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Germ 01-28-2007 08:12 PM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 

ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter

Come on Germ, scouting? What do you want us to discuss, Nugent?[8D]
I think nuge wears ScentLok;)

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archer58 01-28-2007 08:23 PM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 

ORIGINAL: atlasman


ORIGINAL: Germ

Compared to the Atlas test;)
You go Atlas:D


I really hope he does have something new. I have heard for some time now that it was coming. I would be more then interested to read a qualified, reputable, peer reviewed, published journal article on the subject.
Atlas,
I'm think what you are expecting is a research paper done by some lab just because they descided to check on scent-Lok products.
The second link I provided you was independent lab study. Yes, Scent-Lok paid the bill. I don't think I want to ..do you? Who else would ask for research on a product of this nature, but the manufacturer, to check their own findings. Consumer groups don't bother w/ hunting related products.so you won't find it in Consumer Reports.

As far as peer reviews are concerned, I believe you will trust only yourself. I'm sure you've read reviews both pro and con , and you choose to believe the con. That's o.k. I don't believe allthe reviews I read either.

What I will attempt to provide are findings by a lab other than Scent-Lok's own lab. Does it matter who paid for it? I understand your skepticism if you do.

Having said that , if no research or lab tests exist I WILL ADMIT TO IT.
You can be assured of that.

One more thing. Of all the "PROS" out there that use Scent-Lok and those that don't , why did you choose to believe what Michael Corrigan said?
There are more pros that use the stuff and pay for it themselves than I care to mention.

Again, I'll keep u posted on my findings.



Fieldmouse 01-28-2007 08:39 PM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 
I'm one to believe the would help, however as I stated before proper washing works for me everytime regardless whether I clothsline them or dry them in the dryer. Phsycological I would rather clothsline them but I've never noticed a difference.

atlasman 01-28-2007 11:51 PM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 

ORIGINAL: archer58

Atlas,
I'm think what you are expecting is a research paper done by some lab just because they descided to check on scent-Lok products.
I would never expect that.........because I know it doesn't exist.


The second link I provided you was independent lab study. Yes, Scent-Lok paid the bill. I don't think I want to ..do you?
The inherent bias involved with paying a company to do your testing......and dictating how the test is performed negates any value from the resultant data. It was also not a "study". It was a "test" that was dictated by the company that paid the bill and no details of methods were even given. The document has handwriting on it for cryin' out loud.


As far as peer reviews are concerned, I believe you will trust only yourself. I'm sure you've read reviews both pro and con , and you choose to believe the con. That's o.k. I don't believe allthe reviews I read either.
I don't think you understand what I mean by peer review. It has nothing to do with hunters. It is a way for research to be examined by qualified people in the field to keep poor data from ever being published. You submit your study for peer review and it is sent out to various reviewers for critique........then corrections can be made by the authors or certain points clarified. This can go back and forth for quite some time and often the study never gets published. Basically it is a way to keep the integrity of publsihed data as high as possible........so misinformation does not creep into what are considered to be references of scientific facts. Last month I was part of a team that reviewed a study that has been trying to get published in JAMA for what seems like forever..........and there were still problems. Getting published is not an easy task.



Does it matter who paid for it?
Yes


One more thing. Of all the "PROS" out there that use Scent-Lok and those that don't , why did you choose to believe what Michael Corrigan said?
I don't believe him.........or not believe others. That is the beauty of science. It is just right and wrong. You don't need faith or belief in gravity, convection, osmosis, conduction, force, inertia, friction, or any other law of science..........they just are. Carbon is no exception.


There are more pros that use the stuff and pay for it themselves than I care to mention.
Who wears the stuff is really of no concern to me when trying to evaluate the science of the suits. I don't think shaping your opinion based on what some hunting "pro" is wearing is a very good way to go.


Again, I'll keep u posted on my findings.
Thanks

atlasman 01-28-2007 11:53 PM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 

ORIGINAL: Germ

I think nuge wears ScentLok;)

I know he talks about something he sprays on his "Rock and Roll" ponytail.

peakrut 01-29-2007 02:06 AM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 
All about $$
Does gum o flage work?

fshafly2 01-29-2007 04:15 AM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 
How bloodhounds and other dogs trail humansviashed skin cells is pretty well documented. It's not a great leap of faith to think that deer have the same ability, since deer and dogs share an evolutionary line of development. (It's not too uncommon to find a whitetail with vestigial canine teeth). Carbon suits do nothing for shed skin cells, so theMythBusters results are not surprising- see my thread http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1650095&mpage=1&key=&#165009 5

-fsh

Crazystups 01-29-2007 04:57 AM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 
I can't stand the Myth Busters Show. Those guys are full of it. Did you all see the show there they said it was impossiable to Robin Hood an arrow. They said it can't be done. Well I'm sure a number of us have the proof for them!

kevin1 01-29-2007 05:16 AM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 
If they have done an episode on scent suppressive clothing then I'm gratified to know that they actually read the e-mails sent to their website, I'm one of the people who suggested it to them.

Germ 01-29-2007 05:43 AM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 

ORIGINAL: atlasman


ORIGINAL: Germ

I think nuge wears ScentLok;)

I know he talks about something he sprays on his "Rock and Roll" ponytail.
That is his no-scent moose:D

GMMAT 01-29-2007 06:27 AM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 
I own one scent-Lok garment I bought on sale.....but these threads always make me laugh and ask....

WHY DOES WHAT SOMEONE ELSE WEARS BOTHER SOME PEOPLE?????

I can also tell you.....if Robinson Outdoors wanted tooutfit me every year.....I'd let 'em. Would you?

bowhuntinoh 01-29-2007 08:26 AM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 
i like freeeeeeeeeee

bowtech die hard 01-29-2007 08:27 AM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 

ORIGINAL: Buck_Slayer

Did they have on their rubber boots :eek:.

Just kiddin. I am sure some of the guys that hunt could set ya up with a better scent control than the mythbusters. There are so many variables that people throw into the equation when considering scent elimination.
very very true

GRIZZLYMAN 01-29-2007 11:14 AM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 
I think it was last week that American Archer had the entire show about scent control, and of course, it was all Scent-Lok people talking about it. It was no better than an informercial for Scent-Lok (which is what a lot of bowhunting shows are, unfortunately). It was basically a "if you don't wear Scent-Lok, you aren't a good hunter" type presentation. I won't watch that show anymore because that was the most blatant sell out I have ever seen.

Primitive Weapon 01-29-2007 11:18 AM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 
One thing to keep in mind. "Blood hounds" are trained to pick up human scent. Deer are not. No "scent control" clothing will completely, 100% eliminate human scent. Any hole in the clothing, arms, legs, neck, waistline, etc will allow human scent to escape. Then you have to deal with the head area and breath.

My feeling is this, scent control clothing does a better job than no scent control clothing.

hardcorehunter 01-29-2007 11:33 AM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 

ORIGINAL: GRIZZLYMAN

I think it was last week that American Archer had the entire show about scent control, and of course, it was all Scent-Lok people talking about it. It was no better than an informercial for Scent-Lok (which is what a lot of bowhunting shows are, unfortunately). It was basically a "if you don't wear Scent-Lok, you aren't a good hunter" type presentation. I won't watch that show anymore because that was the most blatant sell out I have ever seen.
THANK YOU!!!MY FEELINGS EXACTLY TO THE TEE. I couldn't have said it better. I saw it too and was appalled at how someone or a show could prostitute themselves out.

mnbowstalker 01-29-2007 11:38 AM

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The dogs are taught to smell out the rubber in boots and shoes....

atlasman 01-29-2007 02:15 PM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 

ORIGINAL: GRIZZLYMAN

I think it was last week that American Archer had the entire show about scent control, and of course, it was all Scent-Lok people talking about it. It was no better than an informercial for Scent-Lok (which is what a lot of bowhunting shows are, unfortunately). It was basically a "if you don't wear Scent-Lok, you aren't a good hunter" type presentation. I won't watch that show anymore because that was the most blatant sell out I have ever seen.
I saw the same show and almost puked. They actually rated hunters as if their skill was directly proportional to the amount of scent-lok stuff they bought.

That was bad............I used to like that show a little.

atlasman 01-29-2007 02:17 PM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 

ORIGINAL: Crazystups

I can't stand the Myth Busters Show. Those guys are full of it. Did you all see the show there they said it was impossiable to Robin Hood an arrow. They said it can't be done. Well I'm sure a number of us have the proof for them!
I believe what they looked into was whether a wooden arrow could be robin hooded from one end to the other completely like in the movies. Due to irregularities in the grain of wood they concluded this was not possible.

jake smith09 01-29-2007 02:21 PM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 
Thats insane. I was messin with my dogs once howling across the yard and didnt have it on and they found me every time. I would zig zag and what did the dogs do.... they zig zaged in the same way i did until they found me. Then i got an idea. I went in the house put on some scent elimination products and went out there and howled a couple times and they came into the yard sniffling all over the place and didnt find me!!!! My conclusion, They are the mythbusters they dont know what they are talking about and they need to get a life.

hardcorehunter 01-29-2007 02:36 PM

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Yes Atlas, that is what I remember of the show.

Germ 01-29-2007 02:37 PM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 

ORIGINAL: atlasman


ORIGINAL: Crazystups

I can't stand the Myth Busters Show. Those guys are full of it. Did you all see the show there they said it was impossiable to Robin Hood an arrow. They said it can't be done. Well I'm sure a number of us have the proof for them!
I believe what they looked into was whether a wooden arrow could be robin hooded from one end to the other completely like in the movies. Due to irregularities in the grain of wood they concluded this was not possible.
Will see, sometimes Sceince is just wrong, LOL

If it can be done Ferguson is the guy to do it!!

http://www.byronferguson.com/Archer_Ferguson_and_Imperial_Schrade_join_forces.p df

mtfreezer 01-29-2007 03:56 PM

RE: Myth Busters and Scent Control
 
I heard a couple years ago that even if the scent control products worked, they only eliminate some of your scent. From what I remember, 75 % of your scent comes from your head. I can't remember if that was mostly from your mouth and nose. Anyone else hear this? Any idea how much sent comes from the mouth and nose?


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