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WI hunters kill wolves
I was watching the news this morning and the WDNR has reported that 9 wolves have been shot by WI hunters during the deer season. Any feelings on this? I have heard a rumor and I say rumor that there were a breading pair released not 5 miles from my hunting land during the gun season. I hope it is a rumor but then again I wonder if I would even notice?
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RE: WI hunters kill wolves
I saw two wolves during bow season while hunting with a friend on his land. They are pretty rare here in Oklahoma, but they were definately wolves.I don't know what I would have done if they would have gotten real close, but I don't know that I would have killed one, since they are on the endangered species list.
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Like on SouthPark... "He's comin' right for us!!!"
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Talk to any hunters where the wolves have taken a foothold, & they will tell u that the deer pop. is definetly affected by them. I personnally think it was a mistake reintroducing them. They are predators & have no enemies except humans. They will continually grow in numbers. There even is talk now of a season for them out west.Wyoming is tryingto get wolves delistedoff the endangered list.What purposedo they serve? I've also heard ofanimals killed by wolves for the sake of the kill.Not for food. In Wi. we have enough to deal w/ the constantlychanging multiple area regulations & CWD, let alone the wolf problem. Any one up north have a run in or deer hunting dexrease due to them?
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We have a pack of wolves that roams our hunting land. My brothers has watched them hunt as a pack out in some tall grass by his stand once. ( kinda cool to watch) I think it was 5 but I would have to ask him again how many there were. The only way they have affected out hunting is now we have a hard time letting a deer lay over night if it is a marginal shot. Even if it is the right thing to do. Here is what they did to my brothers buck he shot this year. It was a low shot, probably one lung, so we let him lay over night.
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ok here is the picture.
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Looks like the deer was dead when they found it since the neck isn't chomped on.
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SOMEONE NEEDS to do it.... Wether it be the DNR, or the hunters.
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What's the law in WI?? I thought wolvesare a protected species but I could be wrong..
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They are protected in Wis. There are alot more than people think. I have a picture of one from my trail cam.
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I'm sure there's a lot more than just 9 wolves killed every year in WI. Most of the deer hunters up there don't like them and have no use for them whatsoever. A lot of your good-ole-boy types will shoot every wolf they see and not think twice about it.
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Sorry but I do have an opinion and it's based on the law. It's against the law to kill wolves. No different than any other type of poaching or other violations of law. I'm sure there are many "good old boys", who consider themselves as self appointed keepers of the forest and protectors of "their" deer but in my view, it's wrong.
Strange but this is the first instance of ambivalence towards lawbreaking that I've seen in this forum. In every instance from trespassing to poaching the comments have come down hard on the lawbreakers even to the point of suggesting that sentences were too lenient. I remember well the wolf and cougar kills of the 1940's and 50's by cattlemen that had an economic interest in protecting their livelihoods. Even they now support (to varying degrees) introduction and continuance of wolf populations. Seems to me the economic interes of the ranchers would far outweigh the recreation interests of a few WI, "sportsmen(?). By the way, has anyone in WI compared the predation rate of dogs and coyotes vs wolves? I'mbetting that information is available in your state and it's much worse than the wolves. |
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I remember well the wolf and cougar kills of the 1940's and 50's by cattlemen that had an economic interest in protecting their livelihoods. Even they now support (to varying degrees) introduction and continuance of wolf populations. Seems to me the economic interes of the ranchers would far outweigh the recreation interests of a few WI, "sportsmen(?). By the way, has anyone in WI compared the predation rate of dogs and coyotes vs wolves? I'mbetting that information is available in your state and it's much worse than the wolves. I don't know where the cattlemen are that support wolves but there aren't any around here. Wolves are a growing nuisance and if you think coyotes and dogs are bigger predators, you've been seriously misinformed. Wolves haven't been in my area very long, but ask about any outdoorsman and they'll tell you the impact they've made already. It ain't just the WI hunters that are upset, as you'll find out west. We have so many predatorsnow (black bear, grizzly bear, coyote, cougar, and now wolf)that soon hunters won't be necessary. Maybe that's the plan for the future. |
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I must be a "good ol boy"!
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CONGRATULATIONS !!
From what I know, wolves and people do not intermingle well, and wolves decimate deer, elk and moose herds unless they're kept in check (and they are not in the States) kill all of them , there's plenty of them in Canada |
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I am sure there are more then just 9 killed also. These are just the one they can confirm were killed by humans. Iunderstand that they found the 9 wolves and some were gutshot and some washed up on river banks. I have seen one wolf while hunting our land in northern WI but I have seen many coyotes as well. I really don't notice that much of a difference in the hunting over the last 16years. Around here people don't care for them at all.
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ORIGINAL: Bulzeye Looks like the deer was dead when they found it since the neck isn't chomped on. Anyways, in the area I hunt I have heard alot of people complain about the wolves, but never heard of anybody shooting a wolf. But I'm not suprised to her it. |
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Many people in the northwoods do not like the numerous wolf population. Notice I said people and not only hunters! And many do not like having so many. The DNR claimed for several years that there were only 250-300 wolves in northern WI. Virtually everyone living up nort' knew that estimate was a complete joke. Now the DNR acknowledges there may be about 450. I talked to a warden this fall who jokingly said if that's all the DNR thinks there is thenall450 appear to be in his county!:D
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there legislation proposingto declassify the wolf to "threatened" making it O.K. to shoot them in specific instances in WI? This proposition was shot down by a judge in Oregon. Oregon?????:eek: There isa code in the northwoods called the 3S. Shoot- Shovel- Shut up. Whether you agree with it or not,it does exist! |
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Throw the colar on a train. Not that I would ever do that.;)
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as far as i am concerned Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up:D
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In New Mexico you better have teeth marks in your $&# or your in trouble. I tell you we can't win.
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The ag-taggers werent getting enough deer killed,The city shooters had the same problem,and private land owners didnt want to co-operate with herd reduction.So the DNR. brings in wolves and protects them like the president.Try to stop him and his boys from killing deer.YOU go to jail.You cant stop wolves from crossing your property line.
My opinion on wolves,I dont think it was fair of the DNR to do that to the wolves.This isnt the same world it was 100 years ago.They are going to do whatever it takes to eat.They will learn that people dont run as fast as deer.They dont fight as hard either.Its a good reasion not to put deer piss on yourself as a cover. |
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ORIGINAL: laxdad Sorry but I do have an opinion and it's based on the law. It's against the law to kill wolves. No different than any other type of poaching or other violations of law. I'm sure there are many "good old boys", who consider themselves as self appointed keepers of the forest and protectors of "their" deer but in my view, it's wrong. Strange but this is the first instance of ambivalence towards lawbreaking that I've seen in this forum. In every instance from trespassing to poaching the comments have come down hard on the lawbreakers even to the point of suggesting that sentences were too lenient. I remember well the wolf and cougar kills of the 1940's and 50's by cattlemen that had an economic interest in protecting their livelihoods. Even they now support (to varying degrees) introduction and continuance of wolf populations. Seems to me the economic interes of the ranchers would far outweigh the recreation interests of a few WI, "sportsmen(?). By the way, has anyone in WI compared the predation rate of dogs and coyotes vs wolves? I'mbetting that information is available in your state and it's much worse than the wolves. my 2 cents |
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I dont have any wolves to worry about, but around here in certain areas I notice a problem with dogs running deer.. and they will run them until they are too exhausted to outrun the dogs, bay them down and kill them very slowly.. I carry an arrow with a large rubber blunt tip just for them.. and if i happen to be gun hunting, well its a bad day for a deer running dog.
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Is this what they look like?
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That's an awesome pic. Of course you found the wolf dead, right?
I read on the DNR website that a single wolf will kill between 30 - 50 deer in a year. However, they travel in packs of 5 - 10. So do the math..... I don't care what anybody thinks that MUST have an effect on hunting.... |
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ORIGINAL: gzg38b That's an awesome pic. Of course you found the wolf dead, right? I read on the DNR website that a single wolf will kill between 30 - 50 deer in a year. However, they travel in packs of 5 - 10. So do the math..... I don't care what anybody thinks that MUST have an effect on hunting.... Nope, I shot him. He's at the taxidermist being turned into a rug. Are you sure that is the correct number? Every study that I have read puts the averge wolf eats between 17-22 deer per year. I guess it depends on the area and what other food source there is. |
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Dan, thats one awsome picture! Did you shoot that one in Canada because I thought they are protected in Wisconsin?
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For onece i agree with Canadians.Buy a small game license and kill all the wolves you want.The only good thing they do is chase coyotes anyway.That and eat bear hunters dogs.
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Being from Wi and seeing sometimber wolves on our property from time to time, I have to say they are a very pretty animal, do I have a use for them....no...wouldI shoot one....if it came to a life or death situation....its survival of the fittest. In some areas of the state, the wolf population has gotten way out of control and the wolves are starting to kill cattle by the dozens, these farmer that have had cattle killed by wolves I beleive have permission to shoot any wolf on site that may cause death to any of their cattle.
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I dont know that id wait for an O.K. from anyone if they were killing my livestock.I do alot of trapping all over the country and ive never had one in one of my traps waiting for me.I hope i dont either,till we have a seasion.Im not loosing my license over killing one.
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I wouldn't kill one just because he was doing what I was doing. KILLING DEER! Why is it right for me to kill a deer for my own pleasure and a wolf or coyote must die for killing a deer just trying to survive? I guess it's just human greed taking over once agian.
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ORIGINAL: mlo3135127 I wouldn't kill one just because he was doing what I was doing. KILLING DEER! Why is it right for me to kill a deer for my own pleasure and a wolf or coyote must die for killing a deer just trying to survive? I guess it's just human greed taking over once agian. |
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ORIGINAL: SRBowman Dan, thats one awsome picture! Did you shoot that one in Canada because I thought they are protected in Wisconsin? I still have no opinion on the wolf issue in WI. Where I hunt in Canada, there are a lot more wolves than there are in WI and not nearly the number of deer. Yet the deer population is doing very well. I think a lot of people still have the old lynch mob mentality when it comes to wolves. Very few people truely understand them. |
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Its realy not a healthy one you need to worry about so much.And there are plenty of deer to go arround.My nephue shot a doe this year and she ran into a hole in the brush,with a big black wolf right behind it.I guess it was just that deers day,She was getting ate one way or another.When he told me a wolf took his deer i was realy blown away,but after i hung up,I thaught Who was taking whos deer?I dont like them,They were killed off for a reasion.They are distructive to our livestock,and they will eat you.Now the packs will have to grow to nusance size before we start the slow process of killing them off again.I wonder how many people will get tore up and eaten before that happens.In San diego little kids and grown ups get bitten by coyotes all the time.Hit google and southern calif.coyote attacks.it will show the last 80 or so attacks reported.Most go unreported.So before you get in bed with the wolves,take a good look at one up close,and ask yourself who is the fittest,and do i want to survive!
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ORIGINAL: furgitter Its realy not a healthy one you need to worry about so much.And there are plenty of deer to go arround.My nephue shot a doe this year and she ran into a hole in the brush,with a big black wolf right behind it.I guess it was just that deers day,She was getting ate one way or another.When he told me a wolf took his deer i was realy blown away,but after i hung up,I thaught Who was taking whos deer?I dont like them,They were killed off for a reasion.They are distructive to our livestock,and they will eat you.Now the packs will have to grow to nusance size before we start the slow process of killing them off again.I wonder how many people will get tore up and eaten before that happens.In San diego little kids and grown ups get bitten by coyotes all the time.Hit google and southern calif.coyote attacks.it will show the last 80 or so attacks reported.Most go unreported.So before you get in bed with the wolves,take a good look at one up close,and ask yourself who is the fittest,and do i want to survive! They were killed off because of mans green and they were severely misunderstood. There has only been one report of a human being killed by a wolf. It happened last year, I believe, in Northern Saskatchewan. I have seen many wolves in the wild. All but one time they ran like hell. Every other person I have talked to,has had the same experience. The one time theydid not run was when I shot the Alpha female and her pups (70lb males)stood by her when she was dead and one circled me. At the time I did freak out. Mainly because Iwas using a muzzleloader and was trying to reload. But after realizing what had happened, there was nothing to worry about. After living with the wolves, I believe most peopleseverely misunderstand them andare livingwith an outdated way of approachingthecurrent situation. |
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Im not whole heartedly against wolves like i am coyotes.In the deep woods is where they were for 100 years and they didnt bother anyone with the exception of a few folks who venture up there to wolf country.A wolf is a powerfull animal and most people are not fast enough,or smart enough to save themselves in the event of an attack.There are more every year(wolves) and they are comming closer in to town. I think it was a dirty trick to play on the wolves bringing them into farmland and expecting them to be good,stay away from people and dont eat them.Its gonna happen.I just hope its not me or someone i know.Im not trying to B.S. anyone.I dont have a degree in wolfoligy Im just speaking from the heart,and relaying a few observations.I know in feb when coyotes are chasing mates,all you gotta do is smell like a male dog to make your chances of an attack better.They want to protect whats theres.I understand that.I also understand what a wolf can do to a person if he doesnt realise i only smell like a male dog because i just got done playing with him.The wolves shouldnt have been brought here,thats my bottom line.
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Hey _Dan do you have a link to that wolf-kill? I've done research on wolves in college and as far as I know there has never been a documented case of a wolf killing a human, ever. Mostly they are perceived based on mythos as being man killers but there is no evidence of that. Would be interested in reading that article. I'll try a google search.
Edit: Hmmm the results seem inconclusive atm. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2005/11/10/wolf-attack051110.html |
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ORIGINAL: Talondale Hey _Dan do you have a link to that wolf-kill? I've done research on wolves in college and as far as I know there has never been a documented case of a wolf killing a human, ever. Mostly they are perceived based on mythos as being man killers but there is no evidence of that. Would be interested in reading that article. I'll try a google search. Talondale, I don't have a link. I believe it was in Outdoorlife and a few other places. It happened in either the Fall of 2004 or 2005. It was a 23 year old college student doing, I believe, forestry work in Northern Saskatchewan. Let me know if you find it. EDIT: I found another story with a little more info... http://www.ecobc.org/NewsToday/2005/12/TodaysNews1868/index.cfm |
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Here's a better story about it and the WI issue:
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1132&dept_id=157670&newsid=15 868113&PAG=461&rfi=9 |
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