Respect for animals
 

How many yards do you consider YOUR range when shooting at an animal vs what would you consider out of range and disrespect for the animals, no matter what they are?

YOUR range? Disrespect for the animal?

Bowhunting?

Shotgun?

Rifle?

Crossbow?

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I can't answer that. TOO MANY VARIABLES.

I only bowhunt.....and I practice to 60 yds. So,.....if I KNEW the animal wouldn't move.....and that there was no wind.....I'd shoot at 60 yds. Now....add in variables like wind.....live animal that can move in any direction in a split second.......weather......etc..., etc..., etc... and my effective ydg. goes down with each circumstance. I've never sht at a deer outside 33 yds....and I had no idea it was that far, then (I thought it was 24-28).

Disrespecting the animal is when you have doubts and still shoot.

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That is a very good way of putting it.

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true that.

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I'll take a stab without stating variables.
Bow for me out to 30 yards from a tree stand and 40 from the ground if know distance with good view. Disrespect for the animal range for me? Over 40 yards.
Shotgun, with open sights about 80-90 yards for me, and disrespect for the animal for me, past 100-110 yards with open sights.
Rifle for me, about 250 yards with a scope. I would say disrespect for the animal for me, past 350 yards.
No idea for crossbow.

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Let's take up another point on top of these questions before i get to my final point.

Would it be disrespectful to shoot at an animal that is full out running?
At say YOUR practiced yardages? or is it disrespectful to the animal to shoot it on an all out run?

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Tell you what, when or if I ever master the 3D courses and I get 12 scores for every shot, then I will work on doing the same for a walking animal, then a brisk walk, followed by a jog, and only then will I start to practice the full running shot;)

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Does this have anything to do with Ted Nugent??????:eek:

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And no, I wouldn't shoot at a running animal with my bow. I'm not that good.

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I won't shoot at a running animal with a bow. I may give it a poke if using a shotgun and it is close like 5-10 yards, open opportunity and my shotgun is on.

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The first 2 deer that I shot with a bow were running. I was 12 and 13 when I did it, with a recurve in 1968 & 1969. Back then it was way more common than it is now. I about slept with that bow back then![:-]

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I've taken shots at walking deer with my slug gun and pistol, walking coyotes with my rifle. Moving upland and waterfoul birds...all the time.:D:D:D:D

With my bow however, I will not shoot unless the deer is stopped and I have a good clear shot of the vitals. I have a self imposedyardage limit of 40 +/-but honestly haven't shot at anything past 30yds in a long time. Most of my stands are located in spots whereI don't have any lanes past 30 yds.....makes my decision easy and limits long shot opportunities all together.

Thats just me....

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Why John Deer, why would you think that?
Now that you brought him up, let me inform you about his latest post on shooting running animals. I was going to use this same reference without names and see if anyone was paying attention to him and his ramblings.





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Topic: I DEFIED GRAVITY TODAY

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posted 02-02-2007 12:44 PM
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With a vidcam rolling & an eye witness, I rolled a running coyote at no less than 500yds this morning with a puny .223 60gr softpoint outta my sniper Browning A-bolt. Then when he attempted to raise up, I hit him again! In the glowing TX snow, I glowed even more!! Plus 3 shoats with a single arrow. A fine 8pt whitetail, 8 hogs & a furry yote in 2 days. Say YOWZA!!!

Also in one of his earlier videos he shot a spanish goat at 100 yards and on a dead run. Yes he got the animal, lucky shot. How many shots like these end up in wounded animals for the sake of video? My guess, quite a few.

This is not respecting the animals, this is respecting the almighty $$ for the sake of getting something on video for SOTW.

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I say it really depends on your skill, how you feel at the time, the conditions and how the animal is acting.

Me personally;

Bow I like to limit myself to 25 yards or so. And I am talking about known yardages, not guessing. I might try a 30 or 40 yard shot if the conditions were perfect, I knew the yardage and the deer was very relaxed offering a very high percentage shot angle.

If I'm not sure about the yardage it would have to be 20 and in since that is about the farthest I judge well by eye.

With a shotgun, that would depend on which gun and the weather conditions. If it is windy or raining I won't shoot near as far. With my dedictated slug on a decent day 100-120 yards at this moment because that is where I know my gun is accurate to and I trust it. With my smooth bore probably 70 or 80 yards on a relaxed deer. It is fairly accurate out to 100 but I don't know if I trust it just yet.

With my Inline Muzzle loader I will shoot out to 150 yards. It is sighted in at 130 yards and will shoot point blank (3 inches high to 3 inches low from 25 to 150 yards) out to that distance. I get around 3 inch groups at 150 yards with it.

I don't own a centerfire and they are not legal in my area of Michigan so I don't know. I suppose if I were to hunt up north I would probably get a .243 and limit myself to 200 yards with decent ammo and good shot placement. Providing the gun was accurate enough at that range, which I don't see why it wouldn't be.

P dogs with my 17 HMR about 130-140 yards with V-max ammo on a calm day.

I will not shoot at a running deer regardless of weapon or range. It isn't something I practice so I will not try it in the field.

I agree with the others, if I don't feel 100% I can make the shot I don't pull the trigger.

Paul

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here we go ......

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As far as I feel comfortable.

And do not judge me for taking a 40+ yard shot, if and when I ever do. If I'm comfortable in both my ability to execute the shot and the animal is cooperative, you have absolutely no right to judge me or anyone else.

Ethics, be it shot range or anything else, is a personal matter. No one can tell me how to hunt. You can pat me on the back for a job well done or you can grit your teeth and walk away. The choice is yours. But you better believe that if you try and tell me I'm wrong for how I hunt or why I hunt that way you'll be leaving with my boot up your arse.

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I remembered you saying something about him shooting the goat at 100 yds with his bow in the lastpost abouthim.

So, I'm popping some corn. Anybody else need any?????

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John ....ya had ta mention that ...... okie, I'll take some ... xtra butter please ..

Thanks

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Preach,

I think it was coming whetherI mentioned it or not. But since "I" brought it up,i guess we have totalk about it.;)

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good gawd .......... animals are here for people to EAT

if you hunt, you're a killer. Go out and kill the animals you hunt, take shots you think you can make, enough said

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Maggy - Ted killed a coyote. A varmit. A varmit who's populations have SOARED since ARA's slammed the fur industry a decade back and fur farms brought the prices down. Coyotes that kill chickens, ducks, cats, dogs, little bitty bunny rabbits .......... they're varmits, killing is what they do !

Did it matter he shot one at that range ? NO dead is dead.

Like I said before, when I'm in the woods I'm a killer - I hunt for the hunt, but when it comes down to the shooting, I want to kill my target. I'll take the best shot I can take, when I think I can take it and make it. Sure, I don't want to miss, I dont want a wounded deer, but I'm not going to over-analyze my shots for the sake of a weak, yellow bellied, take your hunting rights awayARA Liberal who aint got a clue what nature is all about, and doesn't understand God put animals here for us to kill and eat.

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John, how 'bout some homemade ice tea with your popcorn? Sweetened or unsweetened? [8D]

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I'm from the south, do they make it any other way than sweet???????:D

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Well, I'm a Preacher ...so non-alcoholic [8D]

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Exactly. If you are confident and know you can make the shot than take it. Now I am not saying a 100 yard shot is ethical (bowhunting), but ranges of people will deffer with their confidence in their equipment and themselves. There is really no right and wrong.

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Your not like any Preacher I know, LOL

Stay down, if you do not move Ted won't shoot

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If it's anything you're not gonna eat, there isNO respectful range.

Refer to signature.

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That statement does not suprise me Germ [8D]

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as a traditional bowhunter who uses no sights, no pins, no sighting method ......... I simply look where I want the arrow to go, and I shoot.

you don't place yards and things like that on instinctive hunting

does a baseball player calculate how many yards vs how fast a runner is etc on throwing out a guy stealing second ? no - he thinks he can make the throw, and he either tries or he doesn't

bowhunters either think they can make the shot, or they don't. I've yet to hear one person say " I knew I was going to miss, shot anyway " - because a $7 carbon and a $12 broadhead is worth something too you know

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Know how to read your animal, know your effective range, know the distance and make a honest judgement on the animal. That is how far you should shoot.It has nothing to do distance. There is no magic number for everyone.

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Iced sasafrass tea it is, mmmmm good.

So, 100 yard running shots on spanish goats is acceptible? How many shots do you think he misses of wounds to get the one running shot on video at 100 yards? Do you really think he is one for one? Surely not.

Sorry, i dont have any problem with people shooting yotes. I dont eat them, I dont shoot them. Thats my opinion on the subject as you have yours. 500 yard running shots are not high percentage shots and its MY opinions shouldnt be taken. Too many woundings.

Hows the popcorn preach? So, do you just follow me around now?

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Yes,you have it with lemon.

I'll just have another beer.

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Maggy, again .... nevermind ..would you like another glass?

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If you don't like my post preach, TURN THE CHANNEL
Quit following me around bitching about it.

The truth hurts, DEAL WITH IT! Pull your head out, ploop. There, get some air and all better now.

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I'm not shooting, are you ? If not, don't worry about it, his shots, his hunting, not yours and not mine. Is it illegal for him to take those shots ?


Have you taken many 500 yard shots ? Do you practice at that range ? Define high percentage ?

BTW if you don't shoot them, you are not being a good steward of wildlife. As the top of the food chain mammal, we've replaced all other predators, and we've grown our deer herds very well, and use to be we managed the predators well too through trapping and varmit hunting. Less and less now do we do that, but its our respoinsibility and its been forgotten to a large degree.

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Another keyboard tough guy the bold lettersadded to the butt puckers I got just reading your little rant.
The philosophy you speak of clearly comes from Your many years of wisdom. [:o]
You really need to Lighten up Francis !

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motrin - when Fred Bear, Howard Hill, Paul Schafer, Ben Pearson, Roger Rotharrand many others killed deerat 30-70 yards and beyond with RECURVE BOWS AND WOODEN ARROWS ......... kinda hard to chap a guy for a 50 yard shot with a compound, aint it ?

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hahahahahahahhahahaha~!

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The only thing I questioned was who pissed in Washington's cheerios.
What ever happened to not writing anything on here that you would not say to their face.
Boot in the arse I doubt it!!!!!!!!!

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For me.....Bow 35 yards, shotgun 200 yard(scoped, rifled barrel high power slugs), rifle....depends on what caliber your shooting, your effective range for a .30-30 is going to be different than the range for a .300 Ultra Mag.

A hundred yards at a running big game animal with a center fire rifle is not a terrible shot in my opinion.I know I have made that shot and seen others make it very successfully. That subject can be debated until the end of time however.

As for 500 yards at a yote........any shot at a yote is a good shot whether it's running skipping or doing summersaults, they are a varmint and in most areas need to be thinned out.