Gotta love the orange army, they never disappoint!!!
 

Hey guys, today was the opener of rifle season here and PA and it didn't disappoint, it was the same ol' sea of orange doing deer drives, but this year was a little different! I had a buddy of mine huntingmy honey hole area with his bow. I knew that nobody was gonna be in the woods with rifles because we are the only ones allowed to hunt the property. My buddy got in stand over an hour before daylight and at 2:45 p.m. he was back at my house with a disgusted look on his face. I asked him how it went and thats when he told me that he wasn't alone in the woods. It seems the gas-well attendants that tend the wells on this property decided that they had the right to hunt the property and they brought friends, LOTS of friends. They set guys entirely around this patch of woods on the surrounding properties and at 8:00 a.m. a group of guys came through doing a drive. They walked right under my buddy and had the nerve to wave at him in his stand. He was upset but since he was invited to the property he didn't say anything. He watched them kick up a group of deer out of the major bedding area that our stands surround and the war started, he counted over 40 shots within a few minutes. He stayed in his stand hoping that maybe something would happen, well at 2:00 p.m. guess who shows back up driving the woods the opposite way as the morning. This time a 5 point half rack (one of the big 10's I saw that snapped an entire antler off) jumped up and ran right under my buddy, all of a sudden a shot rings out and the deer drops. These idiots shot a deer that was standing just feet from the base of the tree my buddy was in. As these 6 guys drug the deer out whooping and hollaring the whole time my buddy got his stuff ready and headed out.

I talked to the landowner this evening and none of these guys were given permission to hunt this property! It simply amazes me how ignorant and arrogant some hunters can be. Something needs to change, its sad that my buddy and I put soooo much time, energy, money, and effort into creating a sanctuary for these deer, the one spot where the deer feel comfortable and have a chance to avoid the orange army but because of these disrespectful people that is all thrown out the window. Last year we decided to keep these woods to bow-hunting only, we wanted a spot that you could actually hunt with a bow during rifle season and have deer on their normal patterns and that has all been jepordized know.

Sorry for the long post, I just had to vent!!!

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Wow! That really stinks. Are there posted signs up? It seems that the mindset amongst some people is that if there aren't any signs it is okay to have at it. I'm not saying that is right. Just my observation.

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I probobly had a wierd look on my face as I read your post as I feel your pain.the differance between a bowhunter andmost once a year gun hunters is vast.We put like you said alot of time and effort into something that is sacred to us just to have something like this happen.If it happens again something should be said.Dont let them wreck your season

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The orange army sucks. Sorry to hear that a bunch of idiots ruined your spot. I hope the landowner has enough balls to do something about it, but knowing poeple these days...probably not

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Just a warning - if this turns into another "lets bash the gun hunters" thread, it's getting moved and/or locked.

This has nothing to do with the weapon these people choose to hunt with, and everything to do with the manner in which they choose to hunt with that weapon. Deer drives, rifle towers, etc are just as much a part of deer hunting as hang-on stands, food plots, and other techniques used by bowhunters and gun hunters alike. The problem here lays with people who were trespassing where they don't belong and not being safe while doing so, not the fact that they are part of the "orange army."

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Ihonestly dont know what to say [:'(]

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Amen, the title may have been a little misleading as I have no problem with rifle hunters, but was referring to the group of guys dressed in orange that were tresspassing on this property. I have no problem with rifle hunting, did it and wouldn't hesistate to do it again as well as deer drives, my whole problem lies with these guys ignorance.

Yep, not many though, we didn't want to draw alot of attention just in hopes of preventing this type of thing from happening. I would be willing to bet that these gaswell attendants saw the bucks I was watching all summer when tending and decided to cast the law and all their ethics aside just to try and tag one of them.


My major concern now is my game cameras that are set-up in the woods, we have 5 digital cameras including 2-Cuddebacks, and a custom made Swamp Ghost digital cam set up, my major concern is that these guys may have walked past the cameras and either tried to steal them or got their picture taken and smashed them. I will be going out in the morning and pulling all the cameras and taking the steps out of the trees that our stands our in and you better believe I will have my cell phone ready to go incase I see one of these guys in there!

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Buck, where were you?

Why wasn't something done after the am fiasco?

I sure as hell would be back there tomorrow and handling the issue or finding names and letting the authorities handle the issue, that's bull.

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Every year I spend the entire off season preparing for bow season,bow hunt ,and then put my orange on ,kill a deer with my mosin nagant,and go back to bowhunting.I`m not trying to bash gun hunters here and I agree with every thing you said except for drives,I hate drives,it`s a good way to see the deer but it gets evey deer in the country spooked and running or trotting,then someone tries to shoot one of these running deer.this my opinion,I know its a reality but I hate drives,let the deer come to you

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I know how you feel. This year I let a nice 6 pt i grunted in walk, because it was early in the seaon and there was an 11 and and 8 out there somewhere. I decided that if another week goes buy and I dont see another mature buck, I will take the 6( the more I thought about it he was a realy nice deer for a 6) After seeing him several more times, but not being able to get him into range, I decided it was my goal for the season to get him. Well on the opening morning I hear gun shots in a state park that theprivate land I hunt on borders. I come to find out that 6 pointer was the intended target. It just kills me that people will hunt where they are not supposed to and think nothing of it.[:@]I'm feeling pretty sick about not taking this buck, when he walked to within 5 yds. Well live and learn I guess.

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Rob, I was on a different property with my grandfather. I went out with him simply because he is getting up there in age and I just get worried when he is in the woods by himself.

As far as the a.m. fiasco, I didn't know about it, my buddy stayed in stand the whole time, he packed a lunch and planned on staying in stand from before sun up till after sunset.

I am thinking about trying to get ahold of the gaswell company that tends the wells on the property and see if I can find out some names, my buddy saw a truck and when he described it to me he described the truck that I saw tending the wells during archery season. I let the landowner know and he wasn't happy about it either, he said that he is going to try and find out who these guys where and get something done about it. This isn't going to be let go of, something will be done about it, and hopefully it will help prevent this from happening to somebody else. I am pretty fortunate that I have alot of good areas to hunt that have little to no pressure, but it doesn't make what these guys did any better.

On a side note, today wasn't all bad, my best-friend took his dad out hunting and his father managed to get his first buck since 1986 and it just so happened to get his biggest, a pretty decent 8 point that was pretty beat up from the rut, he had a large, deep puncture wound in his lower neck from another bucks antlers.

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Man that really is too bad.

It always amazes me how arrogant some people can be.

One of the guys that hunts the same property I do asked me where I had my stands placed this year. Out of courtesy, I told him, that way we could do our best to avoid bumping into each other and ruining a hunt later in the year.

Hunted that stand the first two days without seeing much of anything before I decided to climb down and investigate. I found the other gentleman's stand about 75 yards away with two bales of hay and about 50 lbs or so worth of corn.

I just don't understand people sometimes.

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I agree with Rob, you should have put and end to the morning trespassing incident immediately, and being you know who they were, several calls would have been made to the landowner, the culprits, and the law after you found out they didnt have permission.

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Hope it all works out Jason and they didn't ruin your spot for the rest of the year.

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That's what I do for a living, check gas and oil wells. They call us pumpers here in Okla. I check wells on a lot of good deer hunting land and I wouldn't think of hunting or shootinga deer on one of these properties without permission. That would be a good way to lose one of my customers not to mention getting my ass chewed by the landowner and possibly a visit from the Game Warden.

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I love hunting. Obviously my first choice will be my bow. I used to really enjoy rifle season until recently. Some of you guys out west and in the mid west have no idea what it is like when 10 guys from NYC invade the woods with brand new rifles not even sighted in hooting and hollaring. You hear the stories and just brush it off as just a tale but it is 110% true. I cannot wait until I aquire enough money to purchase about 200 acres of land in the Adirondaks and post the heck out of it. It is truly making me want to give up hunting in this area all together.

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You needed to have a better understanding BEFORE rifle season on who exactly had the rights to be on that property. It didn't do you much good to ask the landowner afterwards if those guys had permission. But now you know.

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Call the gas well company! Pumpers are only allowed to maintain the well. They do not have free rein over the use of the land. Look at the contract between the land owner and the company it states that. Someone could and maybe should get fired over this. I have permission to trap land with wells and have talked to the guys maintaining the wells many times. These guys (on this land anyway) are actually making sure I am supposed to be there and wishing they could use the land to hunt, fish etc.. but know they do not have permission and know the company's stance on the issue. It is bad P.R. and bad bussiness for and gas company to tolerate this behavior. Please, call the company.

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10 GUYS hunting with brand new guns that haven't even been sighted in!:eek:And YOU didn't say how you know this to be a fact or maybe you just like to join a good bash[:'(].Hunters helping hunters end hunting!Nice ring to it eh?

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If it were me I wouldnt even say anything to them if they return,I would simply call the game warden and tell him you have trespassers and let him deal with them.If the land owner has to be the one to call then make a call to the dnr and one to the landowner.Simply shooing them off wont sink in like getting in a little trouble over it.

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I know the feeling -its the same here and they could care less if its posted.They just push piece after piece untill there tired,or out of beer.Buy 1000 acres and build a 12 foot wall arround it and come the next rifle seasion,someone will have a 15 foot ladder against it.