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RE: Politically correct bowhunters
the question in your original post was should we be PC and worry about the antis. And once again you offer your opinion on what non-hunters and states think and do without offering facts. You started the thread about hunters providing all the money and that bowhunting will not be banned. Many members have responded with posts that show FACTS about how types of hunting was banned or not allowed.
here is a company cities and states hire to KILL deer that bowhunters could have had the chance to kill. White Buffalo Inc. Funny part is that Iowa is one of their projects. Maybe if bowhunting was more clean and efficient then the city officials would have allowed bowhunting instead? Here is the price list of what those cities across the US are paying. Bald Head Island NC pays a sharpshooter service $300 per deer. The island plans on removing(killing) 100 deer this year. That is $30000 dollars for a very small community. So your opinion about the nonhunting community speaking with their wallets is wrong. |
RE: Politically correct bowhunters
ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter All states use hunting as the only viableand practical method to keepanimal populations in check and disease free. This method also brings a great revenue to the states. Opponenets of hunting have offered birth control as a method of controlling animal pops. This method is expensive and instead of bringing revenue to the states, it costs them money. You can talk emotions all you want. IMO the nonhunting public goes with their wallet and what the wildlife biologist at state level recommend. Hunting is not going to be banned, and this is my point of this thread. I do not go out of my way to smear blood on an animal for a pic and this accusation is rediculous. Sometimes we as hunters, gut an animal and then go back to the truck for our camera. If some blood is showing, I am not going to be embarrassed of the pic or simply avoid taking the pic because there is blood on the animal. |
RE: Politically correct bowhunters
Sounds like bowhunters need to go after the business and make their services known. Looks like better marketing by the business or apathy by the bowhunting public and I would go with apathy as the main reason or lack of bowhunters in the area.We had bowhunter apathy in the city of Ames here recently this fall. The city offered a city park hunt and there wern't enough hunters interested and poor turnout. I wasn't interested as I am busy and when I do have time to hunt, I like my own places to hunt. Besides, I already had a pocketful of doe tags, why shoot more?
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RE: Politically correct bowhunters
ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter Sounds like bowhunters need to go after the business and make their services known. Looks like better marketing by the business or apathy by the bowhunting public and I would go with apathy as the main reason or lack of bowhunters in the area.We had bowhunter apathy in the city of Ames here recently this fall. The city offered a city park hunt and there wern't enough hunters interested and poor turnout. I wasn't interested as I am busy and when I do have time to hunt, I like my own places to hunt. Besides, I already had a pocketful of doe tags, why shoot more? |
RE: Politically correct bowhunters
fletch, doves are portrayed in the bible as a bird of peace, people feed them at their feeders in town, and the state would not benefit financially from opening up a dove season. These are probably the reasons behind the decision. Iowa doesn't need a mourning dove hunting season (Globe Gazette Editorial) Let’s stop this one dead in its tracks — or in flight, if you will. Comes word from the Humane Society of the United States about renewed concern over a possible mourning dove hunting season in Iowa. Our insiders in Des Moines tell us they haven’t heard of such talk. But the Humane Society says Gov. Chet Culver has signaled his support for dove hunting. “There is a real threat that Iowa legislators will try once again to pass a dove hunting bill this year,” the Humane Society wrote in a letter to the Globe Gazette. Mourning Dove Facts To Consider * Mourning doves are not endangered. In fact, there are approximately 500 million doves in the United States. Each pair of adult doves produces six to eight young per year; therefore, the total dove population fluctuates little from year to year, whether they are hunted in a particular state or not. * The normal life expectancy of a mourning dove is approximately one year. Most mourning doves that migrate south for the winter never live to return the next spring because they die of natural causes (although people mistakenly think the same doves are at their backyard bird feeder year after year). * License fees paid by dove hunters are used for the conservation and protection of the environment in which all wildlife in the state lives. * Mourning doves are an annually renewable natural resource. * Mourning doves are the most popular game bird in North America. Minnesota's population of doves is between 10-12 million birds. * The natural mortality rate of doves is about 55 to 60 percent each year, whether hunted or not. For juvenile birds, natural mortality may be as high as 75 percent. * Mourning dove seasons are backed by sound biological data. Professional wildlife biologists throughout the country collect this data and continually do research on mourning doves as well as many other wildlife species. * Research has shown that there is little movement between rural and urban mourning dove populations. Hunting has little impact on the number of birds in urban and suburban areas where people enjoy watching them at bird feeders. |
RE: Politically correct bowhunters
I'm not PC and never will be.
I actually had some screwball in Ohio trying to browbeat me over a 3-D target I had tied to my roof. I had to first explain to the dipsheit that deer season was still months away, and then point out that the chunk of foam on my roof didn't mind getting shot one bit... :D |
RE: Politically correct bowhunters
Your info is correct on dove facts and I would love to have a dove season for the guys that want to hunt them. We provide some great shooting for MN and MO.I just don't get active in pursuing it ,as most of us don't, because we are busy and lazy and don't write our legislature. Hell, Ihaven'teven bird hunted in years; too busy working, family stuff, orpursuing whitetails.How much extra $$ it would bring to the state is any bodies guess. I do know tons of hunters and non huntersthat like to see them at their feeders and yes, the dove is spoken of in the bible as a sign of peace. We have never lost our right to dove hunt.
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RE: Politically correct bowhunters
ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter Your info is correct on dove facts and I would love to have a dove season. We provide some great shooting for MN and MO.I just don't get active in pursuing it ,as most of us don't, because we are busy and lazy and don't write our legislature. Hell, Ihaven'teven bird hunted in years; too busy working, family stuff, orpursuing whitetails.How much extra $$ it would bring to the state is any bodies guess. I do know tons of hunters and non huntersthat like to see them at their feeders and yes, the dove is spoken of in the bible as a sign of peace. We have never lost our right to dove hunt. I hope and pray you are right[:o] |
RE: Politically correct bowhunters
Dove hunting failed in WI a couple times I believe. One of those times it even past and just before season was to open they closed the season to revisit the issues. We have now had dove hunting for the last 2or 3 years. Just because it has failed once doesn't mean the issue can't be revisited. Dove hunting is not what many would calla traditional game bird that is why it fails.
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RE: Politically correct bowhunters
HCH, Im no dove hunter, never tried it and really dont have any urge to.The first time the bill failed I did write letters and email them.The second time around I was under the impression it was going to get passed and didnt get involved.Never in my wildest dreams did I see the veto coming.On the bright side I think in that artical it mentioned Culvers in favor of a dove season, there could still be a chance for those that wish to hunt them to do so if they make another push for it.
I watch them at my feeders and like having them around but then I enjoy watching deer in the off season as well, come Oct 1st though Im hunting them.Not having much experience with dove hunting I have no idea the $$ amount it could generate.Without a seperate fee for it Im not sure it would be all that much, most people that would hunt them are already buying a hunting license for one season or another.I dont see it drawing a lot of out of staters since most other states have a dove season in place. Deer and pheasants are a billion dollar a year businuess in this state, I cant see any immediate threat to those seasons.They play a big role in many small Iowa towns economies.Im not PC, hell, I hang deer in the tree in my backyard and butcher them there right in the middle of town.But Im not willing to totally discount the power the antis have either.Hunters are to divided to combat them effectively.If they attack a season that doesnt directly affect an individual hunter odds are they wont get involved and will leave thier fellow hunters out to dry.Thats why they have so much luck picking out less popular sports and having them outlawed.Trapping, mountain lion hunting, spring bear seasons, different forms of hound hunting etc...Not a lotta guys do them and the ones that do dont get much backing.But every time they convince a population to outlaw something it makes it easier to justify voting against the next thing that comes to the ballot.If hunters would pull together a little better and support each other more, and become involved, antis could very well become a non issue, but I cant see it happening anytime soon. |
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