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WHAT DO YOU CALL SHOOTING DEER OVER BAIT OR AT FEEDERS?

WELL I DONT CALL IT HUNTING I CALL IT DEER KILLING,SIMPLE AS CATCHING FISH IN A BARREL WITH A NET.

PEOPLE THAT CALL THAT HUNTING DONT KNOW WHAT HUNTING REALLY IS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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I believe in 100% Fair Chase and 100% Wild..

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I believe in hunting without bait, but I won't put anyone down for hunting over it themselves.

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I think you need to take caps lock off if you want anyone to take you seriously.

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do you hunt voer food plots corn feilds acorns apples ifnot i have no idea what kkeps the deer on your property............. and if you do youare a baiter just that simple and dont put anyone down for doing something legal they are your huntin bros to and stand up for hunting so why do you want to drive them away

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I hear ya on the baiting, but I hunt in northern michigan where the deer numbers have been down a bit. So the only way we have been able to get deer to come onto our property is by putting up a feeder. But in the southern part of the state I don't bait, I use more scent 'n' grunting tactics.

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Personally, I won't hunt over bait; it just doesn't seem highly sporting to me. But if someone is feeding their family with what they shoot, I wouldn't find any fault in doing so. Actually, I wouldn't fault anyone for doing so, if that's what they want to do. I just wouldn't do it myself; I hunt in the forest in the mountains because I like the challenge of really wild game. IMO faulting someone for hunting over bait is like a baseball player faulting someone for only playing slow pitch softball. Sure, baseball is more challenging than slow pitch, but if someone enjoys slow pitch, why should that bother me if it makes them happy?

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Ohh geesh here wwe go again!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thank you.

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I think if you are going to hunt over bait you may as well just cut to the chase and buy a spotlight and go out deer jacking at night ........... Same results.

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Im keeping my mouth shut....

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Why do you guys care what someone else does? It is none of your business how someone else hunts or what they do on their property. Do you think you are a better person because you hunt over a trail instead of a bait pile? If thats how you want to hunt, then good for you. There is no need to talk trash about someone else doing something that theyenjoy doing andis perfectly legal. Keep your superiority complex to yourself.

Na Na I'm better than you because I don't bait. Your a dumb dumb if you do. I'm rubber and your glue.......etc.

Get the point???????

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Why is it that there's a different thread on baiting every other day out here? Go back a few pages and reply to one of the hundreds of baiting threads already hashed around.

Fetz, nicely put.

If you don't think hunting over bait is hunting, then sell your stuff and go join PETA for the sake of Pete! Get off it. If you're not going to side with your fellow hunters but rather be against them, then I suggest a lifetime membership with HSUS is in order.

Good grief.

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I don't and won't hunt over bait. It really doesn't matter though cause it's not legal where I hunt. If you do hunt over bait and it's legal who can tell you otherwise.

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Perhaps you need to come to south Texas (not on a ranch either, a REAL hunting scenario), and see how long you sit between deer sightings without baiting. There is very little natural food down here, so the baiting really helps the herds health. And mostly all deer activity over bait here is at night, so there is never a garuntee of even seeing a deer.

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And I will pay for your membership!!

My Grampa baits here in MI, has for 25 years. He is truly a great man, and I have a ton respect for him.

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hunting over bait is not hunting. It is sitting and waiting for an animal to come in to your pile of food placed in the woods or wherever you are hunting (sitting).. Hunting is actually getting off your rear end and searching for rubs/scrapes, actual real food sources and outsmarting your buck/doe whichever. I am not one to preach but baiting is just plain old cheating. Anyone can carry a bucket of apples in the woods and sit 50 yards away with the 30-06 and pick off deer one by one but what fun is that? I personally like to challenge myself and see how good my skills are in actual real life hunting situations. I'd rather go 5 years without a bow kill than have to throw 100 pounds of corn 20 yards from my stand to get a decent buck.

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Just as I think I'm out, I get sucked back in. Arggghhh!!!!![:@]

"Cheating"? "Real life hunting situations"? Smoke a few more hog legs, Skip! You've never hunted over bait I presume... have you ever even hunted? If so then you must be congnisant of a deer's senses, right? Regardless if you get within bow range by setting up over "rubs/scrapes, actual real food sources" (and everyone has enough land to be that selective, right?) or bait, you still have to close the deal, no? Why does it matter what placed the deer within bow range be it scent, stand placement, rattling, calls, luck, bait, whatever? Sitting and waiting for a deer to come into a bait pile is much different than sitting and waiting for a deer to come into a natural food source (bait), or to a rub line or scrape, right? Some of you people blow my mind. :(

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buckmaster......looks like another pissin contest...drink up....as for me...Im going out to kill and kill some more

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Hunting over bait is a tactic like anything else. If you hunt over a trail, then are essentially doing the same thing--waiting on a deer that you KNOW is going to come by. How is that any less cheating? Based on this logic that hunting over bait is cheating just because you know a deer is going to come (even though you really don't), then it seems that hunting over a trail or using camouflage or rattling or hunting over acorns is the exact same thing. Heck, you shouldn't even be using a broadhead if hunting over bait is cheating, you should have to hit them with a brick. A broadhead is just too easy.

You wouldn't criticize a bobcat for hunting rabbits where rabbits like to feed, would you? We are predators too, and we do what we know works. That is called smart hunting, not cheating. You have to go where the game is, or find some way to bring them in. That is called tactics. I can tell you this...I can't wait to climb over my feeder stand this weekend as soon as I get the chance. I hope a deer comes into the corn and that I harvest that deer.

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You should do it like the real hunters used to, use a club, wear a loin cloth, and ambush them. If you use scents, you're cheating! If you use camoflauge, you're cheating! If you hunt off the ground (still illegal in some states) you're cheating! If you use a firearm or a modern bow, you're cheating! If you use any manmade call to lure them in you're cheating! If you use magnifying optics, you're cheating! If you use dogs (illegal in most states but not all) you're cheating! To each his own

Give me a break. How can a hunter judge another hunter for using legal methods to take an animal is beyond me.:eek:

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bait is for fish not deer.

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Lol. All you holyer than thoughand high and mighty always crack me up. I assume none of you Davy Crockets have ever hunted a food plot, edge of a field, trail leading to feeding grounds, staging areas, oak/apple/persimmon trees, and I assume you all use a self bow and use no camo lures, scents, or anything else to your advantage. What is a natural fruit tree??? Ummmm a bait pile. You better not hunt that. What is a trail, a place you know the deer are traveling on, you cant hunt that. Yall simply crack me up.

Lets get a thread started here as to why all you compound hunters are not hunters. If your bow is made from multiple parts, made of non natural materials, you are not a hunter. If you do no shoot a bow made of one piece of wood and you do not shoot off the knuckle, then you are not a hunter. Ill join in on that. I call that deer killing. A compound doesn't take any real practice to be proficient.Ive hunted with bows for over 25 years. Ive done it in every way possible. I use trad bows (self bows and laminate),compounds, and rifles. I do not limit myself.I ask you mighty hunters, what kind of bow you use? By you posting here, I can only assume you use a compound. Thats funny. You are the real deal, let me tell you. Get out and get you a long bow and shoot off the knuckle, then come back and finish your name calling. Because I choose to use a trad bow90% of the time, that wouldmake me a much better hunter than you compound hunters, or at least by the logic you super studs are spewing. If you really want to get in a pissing contest, come with me on a stalk using noting but long bows and ash shafts. I bet you change your tone.

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[/align]How does that feel. Because I use a trad bow most of the time does not give me the right to berate you, I would hope you are man enough to not berate others practice. Or I guess you high and mighty people love to place wedges between us hunters creating a divide the antis love to see. Just keep it up.
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I have a feeder on the land I hunt. I don't hunt over it....but I have a stand there in case my son wants to. He hasn't. We supplemental feed to keep a reason for the deer to travel through our 24 acre woodlot.

I'm planting a 1 acre food plot there, next year....and putting the feeder behind the house so that we may watch the deer, there. I'm going to put treestands around that food plot that will ABSOLUTELY draw 3x more deer in.....so that I can be a "real", "non-cheating hunter like some of you. The food plot will ABSOLUTELY make it easier to kill deer in that SAME SPOT. I've never taken a deer over bait. If you think hunting a 1 acre foodplot is "natural" or "fair-Chase".....then I want a hit off that same joint you're smokin', too.

Jeff

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I apologize for being an opinionated NY'er ... can you guys do me a favor and put some nyquil or sleeping pills in the corn or apples? That way you can just wait them out and slit their throats while passed out. All I am saying is the "hunting" methods described here would brand you a poacher and land you in jail without a hunting license for life in NY. It IS possible that your state legislators are poachers that created the baiting rule that has now passed on to state residents for years and years.

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Lol. come on down to Texas and ill take you on a knife hunt. There are places here you can only use knives for wild boar. If you dont piss your self, you just might realize how ignorant your rant is.

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A pompus NY'er is a better fit! IMO

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lol.....

You guys elected Billary. Yeah....I wanna be JUST like yous guys!

Jeff

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don't blame me I didn't vote for her

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I hope you know how crazy it sounds to hear someone from NY preach to me about ethics and what's fair.

I tell ya......I NEEDED that one!

jeff

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Dont go saying that baiting deer is like shooting fish in a barrel, I hunt in Northern MI and baiting is about the only way to hunt up here and every person i know that hunts up here uses bait and it is not that easy. Unless you have hunted over bait yourself you should not be saying its not hunting and its like shooting fish in a barrel, come up here sometime and try hunting with bait and you will see that it is not that easy and is still very much hunting.

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Good rant, Burnie. You hit on something important here I do believe - there are many degrees of hunting difficulty. Although my weapon of choice is my trusty Hoyt compound, I have taken one deer with my recurve. Why only one? I simply don't have the time to keep up on being proficient enough with it to warrant taking it to the woods with me. For me, it is more of a challenge, just as if I were to be hunting with a spear, or with hand made deer skin moccasins running the deer down and fighting them to their death. Does a bait pile provide an advantage? Yes it does and as Burnie and others have pointed out for years, so does camo and calls and scents and setting up over food plots or well used trails.

Bottom line here is what a particular hunter uses to take game (legally) is up to them and also to decide the degree of difficulty they wish to place on the hunt. There is nothing wrong with that, at all.



With all sarcasm and aggrivation aside, please answer this: Why would you want to take any rights away from hunters?

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Thanks Badshot. It just gets under my skin when someone wants to feel better about themselves by bashing others. I take friends out with rifles to shot a deer over a bait pile. I do this because they dont care to get into bow hunting, and like to take a deer and put in the freezer. It also adds them to the, "friends of hunters list". I like to crawl around with a stick bow and challenge myself. I do it because thats what I like, I never had any intention on changing the hunting world with it, or use it to look down on others. I can only imagine how bent some here get when they see all the big city guys who never practice with any weapon, borrow a rifle and set in an elevated, inclosed blind with a heater and shoot a deer at 150 yards. I bet that really gets under their skin. It saddens me how some bowhunters are trying like hell to kill hunting all together by attacking other hunters over their methoids. If its legal, who cares.

If yall want to really be hunters, in the true meaning of the words "fair chase" (which is such a preverted use of the words by hunters), get out nude and kill a deer with your hands. Any weapon is an unfair advantage. (remember fair chase ). Camo is an unfair advantage, etc. etc. (wheres the FAIR CHASEin making yourself invisible to the deer). I just love to see these threads, especially when I hear these guys talk about using scents or decoys on other threads, as well as their modern compound bows.:eek:

Ill quit my ranting now.

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i see some people in here that bait say they need to or they will not seeor get deer?

so what is hunting.well i call it finding sign and a good trail and waiting.i hunt in mass and theres not alot of deer out here but i seem to get them without baiting or feeders.

p.s whats with the cap comments?

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I shoot 2 bucks a season in northern michigan on state land, I dont use bait and I never will. There are many excuses to say that baiting is the only way to kill them. There are also many books to teach you how to hunt.;)

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Tell me this, though:how do you find the deer on that state land? Do you look for acorns or any other type of feed? If you do, you are using a type of bait. Do you hunt over a deer trail? If you do, you are hunting over a pathway that leads to feed, which is not much different than hunting over bait. Do you hunt scrapes and rubs? Well, that is an attractant just like bait. Do you use calls? That is an attractant just like bait. Do you rattle them in? That is an attractant just like bait.Again,if a bobcat kills its rabbits in a place where he knows that rabbits feed, is he an unethical bobcat? No, he's a smart bobcat.

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My mommy says any bad person who hunts over bait isn't a real hunter or even a real man. Geez, this board is getting pathetic with posts like this and the circle jerk bashing scent lok. Keep popping them spikes and telling us how you play the wind and the old Indian tricks you use. Hilarious.

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As for myself, hunting isnt 100% about shooting a deer, but it sure is nice to at least see something, and baiting helps. Not everybody has access to giant tracts of farmland or natural persimmon or oak trees that keep the deer patterned goin from their beds to the trees every day and pretty much nowhere else. I hunt woods of maple and swamps of cedar, and the property is 2 hrs away, not in my backyard or in my neighbor's farmyard, so i cant spend 20 hours a week scouting and finding sign that im sure is there because ive seen it hardcore paths to my stands. We hunt permanent stands and go to deer camp for the comradery, id honestly say if for some reason none of the guys who come to our deer camp were able to hunt, we would still go up early the day before season starts, and stay til thanksgiving just to shoot the breeze and talk smart and play cards. But the fact is we get up early and hit the stands in hopes of just seeing something. Our buck pots (biggest and first) went unclaimed last year because nobody even saw a buck. think of that, 9 guys hunting 7 out of 9 days of the season over about 400 acres, and not a single guy even saw a buck, thats with baiting. so those of you who say its like shooting fish in a barrel, i hope u mean shooting w/ a pellet gun into a barrel the size of an olympic swimming pool at minnow sized fish, cuz it is by no means an easy task. and i probably shouldnt bring this up, but i will, cuz everybody else got to speak their minds. what do all you hardcore anti-baitersthink about baiting bears? you've got to be entirely against that if you're going to bash fellow HUNTERS about baiting deer. i hate to fan this flame but its sad that i feel like i have to defend my way of hunting.

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again, hunting where you are and hunting here are like hunting two different countries. The plots of land here are so large that the deer are not pushed unnaturally. There is also not enough water(rain) to grow food plots, etc to attract deer. If I didnt want to kill a deer, I wouldnt be hunting. Simple as that. I hunt because I love venison. If I didnt want to harvest a deer, I wouldnt carry a bow or rifle out in the field, only binoculars.

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100% wild 100% fair chase here