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Any golfers out there.....interesting questions?
Buckeye asked why I always tend to relate archery to golf. It was a fair question....and I'm not making light of it.
I do that because it's the only thing "I know" I can relate archery to. I tried to get a buddy introduced to archery (even target shooting).....and I then started to realize how much they ARE similar. In golf.....I practiced a lot.....moreso than I do in shooting my bow. in golf.....we try to achieve a repeated swing. We try to ingrain into our minds.....THE swing. We do this....so that we can make the SAME swing....NO MATTER what the situation before us entails (ex. driving off the tee when you're one shot up on the final hole vs. your first tee shot). The golf swing becomes almost WHOLELY, MENTAL. You've practiced it a million times. Now just go out there.....trust it....and EXECUTE. Does any of this sound familiar? I found this out.....just how familiar this is.....when I was shooting 5-spot....and during 3D shoots. To me....it's amazing the similarities these two endeavors share. Does any of this hit home with you.....even in other sports? |
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I constantly think of archery in a "golf" mindframe, and vice versa.
Both deal with knowing your precise distances. The farther you get from the target, the harder it is to group tightly. The farther from the target, the more time the "flying object" has time to be affected by the elements. I guess you cant shank an arrow, though a really badarrow shotmight be considered a shank. If you suck at golf, then at least you can get drunk while at the course and have fun (This, of course, doesnt apply to archery[8D]). A hole in one=a robin hood. I have had two of both in my lifetime. You can kill an animal with both (Got myself a groundhog with my driver once...perfect shot to the skull) Both can be spectator sports, and both you can feel intense pressure when the competition gets warm. Both are really freaking expensive, though I always spend more money on archery. Both require a lot form and practice, of course, someone always gets lucky. Both have professionals that can teach you something, but, are more often just interested in taking your money and seeing you again next week. And the list goes on and on....:D |
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Can always combine the two and play archery golf. Bob Wesley was very big into it.
http://www.ehow.com/how_11348_play-archery-golf.html |
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When I was speaking of relating the two, I was speaking more of why he relates archery equipment to golf equipment..... Notthe fundamentals of the two games. [/align] |
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Now that sounds like something that would make golf interesting to me. :):):)
The closest I've ever come to a round of golf is watching golfers from my bass boat. I did get a round of applause from one group that watched me land a 9.5 pounder just off a green. Even though I've never golfed, GMMAT, your comparisons make perfect sense to me. |
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Buckeye.....
I wasn't saying what I said to make anyone look bad. I KNOW why you asked.....and it was a fair question. The SAME principle applies to equipment. Golfers AND archers are VERY choosy. VERY opinionated.....and EACH group demands particular things from their setups. Your initial question was NOT unfounded. I didn't mean to imply such. It just got me to thinking about all the similarities in the two. |
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You are speaking of "training" ... repeating actions to obtain a desired effect ...it's that way with everything sport related .... also Police, EMTs, Firemen ..etc..... there is not a closer correlation to bow shooting and golfing that anything else that requires training ..
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Good point, PT. Conceded. |
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Archery is a sport and requires a lot of the same kind of practice, dedication, and committment. The only sport I've ever practiced more at than archery is golf, not football, not basketball(the other two I played a bit). Golf and archeryare much more technicalthan those sports IMO(not talking about play calling oranything like that just the individual physical and mental part). I wouldsay that I seea common ground between archery and golf. I didn't want to comment on the other thread (it was more fun just reading that one) but I knew what you meant. When I was developing into a better golfer I got withthe local proshop and an instructor to help me try to reachthe next level of playing (next level for me). I went tothose guys because they are the experts, there are a million guys on a golf course or driving range that can tell you eveything you are doing wrong and what you need to use as far as equipment but are they themostqualified? No. The guys that are pros and a lot ofthe ones that work in the shops are, and after going and having them analyze eveything and fit me to my new set of clubs(switched froma beginner/intermediate set to some T-Zoid irons)and practicing on thethings they noticed I could improve on I had immediate improvement and continue to improve. I had basically become better than my old set of clubs and the new ones were fitted to me. Theywere an extra inch long and just fit me better, the increased shaft stiffness helped me a lot because of my swing speed,not to mention the fact that having more ofa blade style ironincreased myability to maneuver the golf ball. Now a lot of that I might have eventually learned but they flattened out my learning curve so to speak. I still only play for fun and I am definitely no pro but canshoot in the low 80's consistently and have broke into the 70's on several outings and I don't think I would be doing that without their help. Sorry, I can never keep my replies short.
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When I was developing into a better golfer I got withthe local proshop and an instructor to help me try to reachthe next level of playing (next level for me). I went tothose guys because they are the experts, there are a million guys on a golf course or driving range that can tell you eveything you are doing wrong and what you need to use as far as equipment but are they themostqualified? No. The guys that are pros and a lot ofthe ones that work in the shops are, and after going and having them analyze eveything and fit me to my new set of clubs(switched froma beginner/intermediate set to some T-Zoid irons)and practicing on thethings they noticed I could improve on I had immediate improvement and continue to improve. WOW! This is all I've been saying ALL ALONG (on the other thread). I'm happy you got the improvement you were after. I went from hitting standard clubs to being fitted by a fitting professional (though, at the time, I WAS a "teaching" professional). I switched to 2 deg. upright irons....jacked my lofts on my scoring irons a degree.....increased shaft length by 1/2"......and went up in swingweight .6 on my woods (hey...I DID keep a standard grip!). I went from a .6 to a +2.3 in the following 6 months. Your story is one I've heard 1,000 times. I'm glad you found the right people to seek advice from. |
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ORIGINAL: NEW61375 Archery is a sport and requires a lot of the same kind of practice, dedication, and committment. The only sport I've ever practiced more at than archery is golf, not football, not basketball(the other two I played a bit). Golf and archeryare much more technicalthan those sports IMO(not talking about play calling oranything like that just the individual physical and mental part). I wouldsay that I seea common ground between archery and golf. I didn't want to comment on the other thread (it was more fun just reading that one) but I knew what you meant. When I was developing into a better golfer I got withthe local proshop and an instructor to help me try to reachthe next level of playing (next level for me). I went tothose guys because they are the experts, there are a million guys on a golf course or driving range that can tell you eveything you are doing wrong and what you need to use as far as equipment but are they themostqualified? No. The guys that are pros and a lot ofthe ones that work in the shops are, and after going and having them analyze eveything and fit me to my new set of clubs(switched froma beginner/intermediate set to some T-Zoid irons)and practicing on thethings they noticed I could improve on I had immediate improvement and continue to improve. I had basically become better than my old set of clubs and the new ones were fitted to me. Theywere an extra inch long and just fit me better, the increased shaft stiffness helped me a lot because of my swing speed,not to mention the fact that having more ofa blade style ironincreased myability to maneuver the golf ball. Now a lot of that I might have eventually learned but they flattened out my learning curve so to speak. I still only play for fun and I am definitely no pro but canshoot in the low 80's consistently and have broke into the 70's on several outings and I don't think I would be doing that without their help. Sorry, I can never keep my replies short. Also, when I was about 18 and played golf about 2 days a week I was a scratch golfer with an $80 set of clubs. Although, I think as we get older though we do not have the same abilities as a youngster and therefore need equipment set up just for our body to play well. Istated in another post about golf archery. It's a great way to learn to judge yardages. I love to golf and I love to shoot. |
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I agree, I didn't mean to come across as sayingthose sports or othersare not difficult or don't require practice and dedication. I just felt golf compared more to archery than say football or basketball(to me anyway).I completely understand what you are saying about the $80 golf clubs andbeing a scratch golfer, some people are just naturally better than others and equipment can't change that a whole lot. I didn't take up golf until I was in mymid20's and I see kids regularily that are way better than me. Their swings just look a lot more fluid and natural thanmine.I don't think myclubs necessarily make me a better golfer because I wa****ting my original clubs fairly well too but the new clubsdid add a little bit of distance and a lot more control of the ball and I feellike that helps me agood dealin regards to course management and gives me a few more options. My hunting buddy hates itbecause he shoots all the time and I take time off sometimes and come back like I never missed a beat shooting right with him, but I have put my time in on the range and in the woods in the past and I don't ever allow too much rust to build up.
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I LOVE golf and I LOVE archery...but I cuss a lot less shooting my bow then I do golfing haha
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There is one large distance about golf (atleast high level golf). I am a low handicapper and the ability to work the golf ball is very important when you start to really attack a golf course. Therefore instead of having one repeatable swing I have numerous that let me fade or draw the ball on command (or hit it high and soft or low and hard) I'd say the best comparison is the importance of distance judging.
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Also, when I was about 18 and played golf about 2 days a week I was a scratch golfer with an $80 set of clubs. That's quite incredible. The scratch golfers I've known pretty much touch a club, EVERY day......and I've been associated with my share of them. Kudos. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Also, when I was about 18 and played golf about 2 days a week I was a scratch golfer with an $80 set of clubs. That's quite incredible. The scratch golfers I've known pretty much touch a club, EVERY day......and I've been associated with my share of them. Kudos. I have never seen that either ....dave.. or should I say Tiger ;)... if your not strrrrrretching the truth a little ... you should do that for a living |
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The USGA handicapping system is funny (to outsiders). It kicks out yourhighest 10 of your last 20 scores......and computes your handicap based on the slope/course rating of your lowest 10.
Even still.......to reach "scratch".....is a phenomenal achievement. To add to this.....there's a TON of scratch golfers out there swho aspire that they could (or WANT to) play with the PGA pros. Lanny Wadkins once said that a player needed to be a +6 on his home course to realistically think he might have a chance with the touring pros. This statement was made over 15 yrs ago. I happen to think it might be higher, now. I figured it out, once. If I had been on the PGA Tour in 1992......and I shot even par in EVERY round of EVERY tournament.......I'd have made over $300K. Today.....I wouldn't keep my card. An even par round of golf .....shot on the course set-ups of the TOUR, today......would see a golfer with a HIGH + hcp. These guys ARE good. I shared Asst. Pro duties at Quail Hollow (Home of next month's Wachovia Championship) with the greatest golfer I've ever seen play day in and day out. His name was Craig Rudolph (son of former PGA Tour player, mason Rudolph). Craig died in Rick Hendrix' helicopter crash.....coming home from a NASCAR race. As phenomenal as he was......he played one season and lost his card. If he couldn't make it, out there.....it sure showed ME something. I'm in AWE every time I watch these guys. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Buckeye asked why I always tend to relate archery to golf. It was a fair question....and I'm not making light of it. I do that because it's the only thing "I know" I can relate archery to. I tried to get a buddy introduced to archery (even target shooting).....and I then started to realize how much they ARE similar. In golf.....I practiced a lot.....moreso than I do in shooting my bow. in golf.....we try to achieve a repeated swing. We try to ingrain into our minds.....THE swing. We do this....so that we can make the SAME swing....NO MATTER what the situation before us entails (ex. driving off the tee when you're one shot up on the final hole vs. your first tee shot). The golf swing becomes almost WHOLELY, MENTAL. You've practiced it a million times. Now just go out there.....trust it....and EXECUTE. Does any of this sound familiar? I found this out.....just how familiar this is.....when I was shooting 5-spot....and during 3D shoots. To me....it's amazing the similarities these two endeavors share. Does any of this hit home with you.....even in other sports? Preshot routine, 1 shot at a time, posture, form, limit distractions, don't rush, don't let 1 bad shot ruin your day, etc. |
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I always compare golf and archery as far as what's involved to have a good golf swing in relation tobeing agood archer. The mindset while practicing and developing consistencyis very similar. A good comparison IMO.
These guys ARE good. |
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ORIGINAL: NY Bowhunter I always compare golf and archery as far as what's involved to have a good golf swing in relation tobeing agood archer. The mindset while practicing and developing consistencyis very similar. A good comparison IMO. These guys ARE good. I am a 7 handicap and that is all I have the talent to be. Keeptrying!!! I can tell anyone like a pro archer a pro golfer will help you if you listen and work on what they tell you. I was a 18 handcap 10 years ago, every year I take lessons. I have reached my peak, LOL, but I am still working for a 6.5;) |
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Hey Nice topic..yes I relate Archery to Golf. I guess the discipline to practice and be good is not limited to golf and archery but as someone said, most sports! However there are not 2 sports require the precise range gauging abilities as Golf and Archery. I don't mean the weekend golfer I mean the guy who works on the game at a serious level.Think of the pros..I just heard Mickleson and his caddie talk of a strong 9 iron and add 2 yards (for the wind)to the 12th at Augusta. So he's gonna hit a hard 9 and add 2 yards..from 155+/- he knows how to add 2 yards more into his swing? That is some serious Sh!t. Take my Dad for example good golfer but old school..he'd rather guesstimate the yardage..Me, I have Yardage books marked with lasered distances..and now a Sky Caddie GPS unit..and still pace off to known distances. A few yards makes a difference in golf as in Archery. I can play at scratch a few weeks or a month a year..but usually settle in some where around a 2..(my leagues adjust every week). I'm trying to get to the point where I can stay lower, longer.
Rick James once told me in the internet archery league that most good shots are release within a second or so of each other..this speaks of repetiveness and a pre-shot routine if you will. So yes i see these and many similarities between golf and archery..but I guess it can also boil down to passions...if there's a will and the desire..you can put in the work and see positive results. |
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Keeptrying!!! I still play compeitively and beat up on people at local tournaments [8D]. To be honest with ya I dont' see myself getting as close as I was. I'm allright with that though. I own a small 9 hole golf course. I love every facet of the business. I'm leaning more and more away from playing competitive golf and leaning towards running the golf course, giving lessons, mowing fairways, etc... It's all good. 7 HC? That's pretty dang good. I'll be around a 7 in a few years maybe we can play :D |
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I still play compeitively and beat up on people at local tournaments [8D]. To be honest with ya I dont' see myself getting as close as I was. I'm allright with that though. I own a small 9 hole golf course. I love every facet of the business. I'm leaning more and more away from playing competitive golf and leaning towards running the golf course, giving lessons, mowing fairways, etc... It's all good. I feel the same way you do. I needed to find another passion that consumed me. Hello hunting. |
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ORIGINAL: NY Bowhunter Keeptrying!!! I still play compeitively and beat up on people at local tournaments [8D]. To be honest with ya I dont' see myself getting as close as I was. I'm allright with that though. I own a small 9 hole golf course. I love every facet of the business. I'm leaning more and more away from playing competitive golf and leaning towards running the golf course, giving lessons, mowing fairways, etc... It's all good. 7 HC? That's pretty dang good. I'll be around a 7 in a few years maybe we can play :D What I fond to be amazing is the leap from 18 to 7 was easy, compared from trying to take a 7 to a 5, LOL I had no idea. |
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I think another big thing when comparing golf and archery are targets!! They are both target oriented. Golf is all about hitting your ball to a specific target. Bowhunting is about hitting your target. Both have minimal allowance for misses. Both have the "aim small .... miss small" discipline. Other sports are more reactionary or hand/eye coordination and not as much emphasis on hitting a target.
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Germ...
Once again...you are correct. Those last few hcp strokes are the killers. In baseball.....there's a similar correlation. The actual differences between a 92 and a 93 mph fastball seem easy.....1mph. In reality.....the difference in hitting the two pitches is ENORMOUS. |
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NY.....I was elected to membership in 1994 (August). I've seen my playing days (SERIOUS competition) come and go, too. I qualified and played in my state's Mid-Am, last year. I made the cut....and finished in the middle of the field. I got home....realized how much time I was spending.......and came to the conclusion that I played about as well as I play, now. I've played 4 rounds, since that day. Not interested. I feel the same way you do. I needed to find another passion that consumed me. Hello hunting. **Hey I still have 15 years to practice for the senior tour. Maybe there is hope afterall!!!!!!![8D]:D |
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I have a hard time getting motivated when I practice nowadays. I hit shots that boggle my mind. I have too many "I used to be able to do this or that" thoughts in my head the last few years. Kind of drains your motivation. Not from lack of effort though. Time to pull the plug and move on. Look out deer!!:D |
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I played in college and that was enough to burn me out for a year or 2. The way I see it the difference between a 7 handicap and a 1-2 is short game. (Wow I am getting off topic) Yes most people have one shot shape in their bag but to only be able to fade or draw the ball can leave you in trouble if you play on courses with big trees! (basically 95% of courses in Indiana) That is the difference between archery and golf... golfers have to use creativity!
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ORIGINAL: MossyOak722 I LOVE golf and I LOVE archery...but I cuss a lot less shooting my bow then I do golfing haha How true that is. Plus, I never throw my bow!!! And sometimes I spend more time in the woods for golf. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Also, when I was about 18 and played golf about 2 days a week I was a scratch golfer with an $80 set of clubs. That's quite incredible. The scratch golfers I've known pretty much touch a club, EVERY day......and I've been associated with my share of them. Kudos. Istoped playing for 10 yrs gained 40 lbs and sometimes shoot good half rounds. |
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I go golfing to make fun of old women and drink beer!
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As a med student I play golf as a way to get my name known with all of the local doctors that play. Being a good golfer has opened quite a few doors.
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I have a hard time getting motivated when I practice nowadays. I hit shots that boggle my mind. I have too many "I used to be able to do this or that" thoughts in my head the last few years. Kind of drains your motivation. Not from lack of effort though. Time to pull the plug and move on. Look out deer!!:D |
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Stop it!!!!! I take offense comparing "golf" to bowhunting!!!!!!!!!![:'(]:D:D:D:D:D:D
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While I only played 2 days a week I practiced every day then. |
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