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RE: LAND LEASES BAD FOR HUNTERS?
ORIGINAL: nodog Your already behind the 8 ball. All your fears of the future are hear and then some. The some came in the form of anti hunters are already leasing land from under hunters. Heard about it last year in Maine, but hey Germ, the land owners got to eat also.[:@] It all started because someone didn't want to share the land with others and they throw the land owner a bone. Bones aren't cutting it anymore. I don't foresee me or mine having any problems finding happy hunting grounds though. Just need to be better hunters and neighbors. After all that's what were all about anyways. |
RE: LAND LEASES BAD FOR HUNTERS?
I agree 100%..I've been saying that for years.
Hear in WV more and more hunting clubs.. i tell ya..We are cutting our own throats!! |
RE: LAND LEASES BAD FOR HUNTERS?
I can really see both sides to this issue. It is getting harder and harder to find a place to hunt without paying big bucks. People are getting priced out of the sport. Let's face it - bowhunting is not cheap and it's only getting worse whether you are talking about bows, equipment, or land.
On the other hand, do you really expect landowners to just let people to hunt for free when there are people who are willing to pay them hundreds or thousands of dollars to lease their property? Money talks in this country. The fact of the matter is the rich have greater access to lots of things that the middle class and poor do not. Hunting land is no different. As the middle class shrinks (because people insist on buying Toyotas and other foriegn products instead of supporting US manufacturing industries) the opportunities for "regular" middle class working people are going to shrink as well. That means the rich guys who own the companies that shipped your high paying union manufacturing jobs overseas aregoing tohunt the land that you used to hunt while you struggle to make ends meet by selling your bow and scentlok gear on ebay to supplement your Walmart paycheck. It sucks but thats reality. |
RE: LAND LEASES BAD FOR HUNTERS?
ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: nodog Your already behind the 8 ball. All your fears of the future are hear and then some. The some came in the form of anti hunters are already leasing land from under hunters. Heard about it last year in Maine, but hey Germ, the land owners got to eat also.[:@] It all started because someone didn't want to share the land with others and they throw the land owner a bone. Bones aren't cutting it anymore. I don't foresee me or mine having any problems finding happy hunting grounds though. Just need to be better hunters and neighbors. After all that's what were all about anyways. Farmers and hunters work together. Farmers are farmers, if they can get someone to pay them to get rid of a headache... They're notstupid. They will take whatever the best deal is. |
RE: LAND LEASES BAD FOR HUNTERS?
It's a Capitalist society we live in boys...just the way it is. If you hunt on private land (owned by a local farmer) today, chances are you'll be in a bidding war with the first person that comes up to the landowner and asks them if they would take $2000/year to hunt their 80 acres of timber. Or have a leasing agent knock on their door and tell a struggling farmer that he can get $3000/year from a hunter on a leasing agreement.
Unless the above mentioned farmer is also a dedicated hunter, he'll probably take it. I live in Central IL and this year is the first time I leased property. We pay $2000/year for 100 acres of timber (surrounded by 80 acres of farm land) and I think it's one hell of a deal. One word of advice...if you currently are hunting on private ground for free (and it's not a family member), I would seriously consider offering up some $$ to the landowner for rights to hunt. Doesn't have to be a major chunk of change, but a few hundred $$ is a good start. It's just reality guys...believe me, I don't like to pay $$ to hunt, but if I didn't, then I wouldn't have a place to call my own. Paying for land should be your #1 priority for hunting...not the latest and greatest bow, camo or climbing stand. Just my $.02... |
RE: LAND LEASES BAD FOR HUNTERS?
" don't agree with the point about leasing land to be farmed being the same as hunting it. When someone farms your land they make a profit off from it. Not really the case when someone hunts it. "
My point was,it is in the best interest of the land owner to do with his land as he pleases. If he allows hunting privalegs for free that is wonderful. If the land owner can lease it forfarming, hunting, fishing, recreation, etc. who are we to tell him what to do with his land.The last time I looked,we live in a free country.He owns it, and he must pay taxes on it. If he can generate revenue from any of these leases, to off set his costs, who are we to complain. We live in a capitalistic society. There is nothing free in life. I'm very happy to be in a lease for hunting privaleges.We planto lease the land forlong term. Our members are not trophy hunting, were hunting and harvesting game. We do manage what weharvest and respect the wishes of the land owner. |
RE: LAND LEASES BAD FOR HUNTERS?
It's not a rule nor do you have to live by it especially here in Ohio Yes I saved my money and sacrifice a ton last year so I could lease some land in Ohio. I think the trap a lot of folks fall into is the we need at least 100 acres to hunt. The lease I am looking is not to big or expensive. What I pay in the lease helps the owner pay the property taxes. From the owner mouth not mine. I own land in MI andI have paid to hunt every year.It iscalled property taxes, and they go up every year it seems. I am sorry a package of venison and a stick of sausage does not cover any cost. I am not going to apologize for saving my money, and giving up a ton so I can hunt some land. I would love to just goask folks, but the gentleman from Ill is correct. You may loose your hunting ground if it is free now, I think it sucks, but way it is or is going to be in a lot of states. |
RE: LAND LEASES BAD FOR HUNTERS?
I REALY HATE REAPEATING MY SELF ,BUT LOOKS LIKE I MAY HAVE TO REINTERATE ONCE MORE. IF WE DID'NT HAVE A BUNCH OF SELFISH STUCK UP TROPHY WANNA BE HUNTERS WHO HUNT FOR BRAGGING AND WALLMOUNTSAND GREAT WISHES OF BECOMING ANOTHER TELEVISION ICON WITH NO REGARDS FOR THE REST OF THE PUBLIC HUNTING MASSSES,THEN MAYBE WE COULD KEEP THE TRADITION OF HUNTING BOTH AFFORDABLE AND ENJOYABLE FOR ALL FOLKS NOT JUST THOSE WHO USE HUNTING TO OVER COMPENSATE FOR THEIR PHYSCIAL TRAITS (HINT,HINT). THESE SO CALLED PRO WANTA BE'S ONLY LEASE LAND BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID THEY CAN NOT COMPETE WITH REAL MEN OR WOMEN WHO LOCALY HUNTON THE FARMERS AND LAND OWNERS PROPERTY AND NEIGHBORHOODS. BY RENTING ANDLEASING THESE PROPERTIES THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE ENSURING THEMSELVES A PLACE IN VICTORY AND BRAGGING. IN MY OPINION , THE FARMERS AND LAND OWNERS WOULD STILL BE LETING THE LOCALS HUNT AND MANAGE THE HERDS IF IT WERE'NT FOR THE RICH AND HUNTING SNOB PRO WANTA BE'S. HOW ARE WE MANAGING THE DEER HERDS IF ONLY TROPHY HUNTERS THAT SEEK WALL MOUNTS AND BRAGGING RIGHTS WERE ALLOWED TO HUNT. THEY CARE NOTHING ABOUT HERD MANAGEMENT OR FEEDING THEIR FAMILIES OR FRIENDS.
IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE THE HUNTING OF THE FUTURE THEN MAYBE A PERCENTAGE OF THE FARMERS AND LAND OWNERS PROFITS SHOULD BE TAKEN FOR THE PROTECTION AND MANAGEMENT OF LOCAL AND STATE WILD LIFE. |
RE: LAND LEASES BAD FOR HUNTERS?
My thought, it's not leasing that's ruining hunting, it's urban sprawl and population growth in general that's the root cause of the problem.
It's not the leaser's fault. Someone is now willing to pay $500 to hunt their 40 that is just sitting there. 20 years ago there was much more wooded land and less people = no demand for leases. You can't stop supply and demand! ok, holler, I agreed with you to some extent when you started the thread. now i think you are going off the deep end. Most leasers aren't looking for endorsements or looking to compensate for physical traits. They are just looking for a place to hunt. You can't blame someone for leasing land. everyone admits it's harder to find land to hunt. if spending $1000 to hunt didn't bother you financially, and you had nowhere else to hunt, you would do it too! |
RE: LAND LEASES BAD FOR HUNTERS?
ORIGINAL: holler critter I REALY HATE REAPEATING MY SELF ,BUT LOOKS LIKE I MAY HAVE TO REINTERATE ONCE MORE. IF WE DID'NT HAVE A BUNCH OF SELFISH STUCK UP TROPHY WANNA BE HUNTERS WHO HUNT FOR BRAGGING AND WALLMOUNTSAND GREAT WISHES OF BECOMING ANOTHER TELEVISION ICON WITH NO REGARDS FOR THE REST OF THE PUBLIC HUNTING MASSSES,THEN MAYBE WE COULD KEEP THE TRADITION OF HUNTING BOTH AFFORDABLE AND ENJOYABLE FOR ALL FOLKS NOT JUST THOSE WHO USE HUNTING TO OVER COMPENSATE FOR THEIR PHYSCIAL TRAITS (HINT,HINT). THESE SO CALLED PRO WANTA BE'S ONLY LEASE LAND BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID THEY CAN NOT COMPETE WITH REAL MEN OR WOMEN WHO LOCALY HUNTON THE FARMERS AND LAND OWNERS PROPERTY AND NEIGHBORHOODS. BY RENTING ANDLEASING THESE PROPERTIES THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE ENSURING THEMSELVES A PLACE IN VICTORY AND BRAGGING. IN MY OPINION , THE FARMERS AND LAND OWNERS WOULD STILL BE LETING THE LOCALS HUNT AND MANAGE THE HERDS IF IT WERE'NT FOR THE RICH AND HUNTING SNOB PRO WANTA BE'S. HOW ARE WE MANAGING THE DEER HERDS IF ONLY TROPHY HUNTERS THAT SEEK WALL MOUNTS AND BRAGGING RIGHTS WERE ALLOWED TO HUNT. THEY CARE NOTHING ABOUT HERD MANAGEMENT OR FEEDING THEIR FAMILIES OR FRIENDS. IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE THE HUNTING OF THE FUTURE THEN MAYBE A PERCENTAGE OF THE FARMERS AND LAND OWNERS PROFITS SHOULD BE TAKEN FOR THE PROTECTION AND MANAGEMENT OF LOCAL AND STATE WILD LIFE. When we start telling folks what or how to hunt we start down a slippery slope. I am for freedom of choice, hunt what you want, shoot what you want. I will be the first to say great job:) I love the compensate arguement, same one the ARA use. Some hunters just like a challenge, and most do not want to be on TV who try to shoot a mature buck. You keep labeling hunters, meat, trophey, etc. Maybe one day we will learn we are all hunters with a choice. The choice is the greatest gift of all. One day we may not have a choice, withno one to blame but ourselves. |
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