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Hey I have heard some realy bad stories about U S A outfiters, some of what I have heard is not good hunting ethics and close to against the law. has any one heard these same things?

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I am sure there are probably bad outfitters in the USA as well as in Canada. I assume thats where you are from. Always get references before you hunt with any outfitter.

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opps, I ment United States Outfiters

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I've always heard they were top notch.

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Maybe Tom Marinda is the one they Bleached all the other water holes except the one where he was setting, so they could get more advertizing. So I have heard .

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I find it hard to believe that an outfitter (who depends on word of mouth a LOT more than 1 hunting video for business) would sabatoge the rest of the water holes in the area for 1 crummy video. That would be like smashing the windows on all the other cars in the lot so you would only buy the most expensive one.

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Here's what I read. <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>2 guides are indicted for illegal hunt tactics

PHOENIX --- Two professional big-game guides who reportedly used an aircraft to lead elk hunts near Payson were indicted by a federal grand jury after they booked an undercover agent as one of their clients, according to U.S. District Court records.

The five counts, unsealed Wednesday, accuse George Taulman, David C. Holton III and United States Outfitters Inc. of using a Cessna aircraft piloted by Taulman to illegally locate bull elk for customers in 1998.&quot;

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From what I have heard and read these people will do just about anything to get their clients an animal, the sad part is that the clients seem to belive that if they pay money then they accept that what ever the outfitter says is how the law is, even if it is not.

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Charlie P is right, I read that article, it was longer and it is true.
Now, locating elk with a plane does not automaticallly grat you that you will harvest an elk, but it is illegal in AZ and NM to do it, I assume if your an outfitter, I am not sure of how the law is written, but it is the law and they broke it. Just because you know where elk are will not buy you a trophy animal, but I guess it does increase your chances.

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FWIW I met a guy on a hunt in Montana two weeks ago who said his experiences with USO had been positive.

Never trust a bow under 40 (inches).

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Had a friend hunt with U.S.O. and had nothing but praise for them. Depends on the guide and the area.

We had a bad experience with Robson2 Outfitters from Ontario. He took our 609.90 each from eleven guys in our group and another eleven that were to go a week after us. The more I check into the history of this guy the worse it gets. Bad thing is I heard great things from two other people that hunted with them the year before. One of these guys I grew up with and trust completely. Look out for the Outfitter. If you know how to get ahold of them let me know...

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I would guess you could get a rotten apple in any barrel. There really are &quot;Good Cops&quot; and &quot;Bad Cops&quot; and there is no such place as &quot;Never Never Land&quot;. Now, is this George Taulman the guy who's the head cheese in US Outfitter? I don't know the law about the airial scouting, but it would seem that anyone who flew a plane could get written up if he hunted the same or next day in that country. Did he himself do it or did they indict him because he's the CEO or whatever. All I know is that they seem to have a LOT of the prime habitat leased up in a lot of states for a lot of different game. They're high priced but from everything I've heard do have the animals. I think they're a rich mans outfitter... catering to the lazy for the most part, although... I don't think there's a &quot;LAZY&quot; way to hunt elk. You got to go where they are. If they in fact poisoned some waterholes they should throw the book at them. Is this rumor or was it documented and procecuted. Ground water contamination is frowned on any place I know about.

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Hey you can set and talk about how U S O is this or that one the guides dont make enough money to rent a plane two it only takes one rotten apple to spoil the whole barrel, three these people are stealing wildlife from everyone to make a profit. Thats called poching, just like the guy that kills an animal out of season, there is no differance.

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My apologies in advance if this violates forum rules.

Go to the Bowsite, Arizona Conference, and read some threads about USO. There are articles referenced that explain who has been indicted, and on what charges.

JRW

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George Taulman is the heaad of U S Outfitters and is also indicted for flying the plane in the incident above, a real scumsucker.

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Just putting it back to the top

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I don't know the law about the airial scouting, but it would seem that anyone who flew a plane could get written up if he hunted the same or next day in that country.
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According to Arizona Game and Fish, here are the laws regarding the use of aircraft to take wildlife:
A person shall not take or assist in taking wildlife from or with the aid of aircraft.
A personal shall not harass wildlife or assist in harassing wildlife from or with the aid of an aircraft.
A person shall not locate or assist in locating wildlife from or with the aid of an aircraft beginning 48 hours before and during all open big game seasons, except Commision-odered special seasons and seasons for mountain lion.
A person possessing a special big game license tag for a special season or a person assisting such licensee shall not use an aircraft to locate wildlife beginning 48 hours before and during a Commission-ordered special season.

Definitions:
&quot;Aircraft&quot; means any contrivance used for flight in the air or any lighter-than-air contrivance.
&quot;Harass&quot; means to disturb, molest, chase, rally, concentrate, harry, drive, herd, or torment.
&quot;Locate&quot; means any act or activity directed at locating or finding wildlife in a hunt area that does not take or harass wildlife.

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Well AZ... from what you posted I'd say who ever called them &quot;SCUM SUCKERS&quot; hit the nail on the head. AND again, if they put something in waterholes they should really really pay big time so it hurts for years. I don't know if you have to have an outfitters license... but it should be yanked if they do. Maybe that's how they got their reputation for producing... bending/breaking the laws to get the edge. I to wonder why it took so darn long to get this into courts. If you or I did something wrong we'd be in court before we broke camp.

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Davidmil, it probly took so long because the people who investagated probabily wanted to be sure that all the i's were dottited and the t's crossed so these people pay the piper! It kinda makes you wonder why all the responses that talk about good tis U S O is maybe weshould all check the game laws before we go anywhere to hunt with any outfitter, just so you know if they[the outfitter]is within the law!