Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
12-09-2002, 12:19 PM
#11
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
NOT to defend him...but I'm not 100% clear on something. Was he CONVICTED of poaching? Or was he convicted of trespassing and spotlighting?
NOT that it makes it OK...but trespassing isn't poaching, nor is spotlighting (epecially if you didn't have a weapon with you).
AGAIN, I am NOT defending him, just want everything to be 100% clear on what he WAS CONVICTED of.
NOT that it makes it OK...but trespassing isn't poaching, nor is spotlighting (epecially if you didn't have a weapon with you).
AGAIN, I am NOT defending him, just want everything to be 100% clear on what he WAS CONVICTED of.
12-09-2002, 12:25 PM
#12
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
If it's the guy in the above article it's pretty clear that he is a convicted poacher.
I just checked the Drury outdoors web site and this is the same David Foret.
Edited by - Charlie P on 12/09/2002 13:29:07
I just checked the Drury outdoors web site and this is the same David Foret.
Edited by - Charlie P on 12/09/2002 13:29:07
12-09-2002, 12:30 PM
#13
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
Correct me if I'm wrong, but both of these guys are in the latest Drury Video.James Troy Williams is this the same guy in their video that goes by the name Troy Williams.This is the other name in Charlie's P. post from Google.com.Silentassassin, not trying to offend you on this, but how come you did not come out with this before if you have known about this.I strongly agree we do not need these type of people representing our industry and not to mention this type of behavior gives the Anti's more ammo to come at us with.
12-09-2002, 12:39 PM
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
Whoa, fellow hunters! I strongly suggest you ease your strings down on this one and recheck your target.
Unless the accusations regarding the named person can be corroborated to be factual, anyone engaging in specific and defaming dialogue about the identified person, or regardless you do not use a name the weight of evidence clearly proves whom you were talking about, you could be held civilly liable for slander. In this matter, Drury Outdoors would also have a civil case.
silent's intentions and opinions may be virtuous, but virtue alone will not float your boat in a civil libel case. Only corroborated proof will. Misinterpretation of facts, exaggeration, hearsay, they said, I suspected, I had a feeling, etc. are shovels that will dig your libel hole deeper.
I believe we all know that most hunters generally use the terms "poacher/poaching" quite loosely. However, there is a huge difference between acts of true poaching in a criminal sense, and one where a hunter mistakenly violates a law, or has a momentary lapse of judgement due to circumstances e.g. shooting a trophy-class buck that walked under your stand, 60 seconds past the legal time.
1. If the person being named was actually cited for "spotlighting," and paid the citation or was charged and convicted in a court of law, what were the circumstances of the violation?
- Was the person simply using artificial light to check the area for presence of deer while having a cased bow or firearm in his vehicle or on his person but did not intend to shoot a deer? Regardless of intent, the person could still be cited and left to defending him/herself in court.
or,
- Did the person actually kill an animal, attempted to kill an animal, or the weight of evidence proves he/she intended to kill an animal, via the illegal use of a spotlight?
2. Is "trespassing," if in fact he did commit trespassing, factual proof that a person was poaching or constantly engages in criminal and/or unethical acts pertaining to hunting violations?
3. "… not sure what else.. is insinuated libel quicksand.
4. Being a suspect in several cases, if in fact he was, is not being charged and convicted of an illegal act.
5. Is having reported the actions of a person to law enforcement, several times, if in fact the person was reported several times, positive proof that the person was guilty of the actions he was accused of?
5. Is a tactic of locating and shooting deer that were pushed onto ridges by floodwater, if in fact that is what the person did/does, an illegal act or a tactic that displeases other hunters?
6. Is the person, in fact, a "notorious poacher?" Or, is that another person's personal belief? If that accusation cannot be proved, anyone making such an accusation about a person is walking on very thin ice above waters filled with cold weather alligators.
7. Accusing "Drury Outdoors" of knowingly employing a confirmed poacher, or a person convicted of other major hunting-related crimes, and intentionally refusing to investigate unconfirmed accusations, is a bomb that has a 60 second fuse lit.
There are millions of public records; good luck in finding the records you will need. Public records are constantly purged and minor incidents are not always stored in computerized archives.
silent, for your sake, I truly hope you can substantiate all that you have accused this person and Drury Outdoors of. Knowing the position of civil liability you may presently be in makes me shudder. You are also putting "HuntingNet" in a precarious position. If you now feel you did not have your brain in the correct gear before you put your mouth in motion, in some cases of libel there is an immediate action one can perform that, sometimes, can nullify or reduce a case of libel. If you feel you are now in need, I would pursue the matter with an attorney.
If this guy is guilty of the acts you say he is, and it can be substantiated, then he should be hung out to dry. If he is not, especially if it proven he is not, you have done him, and Drury Outdoors, a great injustice.
PS: I would not list God as a potential witness in your favor, he rarely (personally) shows up in court cases.
Edited by - c903 on 12/09/2002 13:58:44
Unless the accusations regarding the named person can be corroborated to be factual, anyone engaging in specific and defaming dialogue about the identified person, or regardless you do not use a name the weight of evidence clearly proves whom you were talking about, you could be held civilly liable for slander. In this matter, Drury Outdoors would also have a civil case.
silent's intentions and opinions may be virtuous, but virtue alone will not float your boat in a civil libel case. Only corroborated proof will. Misinterpretation of facts, exaggeration, hearsay, they said, I suspected, I had a feeling, etc. are shovels that will dig your libel hole deeper.
I believe we all know that most hunters generally use the terms "poacher/poaching" quite loosely. However, there is a huge difference between acts of true poaching in a criminal sense, and one where a hunter mistakenly violates a law, or has a momentary lapse of judgement due to circumstances e.g. shooting a trophy-class buck that walked under your stand, 60 seconds past the legal time.
1. If the person being named was actually cited for "spotlighting," and paid the citation or was charged and convicted in a court of law, what were the circumstances of the violation?
- Was the person simply using artificial light to check the area for presence of deer while having a cased bow or firearm in his vehicle or on his person but did not intend to shoot a deer? Regardless of intent, the person could still be cited and left to defending him/herself in court.
or,
- Did the person actually kill an animal, attempted to kill an animal, or the weight of evidence proves he/she intended to kill an animal, via the illegal use of a spotlight?
2. Is "trespassing," if in fact he did commit trespassing, factual proof that a person was poaching or constantly engages in criminal and/or unethical acts pertaining to hunting violations?
3. "… not sure what else.. is insinuated libel quicksand.
4. Being a suspect in several cases, if in fact he was, is not being charged and convicted of an illegal act.
5. Is having reported the actions of a person to law enforcement, several times, if in fact the person was reported several times, positive proof that the person was guilty of the actions he was accused of?
5. Is a tactic of locating and shooting deer that were pushed onto ridges by floodwater, if in fact that is what the person did/does, an illegal act or a tactic that displeases other hunters?
6. Is the person, in fact, a "notorious poacher?" Or, is that another person's personal belief? If that accusation cannot be proved, anyone making such an accusation about a person is walking on very thin ice above waters filled with cold weather alligators.
7. Accusing "Drury Outdoors" of knowingly employing a confirmed poacher, or a person convicted of other major hunting-related crimes, and intentionally refusing to investigate unconfirmed accusations, is a bomb that has a 60 second fuse lit.
There are millions of public records; good luck in finding the records you will need. Public records are constantly purged and minor incidents are not always stored in computerized archives.
silent, for your sake, I truly hope you can substantiate all that you have accused this person and Drury Outdoors of. Knowing the position of civil liability you may presently be in makes me shudder. You are also putting "HuntingNet" in a precarious position. If you now feel you did not have your brain in the correct gear before you put your mouth in motion, in some cases of libel there is an immediate action one can perform that, sometimes, can nullify or reduce a case of libel. If you feel you are now in need, I would pursue the matter with an attorney.
If this guy is guilty of the acts you say he is, and it can be substantiated, then he should be hung out to dry. If he is not, especially if it proven he is not, you have done him, and Drury Outdoors, a great injustice.
PS: I would not list God as a potential witness in your favor, he rarely (personally) shows up in court cases.
Edited by - c903 on 12/09/2002 13:58:44
12-09-2002, 01:01 PM
#18
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Foret, while returning to Illinois to face the November charges, admitted to the Pulaski County States Attorney that he also illegally killed a trophy 10 point deer in Illinois and transported the antlers to Arkansas<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
That says he admitted to illegally taking a deer. I would say that was poaching.
c903,
I wouldn't have even brought it here if I didn't have the @SS to back it up. First of all the claims I made about Foret being convicted are backed up in this article. Second of all if they would like to prove me wrong I have a dear friend that would love to testify to personally being with Mr. Foret on the exploits that I am claiming. I would bet my life on my witness!!!!!!!
Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal."
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Foret, while returning to Illinois to face the November charges, admitted to the Pulaski County States Attorney that he also illegally killed a trophy 10 point deer in Illinois and transported the antlers to Arkansas<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
That says he admitted to illegally taking a deer. I would say that was poaching.
c903,
I wouldn't have even brought it here if I didn't have the @SS to back it up. First of all the claims I made about Foret being convicted are backed up in this article. Second of all if they would like to prove me wrong I have a dear friend that would love to testify to personally being with Mr. Foret on the exploits that I am claiming. I would bet my life on my witness!!!!!!!
Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal."
12-09-2002, 01:08 PM
#19
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
Well, let's see. They were caught with lights in their truck, uncased rifle and shotgun, uncased bow. More than once. They were observed driving through a field, chasing deer. Shots were fired. All observations were done by Il DNR officials. Foret admitted to ILLEGALLY killing a 10 pt in Il, among other things. Antlers were returned to Il. Charges were pled out, and fines levied. Two additional charges were pled guilty to. Maybe he didn't do it? Silent claims to have PERSONAL knowledge of Foret's poaching. That's not hear-say in any court of law. If substantiated, that's admissible. Hopefully the right thing will be done.
Phil.
"Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot."<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
Phil.
"Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot."<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
12-09-2002, 01:16 PM
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
silentassassin...could you do me a favor and take some pics of this guy after you whoop his arse after he learns that you were responsible for him losing his job with Drury and he comes lookin' for you? I hate scab slob pieces of dung like the ones portrayed in the article posted by Charlie P. And now he is a featured member of Drury Outdoors??? And he is the director of West Memphis Parks and Rec Department??? What am I doing wrong? This guy is a complete arse hole loser poacher slob whereas I'm one heckuva nice guy with solid ethics and morals and a decent hunter to boot yet I'm the one stuck working the 40 hour/week job sneaking out early and coming in late just so I can log in a few more minutes here and there in the stand when buttheads like Davey Faaaaaagot are trespassing and poaching monster bucks...Boy I just love his little tip about deer hunting...what a frickin' hypocrite!!! By the way, how much would a guy like this get paid from an outfit like Drury? Salaried, paid per appearance??? Anyone know?