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For more utlility and to be able to get more "usability" out of it in a broader spectrum? Yeah, I'd go with the Wolfskin as well... The wool is really super nice, just limited in its applications -- at least for me in the Midwest. But I can tell you I do appreciate it on those really cold December and January sits.

When the temps are above 30, I'll wear my usual stuff with the military's ACWS polypropelene underwear beneath, and I do just fine.

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Last question... do you have the comfort max???? Would you get it??? I have layers and layers of undies and wool shirts.

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Like no others....HHmm?

David, there is no question not to go with the Wolfskin like Greg mentioned.

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David, I don't own any comfortmax yet, and honestly haven't investigated it enough to speak intelligently to that...

I'm considering trying some of the under armour stuff this coming year to see if that makes any difference in keeping my core body temperature warmer.

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I have climamax on three of my suits and is the samething. When it is hot or you over heatyou still sweat. I went with X-scents this year for a base layer and I could really tell the differnce. A good base layer will do more to help you stay dry then anything else.

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I am not aware of another camo with wolfskin that has the option of unlined, comfortmax lined, or comfortmax with loft.
I also ddidn't know that I could get all of these options from anywhere either; if I am wrong let us know.
Adjusters that are not velcro. Velcro doesn't belong in the woods as far as I am concerned.
double knee
cargo pockets
bow pocket
leg zippers.

The jacket is the wolf skin jacket with comfort max.

with the following options
33 inch zipper
grunt tube pocket
sleeve adjusters that are not velcro
upper cargo pockets
back cargo pocket
waist draw cord
detachable hood

Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Davidmil, I have a set of Wolfskin clothing with the linings you are questioning. I opted to have the pants lined only with comformax and the jacket to be insulated with Thinsulate ultra and then comformax. I have no way of comparing what the fabric would be like without the linings. All I can tell you is that I've been very pleased in the 2 + seasons I have used it. It is pretty warm, though wool would be much much warmer. The wind protection seems to be where its most noticable. Its a big plus when sitting on a cold windy day to keep it out. Helps you stay a lot warmer.

For a windproof lining that is pretty water resistant, its quiet as anything I've seen. If you've had any experience with Cabelas Dry Plus lining, you know its a little noisy when cold. Comformax does not exibit this at all. In fact, I have the sample material of what it is and it is pretty much a tightly woven cloth material, not a varnish or treated fabric.

The wolfskin, as mentioned is the best material out there IMO. Grey Wolf Woolens will give you clothing that IMO, unless I see otherwise, can't be beat. If you would like, I can post detailed pics of just how well this clothing is put together. Amazing attention to detail and clothing that will hold up for many, many years.

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Thanks Muzzy, but the link someone put up with all the picturs shows it all pretty well, that and their website. I'm getting some. I checked the exhibitors list for the Harrisburg show the first part of Feb. Greywolf will be there. Do I dare say.... so will that other Camo guy.[8D]LOL

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;) I know what ya mean. I'm going to stop by and talk with Jeff when I get there. I would like to meet the guy in person.

There are a couple suggestions I would like to make regarding the design, but nothing really major. As for construction, I don't think you can find a better built piece of clothing anywhere.

I would love to see Deception in the Wolf Skin. Though the Fall Brown is IMO, the most versatile of all the Predator patterns.

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Yup, your wrong.

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I don't care if it is off topic... that thar is funny. You got to love it.[8D]

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Hillarious. I agree ;who didn't see it coming.

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The lastitem in red says it all. Please correct me by giving me the correct information please and not just a Yup; your wrong. We can't learn anything from this statement Rob, and we are all on here to learn.

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Wow, that stuff is expensive. I just priced a pair ofunlined pants and jacket with a few options: close to $360. I don't think so[&:].

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Don, it's simple that's why the simple answer "yup, your wrong". Absolutely everything you have listed:

33 inch zipper,
grunt tube pocket
sleeve adjusters that are not velcro
upper cargo pockets
back cargo pocket
waist draw cord
detachable hood

Plus any liner, any cord, if you want bungee, you can get bungee, if you want baylor twine, hell you can probably get baylor twine. ANYTHING.


Plus so much more is available in another camo company plus so much more. Someone wanted 3" longer sleeves cause he was tall, Chuck made him a jacket with 3" longer sleeves.

Another guy wanted a suit made exactly like an old set of bibs he had, with his permission Chuck tore the stitching out of the bibs and made him the exact thing out of his camo.

SBGobblers and Germ wanted grommets for their saftey harness's to come out between the shoulder blade instead of out of the neck hole, Chuck made them jackets with Safety strap grommet holes with a fabric flap to keep out water when not using the safety strap.

If Davidmil wants his blue undies sewed in as a liner, he can have that too. If you want a pink thong sewed in your pants, that can be accomodated. There isn't anything Chuck won't do to customized and get anyone into the desired suit.

Everything you have listed and so much more can be customized into the other camo company. There is nothing that GWW can do that cannot be done in another camo company. Chuck is personal friends with Jeff who is a fantastic guy as well. They work it together so in modern day plain ole English I say again.

"Yup, your wrong". ;)

Sorry Greg for Hijacking, I was called out. [8D]

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Sorry to hijack Greg. Chucks website doesn't mention this and says that his product has velcro adjusters. Also no mention of comfortmaxlined coats and lined pants with comfortmax. I must have missed it somewhere in these numerous threads about Chucks products that these features were possible. I know when I ordered my coat through youanyway, that I was not aware of all of these different options. I was told that I could have a BDU shirt, a light jacket, or BDU pants. Three types of clothing options; period. Gray Wolf has bibs and pullovers. These were not available two months ago when I ordered my coat correct? Yep; I am wrong.

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HNI Camo Discussions:

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They were if you asked for them. If you didn't get something from Chuck/Enigma....it's because you didn't ask for it. I'm not saying you're "wrong" Don......I'm saying there isn't an option I've heard of that Chuck won't implement into your garment.

Funny thing is......I'll bet if you called him and told him you were displeased with the jacket you have.....or that you wanted (__________) options implemented....he'd still do it.

I've said all along......ALL of these patterns work. If I had a relationship with Jeff.....I'd likely wear his products and give my personal endorsement. I've never seeked out anything from Chuck/Enigma....nor any other camo company. I'm not clothed/paid/nor do I receive ANY compensation for using his products. He asked me to field test it......and I was glad to do so. I still am.

If your current camo (predator/ASAT/etc...) company will give you that type of service.....then I'd say you're in a great situation. Don't switch!! They're all good!

Jeff

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Yep, your still wrong Don, I see you don't want to admit that. Bibs are available if ordered, Just because the website doesn't mention it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's new and not completely up to date, he's so busy filling orders that the website takes a back seat. Don't condemn a company for being a little busy. Customer severvice comes first, the website second. I'll say this as simply as I can again. There is nothing that GWW offers that is not available in a "other" camo company.

Greg, feel free to delete all offtopic posts within your thread, my apologies, we should take this to another thread.

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The options were not mentioned when I ordered my product two months ago; it has nothing to do with admitting anything. I am just stating a fact. I was never told that I could get my coat insulated. Now I am condemming a product???? Both are great companies; Gray Wolf just has more products available today with more features. Velcro isn't something I want on my hunting clothing. I am not a mind reader; Enigma products displayed on this forum have showed velcro and Enigmas' website says "velcro adjusters". Also no mention of any Enigma productsinsulated like Gray Wolf Woolens offers. I can't read minds; hell if I could I would quit my day job. I think it is great that Chuck is offering his clients more camo options and I think he has a great product. I have not downplayed or condemned his product here. When ordering from the company I should have been told of all of these options available and I wasn't.

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You know HCH if you would not shoot those vibrating Hoyts you would not need an arm guard[8D]

Ok I am off topic take me out back and

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LOL Germ. No vibration in a Hoyt, you know better. Too much New Years' festivites and not quite awake this am? I also shoot a Bowtech and a recurve.

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HI jacking our predator thread with that other camo is off topic. I won't have it. I'm going to start NON-Moderating big time if ya'll don't stop it.[8D] I don't want to hear about Chucky Cheese. I'll see him in Harrisburg.:)

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Silent Weave

GregH I just got off the Phone with my friend.

Silent weave is base level fabric for Cabelas.
65% Cotton 35% Poly and in some cases 60-40.

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davidmill.....

Because it is your birthday.....you will not be Enigma bitch-slapped back into your hole.

(just kidding.....happy birthday)

Jeff

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Okay HCH, to get this thread back on topic, I'm never too big or too small to admit when I'm wrong so I'll just say that I was wrong thinking you were wrong and say you were mistaken. It's all there, worded or not GWW isn't the only company offering all the adjustments features that you mentioned so saying so would be mistaken.

Okay Greg, back to our regularly scheduled programming.

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I see that the silent weave is 64-35. What is the wolfskin made of. I was under the impresion that these two fabrics were the same? The water resistance comes from the way they are tightly weaved? Just wondering.

Oh wait. I was thinking of warp knit fabric! Is that the same product? Sorry,is getting so confusing. I just know I want predator pattern in a fairly water resistant and warm set for not cheap but reasonable price.

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Silent weave is NOT water resistance

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Could somebody please get us back off topic??? It's more fun, that way.

Jeff

I'm just sayin......

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see edit thanks

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Sorry Germ,
I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm still stuck in the treebark era![:-]

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Wolfskin is your best bet. BuckSuede will do, are you in a cold climate? If so Bucksuede can get noisy. If warm climate bucksuede will do also.

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I have the bucksuede unlined stuff and it is ok when warm. Stiff but fairly water resistant. I ordered it from predator in WI, They offer this warp knit fabric and call it waterproof it the cold weather gear and was wondering about that. Yes it is cold here in SD.

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[quote]ORIGINAL: GregH



Stay there, if it ain't broke don't fix it!

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[:'(] What size do you wear I am going to send you a new suit, one from the90's.

Here you go Gregh http://www.fortune3.com/outfittertuff/

What I am saying is silent weave is about 1/2 step up from davemills tighty whities as far as material goes.

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Now them's fightin' woids.

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He he... Get back from a day's work and my thread goes to heck... :)

Thankfully, Davidmil's last post got it back on track... [8D]

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Yeah, but whatthread DOESN'T??

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Yeah, but only the SPECIAL ones get to have "THE" pic attached to them... I have officially arrived at HNI now!!!

;):D[8D][8D]

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I hope I never arrive, at least I don't think I have, it's easily forgotten.;)