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ABarOfSoap 11-14-2006 04:19 PM

can deer see orange?
 
orange is required during rifle season, i was wondering, can deer see orange better than just regular camo?,
i was thinking of getting that blaze camo orange because it has little black branches colored into it, and that may brake you up better

tschaef 11-14-2006 04:25 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
They cannotdistinguish orange, but they do see the blob not broken up like most other things in nature.
Check your regs, blaze orange must be solid in many places (it is here).

mobow 11-14-2006 04:36 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
I dunno if they can see it or not. I've asked every one of them that I've shot what colors they can see, and wouldn't you know it, I just can't get a straight answer out of them....[8D]

gzg38b 11-14-2006 04:53 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
If you do a search on this forum there are some good research articles from some University scholars. The short answer is the orange just appears gray to them. I'd use an orange camo pattern if its legal.

ABarOfSoap 11-14-2006 04:54 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
i like the way this looks


ABarOfSoap 11-14-2006 05:28 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
heres a cool pic i found



if this pic is true, than i dont get why morepeople dont ware orange all the timewith that tree patter in it, its camo to the deer and a heck of a lot safer, i think im going to wear a vest like that bow hunting, even tho its not required to ware orange than.

SteveBNy 11-14-2006 05:38 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
NYS has no mandatory blaze orange law - therefore the camo style is legal and a great idea.

NYS hunters also have a higher use rate of BO then many states where mandatory.

Steve

Rhody Hunter 11-14-2006 05:38 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
They don't see orange . This is not legal in my state so check your regs

GobblerGetter18 11-14-2006 05:39 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
I don' t care what anyone says It may be safe but those people walking around in orange look stupid, and most scare alot more deer that a "little bit of orange" deer hunters

Higgy15jh 11-14-2006 05:49 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
gobblergetter.. it may look stupid but it can save your life.and if you didnt read the post above.. deer cant see orange so why would that "scare a heck of alot more deer than a "little bit of orange" deer hunters" ??? youll catch me wearing orange especially during rifle season!

SteveBNy 11-14-2006 05:50 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
Lets see - be safe or worry that someone may think it looks stupid?

Guess which is the real stupid choice?

Steve

ABarOfSoap 11-14-2006 05:54 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
i agree, all it can do is help, those broken up branches make it look just like normal camo to deer, since they see that orange color as greenish camo any way. Im definitley using that bow hunting from now on.

ButchA 11-14-2006 06:06 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
I have heard that they can't distinguish orange. It appears as some weird blob to them which doesn't cause any alarm. Also, from what I have read, the color deer CAN see is the color blue. Example: wear a pair of blue jeans and a blue sweatshirt and take a walk in the woods. You will clear an entire forest of deer... [&:]

Butch A.


heeze gutshot shortee 11-14-2006 06:20 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
Abar..where in the sam hill are those mountain lion pics?????Yuk Yuk Yuk


Deer see nothing when their lights get put out!!

ABarOfSoap 11-14-2006 06:34 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
do a little researh and you can find your own, theres 1000s of sightins in ny

bhensley 11-14-2006 06:37 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
As others have stated, the deer cannot see the color orange as shown in your pic but be sure to check your local laws. In Missouri, we cannot wear the camo/break-up orange. Although I think I may get some to use during bow season next year when I am able to hunt larger areas and more of a chance of run-in's with other hunters. Does anyone know the law about this in Kansas? I am planning to move back up there in February.
Brandon

heeze gutshot shortee 11-14-2006 07:19 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
Abar...be nice ....good boy!

AF Hunter 11-14-2006 07:25 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
To heck with whether or not deer can see orange, As a color blind person the orange camo blends in real well with everything else out there. But solid orange I can usually pick out something ain't right and stop to see what is going on. So far, I have been able to make out the outline of a hunter after noticing something is wrong. That is why I am pretty much limited to hunting private land with no one else around. When I hunted in parties in the past, I always had to keep some normal sighted person within eyeshot at all times to make sure I didn't pop a shot when I shouldn't. Really stressed me out!

RIStrutStopper 11-14-2006 08:18 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
I've been dressed in solid orange and one time had a deer walk up to within 5 yards trying to figure out what I was. I didn't have a doe permit that time, I didn't move and she ended up calmly walking away.

bhensley 11-14-2006 08:23 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 

ORIGINAL: RIStrutStopper

I've been dressed in solid orange and one time had a deer walk up to within 5 yards trying to figure out what I was. I didn't have a doe permit that time, I didn't move and she ended up calmly walking away.
I'll bet that was cool but what a bummer!

ABarOfSoap 11-14-2006 09:32 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 

ORIGINAL: bhensley

As others have stated, the deer cannot see the color orange as shown in your pic but be sure to check your local laws. In Missouri, we cannot wear the camo/break-up orange. Although I think I may get some to use during bow season next year when I am able to hunt larger areas and more of a chance of run-in's with other hunters. Does anyone know the law about this in Kansas? I am planning to move back up there in February.
Brandon
yah i checked my law, its ok here, i dont get why the orange brake up would be illegal in some states, that makes no sense.
i dont know about kansas though

matt068 11-15-2006 06:59 AM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
I wear a blaze orange vest when moving to and from my stands. Once in my stand 20-25 ft up I take off my vest and just wear my beanie. I just do this cause I don't like to let people know where I hunt. We have had trouble with a family around here that thinks they can save every living creature during hunting season. We've had them arrested for trespassing but they wear that like a badge of honor. Once the neighbor shot a beauty as they were coming toward his stand pushed the buck right to him. He said the look on their faces as he thanked them was priceless

kevin1 11-15-2006 09:31 AM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
Here's a good guideline for what they can and cannot see:



Yes , they can see orange , especially the flourescent orange required by most states . Use of UV killer will leave the orange visible to humans and legal , but will knock off the glow that the deer would see .

outdoorslover 11-15-2006 09:35 AM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
No they can't see it.

ABarOfSoap 11-15-2006 10:39 AM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
heres what i bough from cabelas, they make a nice goretex hat and that vest. Ill feel alot safer now ;)




Bulzeye 11-15-2006 11:33 AM

RE: can deer see orange?
 

I've been dressed in solid orange and one time had a deer walk up to within 5 yards trying to figure out what I was. I didn't have a doe permit that time, I didn't move and she ended up calmly walking away.
That's the trick. Your camo dosen't even need to blend in that well if youkeep your butt still, and don't stink too bad. :D

Anyway, Kevin put up a nice chart on the black and white rods, and I found another one before I saw his. This one shows the difference in how color is detected due to different numbers of different types of color receptors. It's all about wavelength and having the right tool to see it.



Here is the technical explanation that accompanied the chart above.

These graphs illustrate the difference between the Daylight (color) vision of the Human and the Whitetail deer. Each trace reveals the profile of sensitivity of a single class of receptor. Notice that the deer has only blue peaking and green peaking receptors while the human has a third receptor that is normally referred to as “red” because it gives us the ability to see red light. This third cone makes us far more sensitive to the longer wavelengths (such as blaze orange at 605 nanometers). Notice also that the sensitivities of our blue receptor and the short side of our green receptor are less than that of the deer. This is the result of our Ultraviolet (UV) Filter that is absent in the deer. It makes us unable to see UV and far less sensitive to all wavelengths below 500 nanometers. The color bars illustrate the full range of color and brightness that each would see if deer and human both observed the spectrum in equal brightness.

This is the text for Kevin's chart.
Scotopic or rod vision is the black/white/gray capability in low light conditions at the peak hunting hours when these animals are most active. While deer are clearly superior in low light at all wavelengths, the advantage is greatest at wavelengths where the deer’s sensitivity continues after human vision has ceased (Blocked by the UV Filter). This graph illustrates the extended capability of game animals and birds to see beyond our visible range. Note that at 400 nanometers (where human vision is fully blocked by our UV filter) the game animals have greater sensitivity than humans have for Blaze Orange. For ease of illustration, a logarithmic scale is used to compress the huge advantage in rod sensitivity of the deer.


According to this, not only can they see blue, but they see it better than we can and anything that reflects UV will glow brightlyto them,like Blaze orange does to us. So, don't use UV brighteners in the laundry, and check out your new camo in person before you buy. Don't get anything that glows under blacklight.

HNI_Christine 11-15-2006 01:31 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
I've seen responses in deer that makes me believe the deer see blaze orange. On the other hand, I've had deer walk right up to me during rifle season when I'm covered in blaze orange and hunting on the ground. They don't seem to notice it until they're within ten yards. At that point they'd probably notice me if I were wearing camo.

If you wash/spray UV killer on your blaze orange it becomes less visible to humans at a distance too. Especially in low light conditions. I know, I've tried it. ;)
You're still legal, but it takes away some of the 'safety' of the blaze orange.

footballskrat 11-15-2006 03:47 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
I agree with higgins!
That is just stupid to say that orange scares more deer away, they cant see it so how are they supposed to get scared?
If you are thinking about wearing the hunter orange with brake up, it might not be legal in some states, so make sure it is in yours!

TEmbry 11-15-2006 04:07 PM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
no it doesnt bother them, but solid BO is required in ky rather than BO Camo...it can save you from being shot, butit can be over done. my orange vest is just as visible as your BO jacket.

boomer0878 11-16-2006 05:38 AM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
well the only thing i can say on this subject is that i hunted in upstate new york for about 2 or 3 years with full bo and never saw any deer switched to camo and have been shooting deer ever since so if you ask my opinion yes they can see bo

Buck Huntin Girl 11-16-2006 06:02 AM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
Heck, we can't even have words on our blaze! It has to be completely SOLID to be legal! That being said, I will wear a solid hat and a break up patterned coverall (orange), and I have had success during gun season as well. I shot my 7pt. at about 30 yards, and he was headed straight for me.

I don't know what they can and can't see, NO ONE may *really* know, but I think the biggest thing to remember is to stay still, they can very easily pick off a movement they don't recognize as "natural".

Shootem up870 11-16-2006 07:27 AM

RE: can deer see orange?
 
deer cannot see orange and as stated it does appear just as a gray to them. they may see the uv brightners from your clothes if you wash in normal detergant though which is why you should use some type of scent away laundry detergant because they contain no uv brightners


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