RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

When a discussion is concluded with "right to my opinion" means that someone has run out of facts. Right now contraception is not economically feasible, but when it is it will be chosen over sharpshooters and over bow hunters in and near cities.

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

LOL Germ, these ar eopen to residents only I believe. MOTOWN says the one he went on was like shooting monkeys in a bbl. Probably shooting to answer your question.:D

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

I disagree. We will not see eye to eye on this Slim, we didn't in the politically correct thread, and we are at it again. Same issues ands stances on both of our sides. You fear losing hunting rights to antis and contraceptives, and I say that the state and taxpayers would rather make money then spend it. There is already a plan that is working, not costing any tax dollars, and bringing billions of dollars to the state and the economy; it is called HUNTING. I am doneposting onthis thread.

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just like the political thread you don't understand or read my remarks.
My remarks state that cities are chosing sharpshooters and contraception over bow hunters.
I do not think that the contraception will take the place of hunting. But ever town that hires
sharpshooters proves that your opinion about "money talks" is just plain wrong.

I guess you could also say that everytime they hire someone to kill deer then someone else has lost the right
to hunt.

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

Before you see this, More days to hunt will be opened, more area will open up with rules like if it's not posted you can bow hunt and limits will go way up.

I right now can shoot how many I want without checking them in first. More and more places are opening up. It's only a matter of time the rest follows. Contraceptives will never be implemented.

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I would like to offer a very good read to all of you. It really will open some of your opinion and eyes. It's called Heart and Blood Living with Deer in America by Richard Nelson. I promise, you will enjoy it.

What some of you are arguing has taken place in areas like Angle Island near Los Angelas and Fire Island I believe NY right? I'm rereading it now. It's truly eye opening through views of the author and hunting living through the eyes of Politics, Anti's, Biologist and Non hunters. If you get a chance, read it.

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

you could be right, but it is going to take an organized movement from a ton of hunters to get this moving in the right direction. There are a bunch of opportunities we just need to take them. We(hunters) need to push on every issue. We should be present to oppose all sharpshooters and be vocal about our stance. If we are not vocal and choose not to get involved then our opportunities will shrink

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

The urban hunt regulations that I am familiar with (Cedar Rapids and Coralville) a hunter has to shoot 10 does before getting an anysex tag. With those restricitions, I'd rather spend the rut hunting somewhere else. Luckily the doe total carries over to the next season (I think).

I have heard that when you start whacking does, they wise up plenty fast and it can be just as challenging of a rural hunt. So I'm leaning towards hunting over shooting.

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

Field, where you live it's that way, where I live, it is not. I want you guys to picture the liberal states, already using sharpshooters AND not extending bag limits and season dates. Now, down the road, hunting as we know it may, and I repeat, may become illegal. Ok, so now you have thousands of peeps that want to hunt from NY,MA, etc. Guess what will happen? The states that allow hunting as we know it now will have rich people buying up land in YOUR state so they can sponsor out of towners that can't hunt in their state.

Dan, it is the private corporations that will be making the money and feeding the state with hunting revenue ...

I know this is a stretch, but do you really think that it can't happen?

Just a thought ...:eek:

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Good preaching Slim! A hearty AMEN to that!:)

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Deer contraception will NEVER be cost effective compared to someone who is willing to pay to do it or do it for free. Yes I said NEVER.

What will happen is these anti idiots will keep getting grants to do their studies, which will keep failing.Then the cost will be brought up and public meetings will be held and the contraceptive pushers will be told to go take a hike. The only places it would hold is in private areas where they get private backing to do it.

What scares me is that they get to do these test areas shootin God knows what into the deer. They could end up sterilizing the whole herd or making them unsafe for consumption. The drugs used could be transfered all through the ecosystem. What happens to an animal who eats a deer just shot with this stuff? What happens to a hunter who eats one of these deer? These are questions I would like to know.

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

why not just give more tags... what the frig... people are dumb....

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If hunting is a plan that is already working, why are deer populations stillrising, why do biologists want more deer taken, and why is contraception even being considered?That would be a nice little box you put yourself in, me boy! ;)

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And when did "cost effective" ever mean "free" or no cost. Another box you you me boy! ;)

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http://www.iowadnr.com/wildlife/pdfs/06deerhunting.pdf

Scroll down to Dale Garner, head IA DNR.

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

Deer populations are rising because of the out-dated mentality of not shooting does! Only recently have the doe only seasons started to produce results. I personally know several Hunters (gun) that will not shoot a doe! The ratios are out of whack in many areas. As for urban and suburban hunting with bows many of the members here feel it is too easy to kill these tame urban deer and don't want to hunt them prefering to drive into rural areas for a more rural hunt. Given a choice I'd rather not hear leafblowers and traffic when i hunt,but if we are unwilling to hunt inthese urban areas other methods must be developed to control the population. Lets do our part and hunt close to home whenever possible.

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That was a long one to read. Anyway these are my thoughts on this issue for what it is worth. First of all, let's note that we are all hunters on this site. This being said we all have a responsibility to protect this amazing tradition. We all need to remember that weare a small percentage of America's population, I believe that percentage is something like 5%. It is our duty as hunters to be aware of issues that could effect our hunting tradition. As times have changed, we do not need to hunt for food anymore. This changes the climate dramatically, when speaking of non-hunters. Many people do not know anything about hunting and therefore have no understanding of how it effects our wildlife population. When you have about 95% of the population not hunting, it is cause for some concern. While the Pittman-Robertson act of 1937, did set down a awesome wildlife restoration and protection act by allotting 11% of arms, ammunition and archery sales and 10% of handgun sales to the restoration, rehabilitation, and improvement of wildlife habitat and management research. Also in 1970 it permitted funds to be used for hunter training and the maintenance of public ranges. Hunters and non-hunters both enjoy the fruits of these monies in our public wildlife areas. I say that hunters are an amazing group, we are the original conservationists! Most non-hunters do not have a clue how we help control healthy habits and populations for the animals we find so fascinating.We as hunters spend a good portion of our lives involved with wildlife management. Again, I say, every chance we get we need to further the education of the 95% of us that do not hunt. Only through education and communication will view points change. I know I personally use every chance I get to educate my female friends about why I hunt, and why it is important! Okay enough ranting, to the topic, I live in Iowa and have researched this topic some as I like to stay abreast of what is happening that could cause problems in the sport I love. I have found nothing that indicates that this is a plausible method of control. I am not staying that in upcoming years as medications become more advanced that this could become something to worry about in the future. From what I have researched the current situation is not suitable for birth control for deer to be a preferred method of population control. It is impractical due to cost and also the fact that every female deer in a location would have to be captured or darted and then re darted in subsequent booster shots to ensure effectiveness of the medications. Due to the extreme cost and personel needed to complete this task, I do not think it would be viable unless in a controlled and small area. I am not saying it could never happen, times change. I am saying that currently it is not viable. I am also saying that we as hunters need to stick together and stay abreast of topics that could alter the tradition of hunting that we all love.

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

I agree, hoytgirl.....and that means in EVERY STATE. We need to worry about what's going on in NJ, MI, etc.., etc..., etc...

Imagine gay marriage going to a vote in the US. Now UNDERSTAND that it's LEGAL in the US. Now imagine how many people DO NOT HUNT.

I'm not afraid.....but I'm DAMNED cautious and I am SURELY not boastful as to what I think our power as a group (didn't someone say 5%) is.

I hope contraceptives for deer never takes hold...................AGAIN.

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

I agree completely with you on that point. Just look at what has happened with gun control and rights in other countries! Now there is an industry with a ton of money backing it up! I know thattopic is a whole new can of worms, but, in comparison, it is similar. One must always watch and be active in what is happening around them, because change will always come knocking at ones door. And, I for one want to be aware of the issues and conditions of any given topic I find interest in.

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

I have responded to this earlier when I read the article.
Write/e-mail to Mr. Dale Garner Wildlife Bureau Chief of Iowa Dept. of Natural Resources. Go to Iowa dnr & you can send them the e-mail.
This is my letter & my opinion & suggesstions. We need others to give them good sound suggestions. I know everyone will not agree but we need to start somewhere. WRITE or E-MAIL If you truly want this to change.

Mr. Garner:
I recently read an article about the idea of birth control injection for our Iowa Whitetail. I am sure our DNR has done it's homework on this . I have been active in the Bowhunting Community for over 50 years now AND the general response from hunters is that 1-Does not work 2-very expensive 3-better alternatives for less $$$$.
EVERYONE "seems" to agree we need to reduce or at least control the growth of our Whitetail population. Persons with the suppossed knowledge of how to do this also agree it is in the control of the "DOE" portion of the herd.
Some of the suggesstions the hunting community feel are better are listed. We all know they will lean toward the hunter but we also know "THEY" are the ones really interested in the well being of the animal they want & love to hunt.

1-HAVE A "DOE" only season. The parks in our states & "In CITY Limit" special hunts do this. It "WORKS".
2-Let Bowhunters take DOES ONLY the last 2 weeks of Sept. with an affordable tag or tags good only until Oct. 1st. Then let them purchase the regular season either sex tags.
3-Give the Gun Hunters an extra day or two-FIRST DAY(or two)OF the season-DOE ONLY.. If you need to, ad the Doe tag to the either sex tag & make it for the FIRST DAY or something similar.
YES, it will increase the season BUT it will increase the DOE HARVEST-that is what is desired.
Hunters ARE the ones who can & will controll your Whitetail if given the encentive to take the Does.

I am sure your staff/Biologists ect. have considered several options but many in the hunting community wonder about the birth control idea.

Illinois seems to have the right idea-their tags consist of 1 either sex & 1 antlerless for a modest $25 resident fee. They may purchase a 2nd identical tag for another $25 with a maximum of 2 Bucks harvested the entire season. After that, they may purchase unlimited ANTLERLESS tags provided there are no specific rules in that particular county. I think this is a modest $10 each.
I am sure there are several better options floating around & you will never satisfy everyone. We have to keep the "What is the best" feasable IDEA to accomplish the "GOAL".
Thank you for your time,
A concerned resident.
John C. Law

Okay fellas-it's time to step up to the plate with your suggesstions.
DNR can always use a little help.

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

they want contraception for the deer how about maybe we need contracteption for the antisto keep there population down :D






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RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

Sending a e-mail to Dale Garner, Wildlife Bureau Chief of Ia. DNR could be a contraceptive for antis. Send em "YOUR" views & suggesstions.

RE: Iowa considers Contraceptive?
 

Sarah:

You wrote --

I used this correlation the other day (gun control....and the anti's plight to have assault weapons banned) and was laughed at. It's a DARNED good assessment.

Thank you.