Slick Trick broadhead deflection tests completed
 

As many of you know their was or is some talk about slick trick broadheads and the steeper blade angles cuasing the broadhead to "skip" or slide across deer on hard quartering shots. I should say that I have realy only heard of two people having this problem, all the other reports on this head have been positive for the most part.
What I did was to take a golden key deadhead 100 grn, and a slick trick 100 grn. I shot them on 2219 arrows out of my Hoyt stryker II bow. The bow was setup and tuned to these arrows and 100 grn broadheads.
I then hung a fresh deer hide over a 1/4" piece of luon board and stood it up against a 3D target. The Shot distance was 25 yards. I shot several shots with each head at differnt angles. One thing I will say up front is that this target material is very slippery, the hide is soft and slippery, and the luon board is like on huge solid rib. I really found no differnce in how the heads preformed, except in the most extreme angle. Both heads pretty much "stuck" where they hit. The only exception was the most severe angle, which in my opinion is on the edge of what is aceptable for ethical shot placement, and most hunters would probably not take a shot like this, but it is still possible to get both lungs with the angle, but arrow placement has to be perfect.
On this severe angle the deadhead slid across the hide about an inch before "sticking" and penetrating. The slick trick slid about 2 inches before "sticking". On both heads you could see the hide ripped and the blade marks where the head slid across the board before the tip penetrated. In both cases the shots would have been a kill. The slick tricks did slide along the hide/luon combination longer than the three bladed deadhead, but not by all that much. I could see where it could be worse with both heads if the bow and arrow combination was not tuned properly, or if the shooter were to hit a small branch, or their clothing , cuasing arrow flight to be less than perfect. To sum all of this all up, yes the Slick Tricks can defelct, as can any broadhead. The angle at which this happens is pretty severe, so severe in fact that one should really think hard about taking that kind of shot with any broadhead. I would rate the deflection of the Slick tricks just behind most "conventional broadheads" and ahead of most mechanical heads. I would feel comfortable taking reasonable quartering shots with my bow and the slick tricks, and don't think it is really a problem for most hunters. Those using super lite arrows, say under 400 grns, may have more deflection, but that would apply to any broadhead. That is one of those tradeoff's you have to live with by giving up arrow weight for speed. I am not sure what I really proved or disproved here, but the test was intresting, if not very scientific.

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Thanks for the info. ,now I know not to get the "Slck Trick"

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As always, thanks for the fine work that you do and share with us.

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Thanks for taking all the time and trouble to conduct the test. Sounds to me like Slick Tricks perform as well as any other broadhead in relation to deflections. And if they fly as well as was documented in the other thread, I might just have to try them.

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bayonets, I wouldn't rule out the Slick tricks, they actually did well in the tests, and they are still the most accurate fixed blade head I have tested. buck, your welcome. Budbowhunter I also am looking forward to the 125 grn head.

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Thanks for the test, 5-Shot.



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5Shot

With all due respect, I cannot support your findings regarding your "deflection" test of the particular broadheads. Without relating a long story, I have a "hands on" forensic related background regarding wounds and wound paths (channels) caused by projectiles.

Based on my knowledge and my personal experiences, I can confidently state that the medium (dry hide and a medium solid and smooth board) you used to perform the tests in an attempt to determine "real life" deflection results was unsuitable for comparison with actual events. In fact, the medium you used would have had a coefficient of friction that could have assisted an angled penetration.

The numerous variables that exist and the control groups that are required to perform such a test are too extensive and too scientific to detail. Therefore, I will summarize in lay terms by saying that sustained energy and coefficient of friction (drag and snag) are two that must be considered regarding your test.

First, let us examine some the rudimentary differences in the two mediums:

Deer: Moving entity with a lubricated, supple and flexible surface, having a greater depth from exterior surface to rib cage, with various types of blood-lubricated sinew situated between the outer surface and the ribcage. The ribcage is also covered with strong and blood lubricated connective tissue. The rib cage is not flat, but has valleys and apexes.

Dry hide and Luan board (Luan board is a very thin and fairly light-weight wood product): Stationary, dry medium, no material to cause unbalanced internal forces is located between the hide and the board. The drag and snag friction of the dry hide and the board would be extremely high.

When a projectile enters a body, animal or human; due to the mass of connective tissues, muscle, bone, and the lubricating factor of blood and other fluids, internal unbalanced forces exist that can cause an arrow to deviate from its original path.

A dry hide laid flatly on a flat board having no give and no flexibility would allow an arrow to better maintain a uniform path. Additionally, the drag and snag affect of the dry medium could create a force (friction) that could assist pulling the arrow inward on an angled entry. If the large and steeply angled blades dug into the board and grabbed, the sudden clutching of the blade by the wood could cause the point of the broadhead to dive towards the board, thus assisting penetration.

On a deer, the instant the arrow penetrated a moving, flexible and, lubricated mass, the various internal forces could easily deflect the path of the arrow. Internal deflection of a projectile is more common than uncommon.

Should a large blade, especially one with a steep angle, dive into the valley between ribs and then impact against the extremely hard and lubricated bone, it is not unreasonable to theorize that the broadhead would be deflected upwards and along the rib cage, taking the shaft with it. Additionally, if the point of the ferrule or a blade edge was to impact (angled) on the apex of a rib, the shaft will most likely be deflect upwards.

In both cases of supposed upward deflection, the arrow has begun to loose most of its energy and will follow a path of the least resistance. This would mean that the arrow would most likely travel through the interior of the deer as is shown in the photos provided by huntmup.

Unless many controlled and scientific tests are performed, the best evaluation lies with consolidated results obtained under actual conditions.








Edited by - c903 on 11/26/2002 10:21:58

Edited by - c903 on 11/26/2002 15:33:38

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Thanks for the test and info 5shot!:)

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5shot, I appreciate all the trouble you go to, to conduct your unscientific evaluations of broadheads and related stuff. Does c903 refute all your findings or just this one? Has he been shooting cadavers or dead deer. What are the results of his scientific tests? Please don't let this guy deter you from conducting tests the way you do it. Just tell it like it is and forget all the tehnical crap.<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

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