Penetration of Rage 2 Blade Expandable?
 

I just got some 100 grain Rage 2 blade expandables. They fly great. I'm kinda wondering how these might work on game larger than deer. Using a 393 grain arrow at 254 fps, would the penetration of these heads be adequate for tougher stuff like elk - or even wild boars? Thanks. Roskoe.

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i have asked a couple people that i know use them, and i want to say, dont quote me that one guy said he was shooting at 264fps and had no problem with them opening up on elk he shot this year, he just got stationed down here from colorado. but i am pretty sure that is what fps he said he was shooting

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i read recently that for moose or elk or bear you need to be close to 65 ft lbs of kinetic energy.

there is a kinetic energy calculator on www.bowhuntinginfo.com that
says a 393 grain arrowat 254 fps = 56.31 ft lbs

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Im not sure, but ive heard these things really tear a hole in em...

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My copy of Dream Season 10 showed up a week or so ago so of course I had to pop it in and watch it the same night. The Drury crew was using the Rage expandables last year and all I can say is "WOW". Those things put some serious holes in an animal, and from what little they showed they leave amazing blood trails. I didn't see a whole lot of pass through shots on the video, but plenty of arrows that were buried up to the fletching.

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Thats interesting, I figure there would be a lot

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Next time through I'll do a count and get the exact numbers, but I would say it was right around 50% pass through shots and the rest were buried to the fletching, most of the time leaving a monsterous exit wound.

Personally, I wasn't really suprised. It still takes quite a bit of energy to push that first inch and a half of "field tip" through the animal, followed by a lot of drag created by those huge blades.

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Oh, when i first read i thought you meant only a few were pass-throughs. Those Rage broadheads really tear a hole in them.A buddy of mine guides in ND and uses them and ive seen the results!

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I have good experience with them. We sold about 100 packages of them this last season and I killed 3x whitetails with them myself in 06'.

First thing I will say is that the blade system loses a lot less energy than traditional mechanicals which directly increases penetration. The exit holes are OK, but the beauty of these heads is the entrance holes. The entrance holes are nothing short of amazing and the blades are razor sharp.

Here is a pic of a deer's heart that I almost completely cut in half with a rage 2 blade. This deer was already shot by my buddy who was hunting about 100 yards away and came bedded down 43 yards away from me quartering away. I put another arrow in him, and with him quartering away at 43 yards I shattered multiple ribs on the close side, got lungs and heart, and exited through the shoulder blade on the opposite side passing completely through and sticking in the dirt on the other side of the animal. Amazing penetration, this was a 70lb switchback XT I was shooting the arrow out of. The entrance hole because the animal was quartering away was almost 6" long. It only went 10 yards from where I shot it.



This next pic is of a doe I shot perfectly broadside at about 20 yards or so. Same deal, complete passthrough HUGE entrance hole, good exit hole, blood trail a blind man could follow for about 50 yards to where she piled up.



I love the heads. The only improvement I would make is now I am using a rocket head rubber band and placing it around the rages blades when closed to prevent them from opening when in the quiver. They open so easily that a slight bumpcould open them when on your bow so this fixes that problem and they still open super super easy. Now you have the benefits of the RM Snyper's blade retention system and the extra cutting diameter of the Rage.

I love these heads and will continue using them for quite some time.

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If the arrow makes it to the other side of the animal and makes 2 holes,even if that arrow doesn't exit I consider it a pass through. IMHO

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I've been looking at these and I'm giving them a try this year.

RJ, Vista/Bhoning has a new quiver out that is specifically made for expandables. I has a door that hinges open and closed and had Whisker Biscuit type fibers in the hood. It works very well, you should check it out.

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I have shot muzzy for yrs and always have a complete pass through if the rage will shoot through every time i would use it , but how tough are they
nothing is tougher than a fixed blade

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Penetration has a lot to do with your set up's overall KE level as well as arrow weight and shot placement. That said I have found through my testing as well as on game that the rage 2 blade heads penetrate very well for theiroverall cutting surface. As to using them on bigger game it comes down to you personal setup. If you are pushing 65 ft/lbs of Ke or better, I think they would work well on bigger game, but keep in mind that as cutting surface increases you penetration will decrease. This means you will have to be aware of shot placement to maximize penetration and the chances of getting a pass through.

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Personally, i bought the Rage last year, because I got caught up in the "hype" but in reality there was no hype. Those heads are awesome. I'll never use another kind (i say that now until something better comes out, im a sucker for broadheads) but i really really like these heads. Shot a doe earlier in the season this year, and i hit her in the shoulder blade. I couldnt find her because she ended up dying in a big puddle, but i found her this spring. I had walked by her within 7 yards. Then I shot my buck with them this year and he ran 45-50 yards and died. complete pass-thru... one lung liver hit but only went that far. so I like them for deer, no experience with other game