BowPlane
 

Something worth looking into. I'm thinking of ordering one myself.

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The BowPlane uses the latest in laser technology to project a laser line 360 degrees all the way around your bow, creating a visible reference plane to adjust not only your rest, but also your cams and sights at the same time. This patented and patent pending laser technology is soon to emerge in other industries but thanks to DoubleTake Archery, the archery industry will see it first.



The BowPlane is a short 11" setup arrow that nocks on your string just like a normal arrow. When you activate the laser plane, it project a laser line 360 degrees around the inside of your bow--up and down your bowstring, along your cams and/or idler wheels, upper and lower limbs, riser, handle, rest and sight pins. It is complete bow alignment all in one easy step.

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http://www.doubletakearchery.com/bowplane/index.htm

RE: BowPlane
 

Thats pretty neet, I have the EZ laser center shot and its nice.

RE: BowPlane
 

Sounds like the perfect solution to a problem I don't have;).

How did people ever shoot perfect scores before all this stuff came out?

Paul

RE: BowPlane
 

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RE: BowPlane
 

Makes you wonder doesn't?

RE: BowPlane
 

Same way engineers designed bridges before they had a computer to run the math programs for them. They knew how to do it without tools to make it easier.

Should help the average guy be able to better tune his setup without having a PhD in archery.

RE: BowPlane
 

I saw the same thing in my Petersons's Bowhunting Mag. Looks pretty neat but the question is, will it hold up to what it says it will do...[&:]

RE: BowPlane
 

I'm assuming it will work just as well as the EZ Laser that Greg / MO did a review on, only it will be a bit easier to use. It will definitely take a lot of guess work out of things.

The shop I may start working at is thinking of ordering one, they just didn't have the MSRP for it when I was in there last.

RE: BowPlane
 

This will work ALOT better than the ez because it isn't counting on the riser to be square with the centershot path.



The biggest problem I see is it can't be used at full draw.So it is basically useless.;)


Cam adjustments and centershot adjustments have to be made at full draw to be accurate.If done in the static position,you are just as well to eyeball and then tune in the yard actaully shooting.Which has to be done regardless of what method you use.


If this was a full length arrow and you had a shooting machine,it would be the cats meow for getting into ultra fine tuning.Or bow setup.

The lazer that spot Hogg sell works awesome with a shooting machine.I have a friend that uses this combo for tuning and setting up bows for world competition and has even had a few bows that he has setup for shooters thathave set world records.

RE: BowPlane
 

I don't know how I have ever manage to hit a deer, without that item.No, really I guess it might be fun to mess with, then would be put in the closet with the other stuff.

RE: BowPlane
 

Not all people use bows to shoot deer.Some use them to hit spots at very long distances.;)

RE: BowPlane
 

You made a good point about using a full length arrow TFOX, I wonder if perhaps you could make an adapter for it out of an arrow with a larger diameter than the BowPlane?

RE: BowPlane
 

I understand, it was more into the response of all these products that keep coming out year after, just wondering if itis going to help.

RE: BowPlane
 

My take is that it would be a good tool on a three week trip and you drop your bow 100 miles from your tuning bench. You could put the laser on the bow and verify that the rock really was harder than your Loc-Tite'd screws and knocked your rest 1/8" out of whack. You could recenter the rest to the laser and shoot a few practice arrows to be back out hunting that afternoon. If the price isn't out of line, then I may look into them, also.

RE: BowPlane
 

I actually feel a hunting rig needs to be tuned better than a target rig. It is much harder to shoot fixed blade heads accurately than it is to shoot target arrows.

I was under the impression most of the top archers really don't spend that much time tuning a bow. You just don't need a perfectly tuned bow to shoot good target arrows well. It has much more to do with the archer than the equipment.

The only tuning tool I use is a bow square. Everything else gets eyeballed and then I tune it while shooting it.

Cool toy if you could afford it I guess, or if you were setting up several bows a day or something. Not something I would ever need though. And you will still need to have the archer shoot the bow because no two archers shoot the same and the bow needs to be tuned to THEM. That is the whole purpose of tuning a bow.

I just think people obsess way to much about tuning and not enough about shooting well. If they spent half the time shooting arrows that they did messing with adjustments they might shoot better. I have met too many people that have every gadget available and spend tons of time wrenching on their bows yet never spend any time blind bale shooting or doing other exercises to improve their form or shot sequence. And most have poor form and target panic. No amount of tuning will fix that, sorry.

I know when you read some of my posts I seem anti tuning, but I'm not really. It's just like I said above, some worry too much about it. I used to be that way as well.

5 years ago I would have had this thing, but now I just don't see a need for it.

Paul

RE: BowPlane
 

Paul,top archers that are shooting indoor or 3-d may not get too involved in the tuning stuff but archers that are shooting 70 and 90 meters do get a bit more involved.Why do you think they have arrows that get so close in the spine department.Finger shooters especially need this.The better a bow is tuned,the more forgiving it becomes and at those distances,I don't care who you are,you need forgiveness.

RE: BowPlane
 

Here is a quote from a paper by Matt Cleland on shooting the compound for FITA. He is a very accomplished archer and I know him personally. He runs a local Pro Shop and teaches at a local college. I wouldn't call him a friend, but I have talked to him on more than one occasion and he even gave my girlfriend some pointerss while she was getting a lesson after we bought her bow there.

This is what he has to say about tuning. At first I didn't completely agree with him, but the older I get the more I see his point and agree with him.


" Equipment summary[/b]-Tune the bow for the best flight that is possible without putting too much time into it. This tuning should take less than one hour. Once decent arrow flight is achieved take the bow out to 90 or 70 meters and shoot for groups. If the bow shoots vertical groups move the nockset up and down in small amounts until nice round groups are achieved. If the bow shoots horizontal groups move the arrow rest left and right until nice round groups are achieved. Use this procedure to tune the bow then forget about it. Once this is done, focus on the mental game and practice routine. If an archer spends a lot of time worrying about the equipment and tinkering with it, his or her scores will not be what they are capable of. Worrying about equipment will not allow an archer to shoot confident shots. Remember: the one who shoots the most practice arrows usually wins. "

Not saying tuning is not important, just that it is not good to worry too much about it. I have also read similar things from other top archers that have set numerous records in both indoor and outdoor archery. Tuning has it's place, but in the end you can't tune any better than you can shoot;).

And I don't want it to seem like I am arguing with you, because I'm not. You are probably a much better archer than I am and I respect your opinion and knowledge. I am just giving my opinion is all, and why I feel that way.

Here is a link to the rest of Matt's paper is you are interested.

Compound archery for FITA

Paul

RE: BowPlane
 

I agree with most of that,remember my thread on tuning.It all takes about 30 minutes.For an accomplished shooter.


A personcan do alot in an hour,especially with a machine and a laser.



Even with these gadjets,you still need to do as he does,tune for groups.The better the form and the better the bow(a-a and brace),the less you will need to move the rest after some "setup"with some of these tools.