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RE: WI hunters kill wolves
I find ironic that the hunters who come to the wolfs aid/support are the ones who don't have to live with them or they live where they can hunt them. The wolves have done damageto our elk herds here in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming and continue to do so until we stand up and do something about it.Because of them,quite the number of hunts have been shut downdue to the lack of elk,also many outfitters have been put out of business. But yet when us locals gripe aboutit and bring up a few facts that we have seen with our own eyes. We are thenlabled as game hogs and idots for being misinformed because we don't have a degree in biology. For the most partnon huntersin general don't seem to care very much as long as thereare afew elk left in yelllowstone and that they can see. So weelk hunters are on the loosing end of the stick so to speak.I myself look foward to the day when we can hunt and shootwolves like coyotes. Don't know when orif it will happen but we are sure trying to get some laws changed so it will.For the last three years I have hunted closer to home here in south east Idaho where the elk hunting is not as goodin years past as central Idaho was(my home away from home I grew up hunting there).But yet there are no wolves around and the elk still act like elk. I watched my favorite area around salmon Idaho go from glory to the dumps as far as the quality of elk hunting and number of elk. In my new area I amstill am punching my elk tag too, like I do most years, but I sure wonder if wolves move into my new area where will I go hunt next? Maybe if hunters nation wide saw wolves damage there favorite hunting spot then they would think twice before jumping on the pro wolf ban wagon. Then again maybe not? After all we have forgotten or disagreed with the reason our grandfathers got rid of the wolves in the first place.
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RE: WI hunters kill wolves
Idahoelkinstructor,I hear ya,and im sure people get killed by elk too.For some reasion i dont take it as personal as a wolf killing and eating someone.I may be paranoid, but i think more missing persons can be chalked up to wolf attacks.If you have a few of them,they wont findmore than the soles of your boots and some rags.Dang,if they can drag down a moose,or elk,what makes you think youre going to survive an attack.
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RE: WI hunters kill wolves
ORIGINAL: idahoelkinstructor I find ironic that the hunters who come to the wolfs aid/support are the ones who don't have to live with them or they live where they can hunt them. The wolves have done damageto our elk herds here in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming and continue to do so until we stand up and do something about it.Because of them,quite the number of hunts have been shut downdue to the lack of elk,also many outfitters have been put out of business. But yet when us locals gripe aboutit and bring up a few facts that we have seen with our own eyes. We are thenlabled as game hogs and idots for being misinformed because we don't have a degree in biology. For the most partnon huntersin general don't seem to care very much as long as thereare afew elk left in yelllowstone and that they can see. So weelk hunters are on the loosing end of the stick so to speak.I myself look foward to the day when we can hunt and shootwolves like coyotes. Don't know when orif it will happen but we are sure trying to get some laws changed so it will.For the last three years I have hunted closer to home here in south east Idaho where the elk hunting is not as goodin years past as central Idaho was(my home away from home I grew up hunting there).But yet there are no wolves around and the elk still act like elk. I watched my favorite area around salmon Idaho go from glory to the dumps as far as the quality of elk hunting and number of elk. In my new area I amstill am punching my elk tag too, like I do most years, but I sure wonder if wolves move into my new area where will I go hunt next? Maybe if hunters nation wide saw wolves damage there favorite hunting spot then they would think twice before jumping on the pro wolf ban wagon. Then again maybe not? After all we have forgotten or disagreed with the reason our grandfathers got rid of the wolves in the first place. As I have not hunted out West as you have I cannot comment on the problems out there. My experiences are coming from WI and Canada in areas with populations of deer. You are right, we can shoot them in Canada. But so very few of them are shot that it has no affect on the population. I also hunt in an area in WI where the wolf population has grown tremendously and have seen zero effect on the deer herd. Regional experiences may be different. |
RE: WI hunters kill wolves
ORIGINAL: furgitter Idahoelkinstructor,I hear ya,and im sure people get killed by elk too.For some reasion i dont take it as personal as a wolf killing and eating someone.I may be paranoid, but i think more missing persons can be chalked up to wolf attacks.If you have a few of them,they wont findmore than the soles of your boots and some rags.Dang,if they can drag down a moose,or elk,what makes you think youre going to survive an attack. |
RE: WI hunters kill wolves
It sounds like you are a little bit narrow minded on the subject.Although it seems that you are the only one who has shot any.Most wolves in alaska and canada are trapped or snared.Its for the fur market,which still exists today, and some people still make a good portion of there living at it.So the whole thing you were talking about minnimal impact due to harvesting,I will take as your opinion.And it seems you want to pick and choose what part of a fact you want to display.Your responses are getting kind of week anyway,so its probobly best we just agree to disagree.
ORIGINAL: _Dan ORIGINAL: furgitter Idahoelkinstructor,I hear ya,and im sure people get killed by elk too.For some reasion i dont take it as personal as a wolf killing and eating someone.I may be paranoid, but i think more missing persons can be chalked up to wolf attacks.If you have a few of them,they wont findmore than the soles of your boots and some rags.Dang,if they can drag down a moose,or elk,what makes you think youre going to survive an attack. |
RE: WI hunters kill wolves
ORIGINAL: furgitter It sounds like you are a little bit narrow minded on the subject.Although it seems that you are the only one who has shot any.Most wolves in alaska and canada are trapped or snared.Its for the fur market,which still exists today, and some people still make a good portion of there living at it.So the whole thing you were talking about minnimal impact due to harvesting,I will take as your opinion.And it seems you want to pick and choose what part of a fact you want to display.Your responses are getting kind of week anyway,so its probobly best we just agree to disagree. |
RE: WI hunters kill wolves
After all we have forgotten or disagreed with the reason our grandfathers got rid of the wolves in the first place. Interesting reading in this artical as well. http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/wolf_numbers_deline_2005.html A new study has shown that 70 to 75 percent of radio-tagged elk calves die in their first year -- 55 to 60 percent were killed by grizzly and black bears, 10 to 15 percent by coyotes and the remainder by wolves. Another recent study indicates that hunting by humans, combined with the past 8-9 year drought, could be a major reason for the decline. "Climate and harvest rate are justified explanations for most of the elk decline," said the study by Doug Smith and Daniel Stabler, of Yellowstone's Center for Resources, and John Vucetich, of Michigan Tech University. That study, which was published in the scientific journal "Oikos", noted that although the region has been in a drought, including mild winters for the past 8-9 years,, dry summers have reduced the availability and quality of food. Then you got states like Idaho who instead of coming up with a game management plan where wolves could be delisted and managed by the state instead come out with a wolf eradication plan designed to wipe out the wolf from the state.With brainstorms like this its no wonder you cant get a chance to control the population. |
RE: WI hunters kill wolves
wolf population has grown tremendously and have seen zero effect on the deer herd. I am not saying you lieing and I know you believe what you are saying,but I have a hard time buying/understanding that? How can the wolves not affect the deer herds? If that is true, then what the heck are the wolves eating? Here in the west according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife biologists (the quote unquote wolf experts) each wolf kills a elk every week to a week and a half. Of course they kill in packs, but it equals out to that. If no elk are available then there next favorite thing is moose, or cattle, then deer and sheep and so on, but it all equals out to about the same ammount of freshmeat per week.The wolves seem to like to hunt and kill the bigger animals first, but that is not always the case 100% of the time. Anyway WI must have a heck of a deer population for you to not notice the wolves taking there share. Either that or not many wolves are around? Unless they are eating cows, and other farm animals? Don't live there never been (would like to visit) so I don't knowwhich it is, but I do know that the wolves have to be eating something? |
RE: WI hunters kill wolves
I hunt in wisconsin & michigan, every landowner I've ever talked to wants wolves shot on sight. Some of these people have to make their living off that land. This may come as a big surprise to a lot of you but the DNR doesn't always know, or do, whats best.
To you riteous guys out there that don't want them shot because they're not hurting anyone and they're just doing what wolves do please keep in mind that we have crow hunting seasons (I'm quite sure no one has ever died as a result of a crow attack), a lot of people shoot prairie dogs for recreation even though many people find them cute and cuddly. Why is it ok for the DNR and other government agencies to "declare war" on the Emerald Ash Borer beatle when these beatles are just doing what they know to do? There's still going to be lots of other trees even if all the ash trees are killed off. Ifthe DNRwants to keep wolves protected, then the wolves are going to have to start bringing some benefits to the table, otherwise they're going to continue to be percieved as having no economic or environmental benefit (which will never happen because wolves have about as much usefullness asa wood tick). |
RE: WI hunters kill wolves
ORIGINAL: idahoelkinstructor wolf population has grown tremendously and have seen zero effect on the deer herd. I am not saying you lieing and I know you believe what you are saying,but I have a hard time buying/understanding that? How can the wolves not affect the deer herds? If that is true, then what the heck are the wolves eating? Here in the west according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife biologists (the quote unquote wolf experts) each wolf kills a elk every week to a week and a half. Of course they kill in packs, but it equals out to that. If no elk are available then there next favorite thing is moose, or cattle, then deer and sheep and so on, but it all equals out to about the same ammount of freshmeat per week.The wolves seem to like to hunt and kill the bigger animals first, but that is not always the case 100% of the time. Anyway WI must have a heck of a deer population for you to not notice the wolves taking there share. Either that or not many wolves are around? Unless they are eating cows, and other farm animals? Don't live there never been (would like to visit) so I don't knowwhich it is, but I do know that the wolves have to be eating something? You are correct on the deer population here, its extremely high. I see no effect because the wolves have such a large home range that they do not stick in one area very long. In my area of Canada, there is also a large population of wolves and deer. While I am out there in the Summer and Fall I can hear the wolves howling at least every other day. One day they will be in one area and the next they may be 5 miles away. Like I said, I can see where it would be very different here that it is out there. Mainly because we are talking about two different prey species and different population structures. |
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