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bowtech die hard 01-31-2007 05:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Germ

I have nothing but love for all my hunting brothers and sisters:)
lmao. I like the smiley!

TJF 01-31-2007 07:10 PM

RE: Do bowhunter really hate other hunter that much?
 

ORIGINAL: Arthur P


I'm glad some are seeing what I was trying to say... believe me I love the bowhunting community and alot are very good people and hunters, it just turns my guts when I read posts about how gun hunters don't have a clue and bowhunting this and bowhunting that...bla..bla..bla

Your right TJF, it does not do us any favors and I might add, shines a bad light on hunting in general.
One thing you guys are missing is the relative YOUTHFULLNESS on this forum. Go look at that poll that ran a week or so back on the age breakdown of the forum's membership. A huge number of these guys are teenagers, probably a lot more of them than there are of us in the over-fifty crowd.

It's great that there are so many young people in bowhunting, and I love it. On the other hand, many of them haven't developed a few things yet. Experience, certainly. An inoffensive way of expressing a conflicting opinion, most definitely. Maturity too, maybe?

Then there are those who recently discovered bowhunting and, for them, nothing else is worth doing. You know how annoying someone who just quit smoking can be? It can be the same for a former gun hunter who has completely fallen in love with bowhunting.

To tell the truth, I think anyone who comes on these forums, takes what is said too seriously, and tries to use it to paint a picture of ALL bowhunters in general, isn't being too darn bright. What kind of view you develop about bowhunting from a forum is very much dependent on the demographics of that particular forum.
Authur

I took an interest in the age poll. While I agree with you... I frequent other hunting sites where the age for most are 40 or better. Just as much bickering if not more over who's way is the best. Maturity can still be questionedwith the older generation too. :eek: :D

I think a lot boils down to flustration. The rifle bashing generally is worst once rifle season starts. Most know once the shells start flying bowhunting will become more difficult. Most know what was a good area to bowhunt before rifle season probably won't be after rifle season. You can see the flustration in their posts. What starts out as flustrationventing post generally turn into bashing.

You will see more slob hunters during rifle season just on account of the large number of people hunting.It is much more visibledue togroup hunting and different methods of hunting verses bowhunting. Bowhunting is a solo and aquiet endeavor. There are still someslobs out there though you. Some fail to realize this though and paint all rifle hunters the same. Sadly it is far from the truth.

Very good post by the way. Us older guys can learn a few things from you.

Tim



NY Harvester 02-01-2007 07:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: RWK

In New York, just mention a crossbow and the NY Bowhunter Assocation see's blood, thats why there not allowed in NY State. These folks are bad news for any hunter.
Very true, and downright ridiculous in my mind. I wouldn't join that organization for that reason. A few guys in my club are members and adamant about no x-bow hunting. Who was it that said "divide and conquer"

Raxxmaster 02-01-2007 08:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: BigJ12

I think (and I know I will get flamed for this) bowhunters as a whole are a bunch of elitist and self absorbed hunters that think their way of hunting is the hardest and therefore are the "best hunters" if you will. And they show alot of animosity to other hunters.

One only needs to look at this very forum andat the replies regarding this sort of comparison (gun hunter vs bow hunter)

Sadly it seems (at least to me) that most who are like this only bowhunt, maybe they pick up a rifle or shotgun during the gun season but haven't hunted with other types of weapons and other types of quary. If they had then they would realize just how wrong thay are about other hunters and their hunting abilities.

There are many here that don't fit into that catagory but there are even more who do.

My .02
and the worse are the traditional shooters, they hate rifle and compounders. traditional shooters seem to be the biggest elitist group. I'm not accusing anyone in particular but as a whole, I know, I (am) wasone.

huntingson 02-01-2007 08:11 AM

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Like seemingly everyone else on here, I have absolutely no problem with any weapon of choice so long as it is legal. However, anyone would have to admit that a rifle is easier to get an animal with than a bow just because of the increased range and lack of necessary movement to make a shot. Likewise, a compound is easier than traditional equipment. I shoot a compound and have no issue about letting a traditional shooter know that I choose a compound because it is easier and gives me more range (and I absolutely suck at instinctive shooting). I don't think a gun hunter should have any issues about admitting the same to any bowhunter. It's not an elitist position, it is a realistic position.

Germ 02-01-2007 08:14 AM

RE: Do bowhunter really hate other hunter that much?
 

ORIGINAL: huntingson

Like seemingly everyone else on here, I have absolutely no problem with any weapon of choice so long as it is legal. However, anyone would have to admit that a rifle is easier to get an animal with than a bow just because of the increased range and lack of necessary movement to make a shot. Likewise, a compound is easier than traditional equipment. I shoot a compound and have no issue about letting a traditional shooter know that I choose a compound because it is easier and gives me more range (and I absolutely suck at instinctive shooting). I don't think a gun hunter should have any issues about admitting the same to any bowhunter. It's not an elitist position, it is a realistic position.
There you go again using common sense, you are sure going to p|ss someone off now[8D]

BobCo19-65 02-01-2007 08:25 AM

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and the worse are the traditional shooters, they hate rifle and compounders. traditional shooters seem to be the biggest elitist group. I'm not accusing anyone in particular but as a whole, I know, I (am) wasone.

Give me a break....[:@]

Raxxmaster 02-01-2007 08:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65


and the worse are the traditional shooters, they hate rifle and compounders. traditional shooters seem to be the biggest elitist group. I'm not accusing anyone in particular but as a whole, I know, I (am) wasone.

Give me a break....[:@]
Bob, I'm sorry the truth hurts as I said, I was (am) a traditional shooter for more years than I can recall. I still play but its not in me anymore. if we visit any traditional board as I do, that is what I see. there is no denying it. if I even mention my Tribute my traditional brothers flame me.

hardcorehunter 02-01-2007 08:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: huntingson

Like seemingly everyone else on here, I have absolutely no problem with any weapon of choice so long as it is legal. However, anyone would have to admit that a rifle is easier to get an animal with than a bow just because of the increased range and lack of necessary movement to make a shot. Likewise, a compound is easier than traditional equipment. I shoot a compound and have no issue about letting a traditional shooter know that I choose a compound because it is easier and gives me more range (and I absolutely suck at instinctive shooting). I don't think a gun hunter should have any issues about admitting the same to any bowhunter. It's not an elitist position, it is a realistic position.
Yep.

huntingson 02-01-2007 08:50 AM

RE: Do bowhunter really hate other hunter that much?
 

ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: huntingson

Like seemingly everyone else on here, I have absolutely no problem with any weapon of choice so long as it is legal. However, anyone would have to admit that a rifle is easier to get an animal with than a bow just because of the increased range and lack of necessary movement to make a shot. Likewise, a compound is easier than traditional equipment. I shoot a compound and have no issue about letting a traditional shooter know that I choose a compound because it is easier and gives me more range (and I absolutely suck at instinctive shooting). I don't think a gun hunter should have any issues about admitting the same to any bowhunter. It's not an elitist position, it is a realistic position.
There you go again using common sense, you are sure going to p|ss someone off now[8D]
LOL. Where common sense is an uncommon virtue. :D

killzonearchery 02-01-2007 08:51 AM

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i dont hate any other hunters,unless they shot a bigger deer then me,just kidding. I like when i see other people hunting.

BobCo19-65 02-01-2007 08:53 AM

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Bob, I'm sorry the truth hurts as I said,
Nahh, it don't hurt as long as it aswarped as was stated.;)

Raxxmaster 02-01-2007 08:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65


Bob, I'm sorry the truth hurts as I said,
Nahh, it don't hurt as long as it aswarped as was stated.;)
okay bob, warped and wrong, i dont want a pissing match, I've said what Ive seen in many circles i've traveled in,but your right you must know exactly what happens in all traditional circles. I'm not proud of it but i've been party to it. I've even witnessed a tradition vs compound agument at a trade show. it all started with a traditionalist boothcalling a compound booth, cripple sticks, it esculated from there. the compounders didn't start it but i guess it didn't happen either right. again, I didn't accuse anyone but have seen it as a whole. it's not right, just apparant.

BobCo19-65 02-01-2007 09:05 AM

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I believe you are correct, you have seen what you have seen, and I have seen what I have, so let's not get real general then and give a bad rap or make accusationssuch as the"worst" to any one particular group. ;)

FWIW, accuastions like that cause more problems then solutions.

Raxxmaster 02-01-2007 09:08 AM

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agreed bob, like I said, my heart is in my recurve but the tribute puts my venny on my table. ;)

GR8atta2d 02-01-2007 10:06 AM

RE: Do bowhunter really hate other hunter that much?
 

ORIGINAL: huntingson

Like seemingly everyone else on here, I have absolutely no problem with any weapon of choice so long as it is legal. However, anyone would have to admit that a rifle is easier to get an animal with than a bow just because of the increased range and lack of necessary movement to make a shot. should have any issues about admitting the same to any bowhunter. It's not an elitist position, it is a realistic position.
And hence where the aforementioned attitude comes from.

What about the normal pattern of a deer in bow-season vs the 1 million hunters that hit the woods opening day of gun season? Do you think the gun hunter can just climb up in his everyday treestand and see deer?

The bow hunter is not superior. The average guy hunts the same area, maybe the same stand an entire season. He feels superior why? cuz he sees an unalarmed deer going through there normal routine?

Kid yourself all you want..you are not looking at this with an open mind..this is why many, even among our own ranks, think we are self righteous horn tooters.

It's not apples to apples..that deer you see 300 times in 46 sittings is not coming through on opening day of gun season to nibble on the lush grasses. It is in survival mode.

The rifle hunter to be successful needs to know where alarmed deer are going..not just pattren it, day in and day out..

I hunt gun and bow..and I agree as someone said earlier..the gun is more of a family thing and the bow is more of an individual thing. I prefer Bow Hunting. That's me..I'm not better than say Jim Shockey ..just because I do, and I'm also not better than Joe down the street.

Next time you think Gun hunting is so easy..go down to the regional forums and mention to a guy in PA how easy it is with a gun.. That will be a 40 page post!

Germ 02-01-2007 10:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d


ORIGINAL: huntingson

Like seemingly everyone else on here, I have absolutely no problem with any weapon of choice so long as it is legal. However, anyone would have to admit that a rifle is easier to get an animal with than a bow just because of the increased range and lack of necessary movement to make a shot. should have any issues about admitting the same to any bowhunter. It's not an elitist position, it is a realistic position.
And hence where the aforementioned attitude comes from.

What about the normal pattern of a deer in bow-season vs the 1 million hunters that hit the woods opening day of gun season? Do you think the gun hunter can just climb up in his everyday treestand and see deer?

The bow hunter is not superior. The average guy hunts the same area, maybe the same stand an entire season. He feels superior why? cuz he sees an unalarmed deer going through there normal routine?

Kid yourself all you want..you are not looking at this with an open mind..this is why many, even among our own ranks, think we are self righteous horn tooters.

It's not apples to apples..that deer you see 300 times in 46 sittings is not coming through on opening day of gun season to nibble on the lush grasses. It is in survival mode.

The rifle hunter to be successful needs to know where alarmed deer are going..not just pattren it, day in and day out..

I hunt gun and bow..and I agree as someone said earlier..the gun is more of a family thing and the bow is more of an individual thing. I prefer Bow Hunting. That's me..I'm not better than say Jim Shockey ..just because I do, and I'm also not better than Joe down the street.

Next time you think Gun hunting is so easy..go down to the regional forums and mention to a guy in PA how easy it is with a gun.. That will be a 40 page post!
He did not say it was easy, he said it was easier to kill a deer with a gun. Think about what he said, and not read into it he is correct.

Now you made some great points about the what is different between the season, I think he was just talking about killing.



GR8atta2d 02-01-2007 10:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: Germ


He did not say it was easy, he said it was easier to kill a deer with a gun. Think about what he said, and not read into it he is correct.

Now you made some great points about the what is different between the season, I think he was just talking about killing.

Killing?? It's easier with a car..but if they are not jumping in front of you on the road you can't run them down.

Germ 02-01-2007 11:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d


ORIGINAL: Germ


He did not say it was easy, he said it was easier to kill a deer with a gun. Think about what he said, and not read into it he is correct.

Now you made some great points about the what is different between the season, I think he was just talking about killing.

Killing?? It's easier with a car..but if they are not jumping in front of you on the road you can't run them down.
Not in Ohio;)

I see your point, but if welook at numbers. Why are their more gun hunters? Why more compounders then trad?

I do not think he was saying it "was easy", one form of hunting is easier then others.
IMO stalking with a Shot gun is harder then shooting a deer with a bow from a tree stand.

The common trend here is to read to much into what is written. I am as gulity as the next guy:D


GMMAT 02-01-2007 11:40 AM

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He did not say it was easy, he said it was easier to kill a deer with a gun. Think about what he said, and not read into it he is correct.
And gun hunters are a defensive bunch, too!:D

This one's about halfway to hell......

Rob/PA Bowyer 02-01-2007 11:47 AM

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Personally I think this is a useless thread showing diversity in our ranks, shame on some of you.

Arthur P 02-01-2007 11:48 AM

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This one's about halfway to hell......
I could take it all the rest of the way there soooo easy... but, since I'm a traditionalist and there wouldn't be any challenge to it..... I'll leave it to one of you compounders to finish it off.



BigJ71 02-01-2007 03:42 PM

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Again, this is just what I was saying, to make a blanket statement that "gun hunting is easier than bow hunting" is simply not true. Now before anyone throws a hissy I will admit that an average joe blow with a sluggun and a 60 yard shot is easy and there is a lot of that happening during the gun season,butthat's NOT what I'm talking about.

What about a 300yd rifle shot? think it's easy....think again. Having done both I would rather take a 40yd bow shot than that any day! How about a 40yd off hand shot with an iron sighted 4 5/8 barrel six gun? Think thats easy?....Think again! Having done both I can very much tell you that the pistol shot is WAY more difficult.

Thank you (some of you)for verifying my thoughts about this subject. NowI can add, that I feelbowhunters (for the most part)are narrow minded too.[:@]

mnhunter_32 03-02-2007 09:27 PM

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I don't care what you hunt with or who you are just as long as you do it responsible and ethically

aeroslinger 03-02-2007 10:21 PM

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I don't "hate" any other hunters, no matter their choice of weapons or gear, as long as they are abiding by the laws. What I do have a problem with is people who go to forums, register with an alias name and make odd posts that make you wonder what their agenda is.

Cougar Mag 03-02-2007 11:27 PM

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hank you (some of you) for verifying my thoughts about this subject. Now I can add, that I feel bowhunters (for the most part) are narrow minded too.
I've read all of these posts and cannot come to the same conclusion. Its clear your mind was made up after post 1.

If I were strictly a gun hunter I would be lobbying for a longer season. If I wanted to hunt with a crossbow and my state didn't allow it I would be lobbying for a crossbow season, likewise the season to be included into the archery season. Its all about individual agendas and where each hunter stands, not about bowhunters only. We as hunters now enjoy more liberal bag limits on deer and longer seasons then ever and it still seems thats not enough for some. Then a thread like this comes along..........makes me wonder who its really about?

PreacherTony 03-03-2007 06:56 AM

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I agree with Coug ... I think there is not a point to this post

I am wondering why it was brought back from over a month ago????[:'(]

Phil from Maine 03-03-2007 07:09 AM

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I don't "hate" any other hunters, no matter their choice of weapons or gear, as long as they are abiding by the laws. What I do have a problem with is people who go to forums, register with an alias name and make odd posts that make you wonder what their agenda is.
Ditto! I have to agree! As long as they hunt regardless of choice they are welcomed with me.

Northwind~ 03-03-2007 09:56 AM

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I think we gotta just accept what weapon other people hunt with, and not say anything more about it. Bickering over what is easier or harder, even if itisgenerally true in your eyes, gets us nowhere and just stirs the pot and allows the division to continue. The same goes for scoffing at one group of hunters for allegedlyinstigating most of the bickering, even if you feel it is true. Bickering about bickering? I hope I'm not doing the same thing lol.Making generalizations will offend many and cause more problems.Some gun hunters think bowhunting is unethical because it produces too many wounded animals, some bowhunters think gun hunting is too easy, some traditional bowhunters think compound bows are too easy or ruin archery, some compound bowhunters think traditional bowhunters produce too many wounded animals and don't take them seriously, some bowhunters despise crossbows, some traditional muzzleloader hunters think inlines undermine muzzleloading. Those are just a fraction of the conflicts there are. It really p|$$es me off. This is exactly what the anti hunters want us to do.I love hunting and will do it every chance I get, no matter what the weapon. We are all hunters, all out there because we love the outdoors and the experience, and we all have a commonenemy that wants us gone. Can't we all just get along? ;)

early in 03-03-2007 10:12 AM

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This is a rather selfdestructive thread for sure.[:@] There are many weapons and techniques we use to persue our quarry, some I agree with and some I don't, but we share a common intrest and we need to respect others as long as they abide by the laws-fair chase.:)
I also want to say that I think "bowhunters" are the most well informed, intelligent, openminded, curtious, considerate, loving, friendly and easy going group of individuals that walk the face of this earth.;):D:D:D

PreacherTony 03-03-2007 10:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: early in

This is a rather selfdestructive thread for sure.[:@] There are many weapons and techniques we use to persue our quarry, some I agree with and some I don't, but we share a common intrest and we need to respect others as long as they abide by the laws-fair chase.:)
I also want to say that I think "bowhunters" are the most well informed, intelligent, openminded, curtious, considerate, loving, friendly and easy going group of individuals that walk the face of this earth.;):D:D:D
LMBO .... great post Jeff!!! :D

Hiawatha 03-03-2007 10:46 AM

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I find rifle and archery both challenging. For me shooting an elk/deer at 30 yards with a bw is just as difficult as cracking it at 300 with the rifle. Both require alot of practice and composure. As for stragtegy it is about the same in my area because bow hunters are given the advantage in seasons here. We start hunting elk and deer with the bow in august when the elk and bucks are dumber than a sack of hammers. Biggest deer i see all year are last week in Aug wandering around in a field with full vevlet. I have hunted rifle elk when i was a kid and only connected once. I have been 100% my last 5 years with the bow. We are able to hunt them while they are dumb dumb dumb. Once the rut hits they get spooked up and go heavily nocturnal so rifle hunting is actually more difficult. We get 3 weeks of bow elk, 2 weeks of rifle and bulls only. Archery moose runs right in the rut, rifle is a week later. I really can't decide which is better so i do both lol.

heeze gutshot shortee 03-03-2007 05:13 PM

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chaivsnichol...all Godz chillin got ta eat and sit at da same tablecome judgement

vaclav 03-03-2007 05:22 PM

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i have nothing against other types of hunters, most hunters probably do both bow and gun


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