Me too on mock scrapes, I just take a stick and make a scrape. I do not put anything in it. 85% time a buck starts using it. Only scent I know to work 100% time is a hot doe If you have system that is working, and in PA I am all ears!!

Exactly! I've said on here before, that I can make the "growl" with the grunt call that I have. I heard one make this sound this year. It sounded like the deer burped real loud, like it drank too much coke!

1) Yes the Drury brothers are great business men and know how to market and hype a product (I wish I had the talent and resources to do so).

2) Isnt all of the bucks vocabulary some sortof grunt whether it be softand short or long and aggressive

That said i believe the drury's took the grunt to its extreme, a buck at its most aggressive, and gave it a "cool name." Yes it can work just like all of the calls we buy, but be realistic because none of them work all of the time. Even a simple bleat or soft grunt can scare deer away.

BTW-The primos roar makes a great sounding grunt and "roar" and it has the snort wheeze call on top. I now carry this instead of my tru talker.

Never heard the Roar or growl. Have heard the snort wheeze,but you can make a great wheeze sound bu placing your upper teeth against your lower lip and blowing air through it. Easy. An aggresive growl will scare off immature bucks I used itearlier this season to ward off a pair of forkies that were coming towards me and didn't want them to pass my stand.and bust me (possibly). Along aggresive growl broke up their sparring, the larger forky took a few steps in my direction and then they both trotted away the way they came. Guess they didn't want to get their butts kicked by the big boy!

drhntr178.. I couldn't have said it any better.

The 'growl' probably exists. It's just a drawn out grunt that's relatively agressive. And I for one have heard strange and even loud and long grunts before.. I just never named them.

Whitetail bucks have different personalities as much as any other animal I have seen. From their antlers to their foot size.. they're all different. Why can't some grunt with more aggresion..?

I wish I had a camera filming my hunt this year. You'd all know what it sounds like. It's not a drawn out tending grunt, its not just a little louder grunt, its an "I'm going to absolutely kill you" grunt. I watched and heard it several times along with 8-10 snort wheezes from a mature buck defending his doe from a young but persistant intruder. He made all sorts of vocalizations I've never heard, from just regular grunts, to the "roar" grunts, to snort wheezes (and variations on those too). There was so much intensity it was amazing.

All that being said, I doubt I'll buy the call, since I watched this thing for a while and no other bucks were called in. [8D]

No Kidding! I'm sure it means STAY AWAY! in deerspeak

Rybo, don't get me wrong as I do believe the growl/roar exists.

I am just not sure I have heard it yet.. or if it was just a loud drawn out grunt!?

well guy's, we all have our own systems, what works for some want work for others. With that being said, I bought into the ploy. I used it this year for 3 days and ended up pulling a buck from a thicket. I have to say I'm not 100% sure it was the call but I think it was. The deer wasn't huge but it was his territory and he was coming out to see if it was still his. Just remember that all calls are made to call the hunter first. Game has been killed for years without any calls or scents.

I have the "growl"................the DVD that comes with it has several deer recorded making the "growl" vocalization........one of which attracts deer from every direction.

My own personal opinion of the inflection changes you hear in the sound is due to the deer running as he is making the noise.........it is violent and aggressive for sure but the ups and downs that make it sound like a "growl" are from the deer's exertions during a run. Making a steady loud sound is easy standing still but try it running down your driveway and it sounds totally different.

Maybe that is the charm........a deer hears that sound and it registers as a not just a tending grunt but an aggressive grunt from a running or trotting buck.........in other words, the chase is on somewhere and he is missing it.

I think the "growl" is just a nice grunt tube. I bought one and used it and will use it again. I toned it down a ton so as not to scare the forks right off the deer's heads that can hear me..........and it did very well as far as calls go. I stopped 3-4 deer in their tracks and made them change direction and come my way with it.........and I say 3-4 because the buck I shot may have been coming my way anyways but I don't think he was.......the brush was too thick to know for sure.

That's all I can ask for out of a call. Could I get the same thing out of 10 other calls?? Probably. I have owned a bunch of grunt tubes including a true talker and the growl got better results then any of them.

It's a good grunt tube.......I don't feel like I wasted $15 on it.


Remember guys........marketing is EVERYTHING in deer hunting. If you can't convince some guy walking slowly by the endcap shelf that YOUR product is the only reason he hasn't killed a monster yet.......you failed.