Kid shot "my" deer - Part II .. God's Great Acre
 

If anyone remembers my original post.....and wants to congratulate the lucky owners of the most productive deer hunting land on Earth......

I got the call, last night, that "dad" had killed another 8-pointer, yesterday morning. That's 4 bucks off this one acre. Inside spread of 13-1/2 inches.

Jeff:eek:

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What are you waiting for?

Tom

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Jeff since God owns all of the land I'll be down to hunt it too. See you this weekend.;)[&:]

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Me too!

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Alright, that might push me over the edge...

This last deer makes it almost impossible to believe that they were all killed off of one acre. If i were you i would do something about it. Doesnt look like you have any other choice.

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Man they have seen more bucks on that acre in a couple days than you have all year...maybe they are just better hunters:eek:, according to some on this forum you don't kill big bucks because of luck[8D]. you have to spend all year scouting, then hunt like a madman only for the deer that you had your eye on....whatever. Jeff if you don't talk to someone about it soon they will have killed all the noce bucks on the property. Why not just drive over and talk to them?

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Guys.....I've been saying all along that I've been hunting 3 deer. They've now killed 2 8-pointers and a 10-pointer off this one acre (supposedly). Admittedly....I'd never seen one of the 8-pointers. They're not showing photos of the other 2.

There are those.....even in this forum.....that would argue they're "doing it right". They've found a magical way to harvest the most mature animals in my woods....on their acre.

What do I tell the warden? I'm really at a loss. It makes everything I work for seem pointless. I really have to start to realize that my season is bow season......and then I'm done. I have no chance. I can't compete with fellow-competitors that don't play by the rules.

Not a good day......again.

Jeff

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You need to do something, hunt more or find out what they are doing. If you have permission to hunt the area, get in there. If they don't....say something to them. If you are afraid of losing the ground by saying something....well, theres not much you can do, other than kill the deer before they get a chance. Who is telling you that they are killing the deer?

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Do they bait on there one acre?

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New.....let's look at this in the manner that's gonna give them the most benefi of the doubt. An acre is 43,560 SF. That's basically a 210x210SF area. On this acre is a house.....a barn...a driveway....a big tree.....and nothing else. Now....take all of the human scent away.....and throw all the bait you want......and try and get 3 mature bucks to enter that space.

I kept a feeder in my yard for over a year. I never saw "A" buck in that time (and I could hit a 3 iron over to this guy's house).

These guys are NOT the most savory characters in the world. I'v eNEVER had a run-in with them.....but I'm the exception to the rule. Theyve either threatened or carried through with threats on several people in our area (including property damage and physical threats). I have a wife.....a child....and these guys (grandad and dad) are former residents of the state I live in (ifyaknowwhatimean).

It's unfortunate.....to say the least.

Jeff

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Just asking. It seems like a game warden wouldn't have much trouble busting them if he/she staked them out, ecspecially with one of those robo-deer. And from the sounds of them they probably already have a record of some sort. I hate to hear stuff like this especially when you have peoples property being damaged or attacking and causing physical harm to people. I will leave out how I feel the situation should be handled as it is not the P C answer to most problems but I don't think I could be very tolerant of these guys if they are as bad as you describe.

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If they are confrontational, you will be the odd man out if you make waves. They are family, you are not. Sticky situation, hope you figure something out. Is your bow season still in?

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Hunt the edge of the acre. I believe either you or Rob said it was kind of an open area. Set up a climber if possible. You will either see a buck or someone crossing property lines. They have to come from some where if they are indeed shot of that one acre, which is not likely but possible

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put up a fence, put some trail cams up high or give them an offer$ on that holy acre.
If there is snow on the ground use that it shouldn't be hard to see if their useing your land.

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Jeff I think your best course of action is to get in contact with the warden and mention to them that you think their maybe some shady things going on. But ask him to be discreet and not to mention you at all. I have found wardens to me very cooperative when helping them catch poachers. And I would make sure I mentioned that these people have seen the inside of a prison cell. I know your in a tough spot but after reading everything in both posts I think this may be the way to go.

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Yeah....Bow season is in until the 16th (ALL seasons end, then.....for us law abiding citizens, anyways).

I'm just going to chalk this up to "unfortunate". Its unfortuate that I have to deal with this. "Sour grapes"? yes.

I simply refuse to watch them instead of hunting the way I want to hunt. If I gun hunted....there's 2 of those deer (likely) that they'd have never seen. If they hunted on land they had permission to hunt on.....they'd likely never take an animal from these woods (what's the odds of you and the deer being on that ONE cleared acre????).

This just make sme sick.

jeff

Jeff

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With the family "situation" it is definitely something the authorities should handle as you don't want to get caught in the middle ecspecially with the amount of time you have logged in on the land.

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It's a no win situation from what you've told us. You don't want to confront them. You don't want to report them. And they don't seem inclined to change. If it's that much of a pain I'd suggest moving on. Find a new spot. You're letting two yahoos ruin your hunting and dominate your life. If they were in the pen at sometime, it's quite possible they're not even suppose to be near a firearm. Move on.

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Why won't you confront them about it?

Sounds like a perfect robo deer situation to me. I'd be doing something. No way in hell I'm letting a bunch of poaching yahoos ruin my hunting. I dont' give a crap who they are. I'd be calling the authorities or knocking on doors or both.

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I realize you are mad, but if you don't want to do anything about it, you shouldn't be in here complaining about it. This might make you mad at me, but I will risk it. If you know they are doing something wrong and you turn away because you don't think you can do something...you are part of the problem. They won't stop doing what they are doing until somebody makes them stop.

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I agree with this 100%!!!!!! The warden isn't going to come to you about it or read your posts about it on here! Time to step up! Call the warden and let him know the situation or like others said, Move on!!!!!!

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You deal with people like this in a private permanant manner or you don't deal with them at all. So the question you have to ask yourself is this peice of hunting property worth your freedom and time with your family. Also it isn't like you don't get to hunt it! In addition this isn't about hunting this is about antlers. You probably could take all kinds of deer out of there but you want head gear.

So I'm going to just say your problem is pretty much solved.

Tom

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Two bucks have been killed on the property next to me this year. One buck scored 181. The other scored over 200. Last year someone killed a 170 class buck on the same land. My dad saw a buck and someone else seen it too and said it could have been a 200 class buck.

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The game warden also told a few people he seen a buck at night eating in a field that could possibly be a world record.

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I was thinking the same thing.......with "night" being the key word. Call the Game Warden brother. I may even go further and call the police as well and let them know you may have felons (depending onwhat their rapsheet looks like)with guns as neighbors. Last time I checked convicted felons can't be in possession of firearms let alone have a hunting liscense. If you're lucky they'll have a felony conviction and your problem will be solvedwhen theyback to theclinkwhen the officers find firearms on their premises. I know, this may be a little extreme, but if my family was close to these &^&*%^$%##%........ I'd be making some phone calls to someone.

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Bad guys don't play by the rules. I would highly advise against any strategy like this.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Tom

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Ok I didn't read all of part 1 so forgive if this has been addressed..But my question is how do you know they are doing anything illegal? Just because they are putting mature deer down, and you are not?
You state that you work hard for the chance..whats hard about going out on a few acre honey hole and watching deer pass by and deciding what too shoot and what not to shoot?

You were so confident in this area that you had team-mates drive down and were openly saying how you were gonna donate the meat to needy families. You had the meat given away before you even were in the bush..cocky to say the least! Only after asking permission to bring an outsider in to hunt, and having that permission denied, did the plan change.

It does have the ring of sour grapes..sorry just my opinion. These deer are not your deer, or my deer, or the neighbors deer, they are just deer. A legal and hunt-able asset put here by God above.

Perhaps if the neighbors are taking the nice deer off the land, then next year you will find out what working for a deer is..you may have to scout some land, gain new permissions, place stands etc..instead of just walking 225 yards (my 3 iron distance) out the back door, to the deer watching stand!

Again sorry if you take this bad, maybe I don't have all the details..but 1 post can pass by without comment and written off as venting..a second cries out as jealousy.

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Don't sound like an idiot with that post Dave.

Sounds like your not the only one afraid of them. Guess they'll do what they want when they want.

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If in fact they are doing something illegal then your options are to:

A-Talk to a warden about it
or
B-Stop complaining

Sorry, but telling us about it isn't going to solve the problem. If you don't want get LE involved, then you are not going to get anywhere complaining. I wish you the best of luck, because if it were my neighbors, I would be very angry. But I would also go to the proper authorities about it.

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The one thing SBGoobers has going against him, probably, is that in most states the Landowner has to make the complaint to the law. They usually don't listen to sour grapes if the landowner won't back it up. Sounds like the land owner knows but doesn't want to get involved either.

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I just want to knwo what makes this deer YOUR DEER?????? Did you give birth to it, breast feed it, and raise it????I didnt think so. ITS NOT YOUR DEER!

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Your right it's not HIS deer. In fact it's not even HIS land is it. I forgot about it not being his land. So I do think the landowner would have to get involved, and I don't see that happening. I guess it sucks when you put so much time and effort into "growing" a nice mature whitetail, only to have it shot by someone who doesn't hunt by the same rulesthat you do. I don't guess you would be complaining if they had shot three nice mature does would you?

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ok, taking all the buck is going to far. all you can do is talk to them. if you cant beat then, join them sorta. you have to realize they are going to hunt there so ask them if they can limit the amount of bucks they take and look for more does instead. if you take it on a "lets work together approach" and realize they will hunt there, mabye you can come to a qdm agreement and everyone is happy. its just life and this is the best way of dealing with it cause any other way will just lead to trouble.

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This is gonna get good...

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Golly Miss Molly, let's not go there again. We've already done the deer possession bit.

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Agreed and many of us claim the same thing. I call the deer on the property I hunt, "My deer"....when I see one laying along the road, I say, one of my deer got hit by a car. When I hear one being shot, I tell others, one of my deer got shot.

(wis bow) It's a damn figure of speech brought on by a sense of attachment by watching, passing, food plotting, hunting etc....the property next door can say that about me when I shoot one, they could say I shot one of their deer.

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gR8....If you didn't read the thread.....why would you come in here and berate me for discussing a situation you have NO IDEA of what's transpired? I invited Rob down here to hunt.....and I can tell you right now.....I could have taken deer while he was here. So could Rob. We didn't find a deer that interested us (And I'm not strictly talking about bucks).....so we didn't take any. I harvested a deer for the family I was going to donate to, last Saturday. All is well. I'll get them one more. You belittle my method of hunting.....and I don't boast as to anything. I tell you the truth. I could tag out in my first week of hunting....and I have 6 tags. Don't pretend to talk down your nose at me. You don't know me (or you wouldn't do that).

Go back and read the original thread. I think you'll realize you're barking up the wrong tree.

"MY" deer. I SPECIFICALLY put the "my" in parenthesis for a reason. It's a FIGURE OF SPEECH. I know theyre not "my" deer. I just happen to be the ONLY PERSON with permission to hunt them on the land they're getting killed on. I really don't think this is such a stretch to use a FIGURE OF SPEECH in this manner.

I DO see a lot of your points. These people have had NUMEROUS run-ins with the game warden(s). They've been fined. They've also figured out a way to beat the system.......and it's hard to prove an animal WASN'T taken from a lone acre.

I do have a wife and a son that I love. To confront them over a deer (the risk involved) isn't in my future. I'll just live with it. That doesn't mean I have to like it......hence my post. I just won't mention it, again.

Jeff

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GR8....Please tell me how the "plans change" has anything to do with my story, above. Please....go ahead and say what you want.

Deer ARE a legal and huntable asset given by God. BUT...the landowner gives the permission to hunt them in a legal manner. If you're there, illegally, hey shouldn't be HUNTABLE.

So now you're going to tell me I don't know how to work hard to hunt the deer I do. All this...and you have NO IDEA of what I put into this passion. That's rich.

Why should I have to scout new land and gain new permission when everything "I'm" doing is legal and ethical......just to make way for the opposite? this is like saying the guy who hunts YOUR land at night has figured out a method that is superior to yours.....and that you'd better figure out how to take the bucks you're after in a more superior method to his. Otherwise...."sour grapes" when he spotlights and kills the deer you're after.

I said he neighbor's property was a 3-iron distance......I didn't say I hunted, there. He don't, either. Yes. I walk to a lot of places I hunt. Yes. It's cool being able to do so. No. Don't be a hater.

Am I "jealous" of these guys? Hardly.

Jeff

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First off I didn't say I didn't read it ..I said I didn't read it all. That is every reply and answer, I read your initial statement which obviously you felt was the most important part or you would not have opened with it!

How or when do I do that? I know nothing of your hunting other than what you tell us. I think it's great to have a honey hole. My statement was if all the bigs bucks are gone you may have to start over on fresh land. Thats always harder than going the known route.

This is the second time you've made attempts to "call me out" on this board. My friend, I'm grown..your internet threats do not intimidate me nor would your presence in the real world. I find pursuing this avenue childish.

I didn't see where you had proof that anything illegal was going on, it just seems you made that assumption since they were killing "your" bucks.

and yes I understand the "my" deer statement. But the repeated use of the term makes the sour grape statement, plausable.

SB, I don't know if "we" have a problem and if we do..I won't loose any sleep over it. Yes, I made a BAD joke on your heart felt thread about your Dog. A statement that once I saw you took it wrong, I immediatly apologized via PM.
But brother you are very open..you come on the board and air every detail of your hunting life and some of your personal stuff also. We try and pick you up when we can. I'm not saying that this sharing of your inner self is bad, if thats your way. But dammit when someone disagrees or has a thought that doesn't agree with you, you seem to lose it. The threats fly and the chest pounding begins.
I mean, I know going in, that when I post something about a situation, the kind of responses i'll get, some will agree, some won't. If you just want a bunch of guys saying "me too" and "I agree" why make a post. It's the differring views that make it a DISCUSSION board. If you don't want input or replies may I suggest starting a diary.

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I said....and I'll say it clearly.....

Don't pretend to talk down your nose at me. You don't know me or you wouldn't do that.

We're on an internet hunting forum. I do NOTHING related to hunting (or otherwise, to my knowledge)that would give anyone the right to talk down to me. I'm also a man....and no man deserves to speak to me in that (condescending)manner.I feel the same way you do. It's not chest pounding. It's being a man. I have a rule when discussing items on the internet. I won't say anything on here I wouldn't say to your face. I only ask for the same consideration. If you misunderstand something I say......just ask. I'll tell you. I'm not trying to be confrontational when I say this....i'm just stating a policy that we'd all be good to follow.

If you honestly belive that 4 bucks (3 being older and mature) can be harvested off the lone acre I described above.....then how do I argue with that??? I just find it hard to believe.....and based on the family history.....I'd say my doubts hold merit.

I agree that I either need to get the authorities involved.....or let it go. I've taken the advice given.

Maybe we'll run into each other at one of these internet get-togethers and learn more about each other. Sounds fun, huh?:)

Jeff