Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
12-11-2002, 10:22 AM
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>aside of [sic] any arguments concerning libel <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
You'll notice, C903, that was entirely the point of my post: to deal with your arguments concerning libel.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I used to tell journalists; [sic] that it was my opinion and experience that many journalists are careless, incompetent, and biased, and that most seemed to have the propensity (sometimes, I believe, intentional,) to screw up and misreport<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
What's the point of this sentence? Are you accusing me of falling into the fraternity of journalists who "are careless, incompentent, and biased?" I would doubt it; you know that would only turn out to be as fallable an argument you're waging against Silent: That Silent accused a man Foret without having absolute, unequivocable proof. (At least you don't think he did.) And without knowing me or my work personally, you can't make that statement.
Or, were you referring to Silent being among the "many journalists?" I don't think anyone here would accuse Silent of being a journalist; rather, most would classify him as a concerned outdoorsman who was trying to ensure a convicted poacher was not representing the industry he loved.
In a court of law, that asinine attempt at a quick retort would be struck from the record because it had no bearing on the issue at hand.
Again, to my earlier point: Just because he didn't bring out all the evidence in his very first post didn't mean it wasn't there, and that The Truth wasn't as indefensible as if he had.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Game Convictions are a matter of public record so anyone here can verify that the information that I am giving you is true<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
I doubt Silent would offer this postscript to his original message if he didn't know that there was a "public record" of his "game convictions," would he?
Discipline -- not desire -- determines destiny.
You'll notice, C903, that was entirely the point of my post: to deal with your arguments concerning libel.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I used to tell journalists; [sic] that it was my opinion and experience that many journalists are careless, incompetent, and biased, and that most seemed to have the propensity (sometimes, I believe, intentional,) to screw up and misreport<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
What's the point of this sentence? Are you accusing me of falling into the fraternity of journalists who "are careless, incompentent, and biased?" I would doubt it; you know that would only turn out to be as fallable an argument you're waging against Silent: That Silent accused a man Foret without having absolute, unequivocable proof. (At least you don't think he did.) And without knowing me or my work personally, you can't make that statement.
Or, were you referring to Silent being among the "many journalists?" I don't think anyone here would accuse Silent of being a journalist; rather, most would classify him as a concerned outdoorsman who was trying to ensure a convicted poacher was not representing the industry he loved.
In a court of law, that asinine attempt at a quick retort would be struck from the record because it had no bearing on the issue at hand.
Again, to my earlier point: Just because he didn't bring out all the evidence in his very first post didn't mean it wasn't there, and that The Truth wasn't as indefensible as if he had.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Game Convictions are a matter of public record so anyone here can verify that the information that I am giving you is true<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
I doubt Silent would offer this postscript to his original message if he didn't know that there was a "public record" of his "game convictions," would he?
Discipline -- not desire -- determines destiny.
12-11-2002, 10:39 AM
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
MQ:
As for silent's statement:
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Game Convictions are a matter of public record so anyone here can verify that the information that I am giving you is true<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
and your theory:
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I doubt Silent would offer this postscript to his original message if he didn't know that there was a "public record" of his "game convictions," would he?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
How do/did you factually conclude by silent's statement alone, he factually knew a public record of Foret's arrest and conviction existed, or still existed, and if so, it was the same Foret?
Most people know that a record of an arrest might exist somewhere.
I repeat, "first rule" of journalism. I do believe you need to take a refresher course on that rule.
Edited by - c903 on 12/11/2002 11:43:27
As for silent's statement:
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Game Convictions are a matter of public record so anyone here can verify that the information that I am giving you is true<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
and your theory:
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I doubt Silent would offer this postscript to his original message if he didn't know that there was a "public record" of his "game convictions," would he?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
How do/did you factually conclude by silent's statement alone, he factually knew a public record of Foret's arrest and conviction existed, or still existed, and if so, it was the same Foret?
Most people know that a record of an arrest might exist somewhere.
I repeat, "first rule" of journalism. I do believe you need to take a refresher course on that rule.
Edited by - c903 on 12/11/2002 11:43:27
12-11-2002, 10:47 AM
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
Ben,I Must have misinterpted this <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>now the next step is to fire off the same type of force to the West Memphis Parks Dept. Why is he employed in that position <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>Sounded to me like you wanted him fired or basically his head on a stick.
12-11-2002, 10:58 AM
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
c903,
I have never seen the courts records of the Charles manson case does that mean that I don't "KNOW" that he was convicted of murder? Rather than spending your time here arguing why not go and find out for yourself whether or not the rest of what I am telling you is true. I could give you the names of some of Foret's partners in crime and the names of some Game Wardens that did a great deal of surveillance on him. As well as the name of the man whose house he use to park at sometimes while he was tresspassing. But I don't think any of that would do any good. You are just here to argue. Is it case of "I don't know so no one else knows either". I will put my money where my mouth is at anytime. If I am doing such a great injustice then let them sue me. Knowing what I know about Foret and his exploits, suing me would be political susicide. Once again let me assure you that the David Foret that works for Drury is the one from West Memphis. If you have doubts the do your research and find out. Until then you will just have to settle for the fact that I what I am telling you is true. If it isn't true why wouldn't the accused come here in person and deny the claims. Probably because if he does I will break out my little book with dates and times who was with him etc. I won't go into anymore detail.
PS....I don't want anyones head in a ringer. I don't want Drury to lose face. I did want to put pressure on them to take a look into my claims. I don't think Foret should lose his job. I just don't want to see someone that I know is a notrious convicted poacher being portrayed as one of our Industry Representatives. The sport means more to me than that. I don't think we as a group can afford to give the anti-hunters that kind of ammunition. I thank those of you that were also appualed by a convicted poacher being portrayed a "Hero" to the sport of hunting.
Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal."
I have never seen the courts records of the Charles manson case does that mean that I don't "KNOW" that he was convicted of murder? Rather than spending your time here arguing why not go and find out for yourself whether or not the rest of what I am telling you is true. I could give you the names of some of Foret's partners in crime and the names of some Game Wardens that did a great deal of surveillance on him. As well as the name of the man whose house he use to park at sometimes while he was tresspassing. But I don't think any of that would do any good. You are just here to argue. Is it case of "I don't know so no one else knows either". I will put my money where my mouth is at anytime. If I am doing such a great injustice then let them sue me. Knowing what I know about Foret and his exploits, suing me would be political susicide. Once again let me assure you that the David Foret that works for Drury is the one from West Memphis. If you have doubts the do your research and find out. Until then you will just have to settle for the fact that I what I am telling you is true. If it isn't true why wouldn't the accused come here in person and deny the claims. Probably because if he does I will break out my little book with dates and times who was with him etc. I won't go into anymore detail.
PS....I don't want anyones head in a ringer. I don't want Drury to lose face. I did want to put pressure on them to take a look into my claims. I don't think Foret should lose his job. I just don't want to see someone that I know is a notrious convicted poacher being portrayed as one of our Industry Representatives. The sport means more to me than that. I don't think we as a group can afford to give the anti-hunters that kind of ammunition. I thank those of you that were also appualed by a convicted poacher being portrayed a "Hero" to the sport of hunting.
Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal."
12-11-2002, 10:59 AM
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
c903,He knew he had been convicted and he knew it was in a public record.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I have personal knowledge of his poaching exploits(I have known him for 15yrs) and have turned him into the game wardens on several occaisions before he ever hooked up with Drury Outdoors. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
He knows it's the same D. Ferot because he knows him.
So, WHAT POINT ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE?
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I have personal knowledge of his poaching exploits(I have known him for 15yrs) and have turned him into the game wardens on several occaisions before he ever hooked up with Drury Outdoors. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
He knows it's the same D. Ferot because he knows him.
So, WHAT POINT ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE?
12-11-2002, 10:59 AM
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
Let's see: A David Foret who is employed by the West Memphis Parks & Recreation Deparment is tapped to represent Drury Outdoors. Silent knows a David Foret employed by the West Memphis Parks & Recreation Department who has been convicted of breaking game laws.
Any libel court would find Silent not guilty, even if this was not the same David Foret!!
The underlying thrust of the libel application is when a person "intentionally causes harm or malice". A case of mixed identity, especially such as this where the person in question worked in a small town holding a solitary position such as this (meaning he's not just labeled "factory worker" or "fast-food attendant" where there could be several person performing that duty) would keep Silent from being punished under the libel category.
If -- and, at this point, that's a huge if -- this was not the same David Foret, Silent was not intentionally attempting to defame this "second" David Foret.
I am familiar with West Memphis since its newspaper employed me to help cover the West Memphis triple murder trials which were committed by three teenagers involved with the Occult. Although lying outside a metropolitan area, it is a small community in itself, and there is only one Parks & Recreation Director.
Refresher course not needed, but thanks anway!
Discipline -- not desire -- determines destiny.
Any libel court would find Silent not guilty, even if this was not the same David Foret!!
The underlying thrust of the libel application is when a person "intentionally causes harm or malice". A case of mixed identity, especially such as this where the person in question worked in a small town holding a solitary position such as this (meaning he's not just labeled "factory worker" or "fast-food attendant" where there could be several person performing that duty) would keep Silent from being punished under the libel category.
If -- and, at this point, that's a huge if -- this was not the same David Foret, Silent was not intentionally attempting to defame this "second" David Foret.
I am familiar with West Memphis since its newspaper employed me to help cover the West Memphis triple murder trials which were committed by three teenagers involved with the Occult. Although lying outside a metropolitan area, it is a small community in itself, and there is only one Parks & Recreation Director.
Refresher course not needed, but thanks anway!
Discipline -- not desire -- determines destiny.
12-11-2002, 11:04 AM
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
Check Mate Charlie P,
In my infinate 2 finger typing flurry it may have sounded this way, as it appears to look as if I want his head on a stick.(after re-reading it) I assure you that answers is all I want and would suffice. As I said I don't have any proof that this is even the same David Foret.I personally dont give a rats butt if the guy continued to work for Drury, I like the Drury Bros. I don't buy the videos for the ethics of them, only for infomation. I may or may not purchase them in the future based on the morals of my beleifs. I do have a slight problem with the use of tax monies paying the salaries of convicted criminals. I also have the same problems with VH1 playing these shows of Jailhouse bands, these are criminals and should not be glorified. Whom ever David Foret is that committed these crimes needs to live, I am aware of that but off tax payers money? As I said, I personally don't care, it is not my tax money,but it is the monies of the taxpayers of AR. I also think he can make a living ,if it is him, digging ditches, we need those guys too. Not to mention, (THIS IS NOT FACT IN ALL STATES) most monies from Hunting Lic. go to "Parks and Recreation" in thier state, a Lic. that he may or may not buy or be allowed to contribute to. Please make note that I am not 100% sure this is the same person, evidence points this way but no proof has been provided ,not by him, Silent or Drury Outdoors. Drury Outdoors removed him from their pages but that alone is not proof.
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In my infinate 2 finger typing flurry it may have sounded this way, as it appears to look as if I want his head on a stick.(after re-reading it) I assure you that answers is all I want and would suffice. As I said I don't have any proof that this is even the same David Foret.I personally dont give a rats butt if the guy continued to work for Drury, I like the Drury Bros. I don't buy the videos for the ethics of them, only for infomation. I may or may not purchase them in the future based on the morals of my beleifs. I do have a slight problem with the use of tax monies paying the salaries of convicted criminals. I also have the same problems with VH1 playing these shows of Jailhouse bands, these are criminals and should not be glorified. Whom ever David Foret is that committed these crimes needs to live, I am aware of that but off tax payers money? As I said, I personally don't care, it is not my tax money,but it is the monies of the taxpayers of AR. I also think he can make a living ,if it is him, digging ditches, we need those guys too. Not to mention, (THIS IS NOT FACT IN ALL STATES) most monies from Hunting Lic. go to "Parks and Recreation" in thier state, a Lic. that he may or may not buy or be allowed to contribute to. Please make note that I am not 100% sure this is the same person, evidence points this way but no proof has been provided ,not by him, Silent or Drury Outdoors. Drury Outdoors removed him from their pages but that alone is not proof.
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12-11-2002, 11:12 AM
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RE: Drury Outdoors is Employing a Poacher
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>How do/did you factually conclude by silent's statement alone, he factually knew a public record of Foret's arrest and conviction existed, or still existed, and if so, it was the same Foret?
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They didn't that's why they went and looked for themselves. Then low and behold there is a David Foret that has the very same convictions that I was claiming. Then low and behold this guy comes from the very same place as the guy that Drury employed. HUMMM. So c903 do you think this is a conspiracy and I planted the story knowing you guys would find it and there is really another David Foret from West Memphis, Arkansas that is trying to frame the David Foret that works for Drury and also happens to come from West Memphis, AR<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> I could give you background info on him if you wanted for example his brothers name, sister's name, the address of the house he grew up in, his current house address, his wife maiden's name, the address of the house his wife grew up in, the make and model of the first pick-up he ever owned, the names of his favorite hunting partners. The name and address of the guy that filmed him in Kansas this year. What exactly would you like me to tell you to prove it's the same guy.
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They didn't that's why they went and looked for themselves. Then low and behold there is a David Foret that has the very same convictions that I was claiming. Then low and behold this guy comes from the very same place as the guy that Drury employed. HUMMM. So c903 do you think this is a conspiracy and I planted the story knowing you guys would find it and there is really another David Foret from West Memphis, Arkansas that is trying to frame the David Foret that works for Drury and also happens to come from West Memphis, AR<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> I could give you background info on him if you wanted for example his brothers name, sister's name, the address of the house he grew up in, his current house address, his wife maiden's name, the address of the house his wife grew up in, the make and model of the first pick-up he ever owned, the names of his favorite hunting partners. The name and address of the guy that filmed him in Kansas this year. What exactly would you like me to tell you to prove it's the same guy.
Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal."