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RE: Time to raise score to qualify for P&Y?
Atlas,
I know the the site will not like this but your a *******! |
RE: Time to raise score to qualify for P&Y?
ORIGINAL: PEAKRUT Atlas, I know the the site will not like this but your a *******! |
RE: Time to raise score to qualify for P&Y?
ORIGINAL: BigJ12 No,if they said they spent $100,000.00(or whatever)on grants last year I'm sure they did. What we (general public) don't know though is how much money was generated from entry fees compared to how much was spent on grants and the like. The point I was making is as long as they arespending money on grants thenthey can say that even the entry fee is part of that too. Like I said money flows into a company from many differend sources (depending on the company of course) so to try and single out one source and say none of that is spent on grants or any other conservation project just isn't possible. Well, it's how abuisness works, or most of them. While I don't claim to know how the P&Y club runs theirs, I know how I run mine and that's to say that all money no matter how it's earned goes into a general fund to be allocated as needed to run my company. I think because it's the norm I would like to see evidence to the contrary. It make no sense to have separate accounts for separate earnings, not only is it not needed because you already know where the money is comming from it makes for an accounting departments nightmare. They would have to balance and maintain separate ledgers for all the separate types of income generated. I have never heard of that not under one company name at least. I don't believe for one second that the entry fees paid only cover the cost to enter them. No, you know as well as I they are making money as any business should do. The P&Y clubdoes give money for grants, and otherconservation causes it only makes good business sense to do so, afterall it's bow hunters who are paying to have their deer entered. If they (P&Y club) didn't then pretty soon hunters would wise up and that would be the end of the P&Y club. So when it's all said and done, are people paying to have their name entered in a book? Sure......But they get the satisfaction of having their name listed with others who have achieved similar huntinggoals and at the same time helped their sport grow and stay strong, no matter how great or slight their actual monetarycontribution might be. |
RE: Time to raise score to qualify for P&Y?
My bow buck this year I don't think would quite make it. It will gross about 135, but too many deductions I think will take it below 125. Having said that, I don't know if I would enter it or not. If I did, who would know besides me?
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RE: Time to raise score to qualify for P&Y?
I don't know what business you run but if it is not a non profit organization that has to justify charitable contributions to the IRS then I wouldn't say your norm equals their norm. My father is retiring from a job that he has worked for 50 (yes 50) years. It's a NPO and takes no money from state or the feds. Money comes in from many many different means from pure donations to money made from the sales of items donated. I asked him about the business account and he told me there is only one. All money is deposited into this account and the NPO allocates from this account. Now to say NPO's don't make money is silly, they do. It's in the form of big pay checks for the director and staff as well as nice pension packages like my father enjoys. Don't you think that if some of your money from the entry fee went towards conservation they would advertise that fact??.........it would be a major catalyst to get people to pony up if they thought they were helping the greater good and not just buying ink and paper. I buy a duck stamp every year if I plan on hunting waterfowl or not........because I know my money is going to a good cause. I see no evidence of the $25 going to anything other then book related costs. I don't know if the P&Y club does or not, I haven't looked into it.I will take your word for it that they don't. That being said I also don't believe every last cent of the entry fee is used up by the process either. Even if it was, a point could be made that the P&Y club does many good things in the name of hunting and conservation and by just supporting them with an entry fee you are helping a company flurish even if it is a NPO. I keep all the money from my clinic in one account. At the end of the year I have to show how much came from many different sources. It's fairly simple........our girls know where to put the receipts based on where it came from and my accountant totals them up at the end of the year. Not a nightmare at all........in fact we got new software last year that makes it even easier on the girls. Remember though this is a tricky business (NPO's) and you can actually show that you spent money that was generated from entry fees, on grants KNOWING you will have to show that youused money generated by something else, say...donations, in order to cover those costs expended inpublishingand producing the books and entries etc.... This creates tax breaks. It's WAY more complicated than I can even explain but rest assured there are many loop holes that can be used to show just about anything you want. But everyone has been saying they are a NPO........How can this be?? "Nonprofits generally do not operate to generate profit, a characteristic widely considered to be defining of such organizations. However, a nonprofit organization may accept, hold and disburse money and other things of value. It may also legally and ethically trade at a profit. The extent to which it can generate income may be constrained, or the use of those profits may be restricted. Nonprofits therefore are typically funded by donations from the private or public sector, and often have tax exempt status" It's way more complicated than I can explain. I don't know if anyone here can determine if entry fees go towards grants and conservation or not. I don't think even 1/10 would care............as long as they got their name in the book. I don't see that the two are linked in any way...........and thinking most (not all) guys put their name in that book for some more honorable reason then to just see their name in print is naive. IMO |
RE: Time to raise score to qualify for P&Y?
I haven't read all the posts, nor do I want to, but if you pay the 25$ do you get anything from P&Y, like a medal or a certificate or something saying you have a deer in the book???? I'm kinda curious????
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RE: Time to raise score to qualify for P&Y?
i think you get a paper thingy
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RE: Time to raise score to qualify for P&Y?
If the book costs $42.....wouldn't it be realistic to think that the money generated from the sales of the BOOK funded the book? Why is this so hard to comprehend?
Atlas.....you still remind me of the Martha Burke lady picketing Augusta National. Now go iron me a shirt. Jeff |
RE: Time to raise score to qualify for P&Y?
ORIGINAL: GregH Although more record book deer are being entered now days, it's not to the extent where they are just flooding in. Even in states such as Ill. Ia, Wi, Ky and ohio, there is not a P&Y hiding behind every tree. It is still tough to get a deer that netsat 125" or above, even in these states. In short, at this time I don't think there is a problem that would require the minimums to be raised. |
RE: Time to raise score to qualify for P&Y?
ORIGINAL: ijimmy ORIGINAL: GregH Although more record book deer are being entered now days, it's not to the extent where they are just flooding in. Even in states such as Ill. Ia, Wi, Ky and ohio, there is not a P&Y hiding behind every tree. It is still tough to get a deer that netsat 125" or above, even in these states. In short, at this time I don't think there is a problem that would require the minimums to be raised. |
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