Whisker Biscuit.. Out or Down?
 

Guys... Do you have your cock feather out or down with the whisker biscuit? I have been shooting with it down and have it paper tuned but it's wreaking havoc on my vanes. Any advice???

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Up. Keeps from hitting the top of the bottom bracket.

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Cock vane must be up for the wb to work properly. The black bristles are stiffer than the brown bristles. You don't want your vanes to have to pass through the black bristles. That's why the cock vane has to be up.

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Yup, up is the way to go with the WB.

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cock feather up

Tim

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I must have had my head under a rock, cause I swear that's the first time I've heard about the cock feather going up. It does make sense, though. I've been shooting with it on the side all this time. My groups are very nice, so I can only imagine what will happen when I turn my nocks. Curiously, I haven't noticed any wear on any of the vanes that may have been caused by coming in contact with the ring or bottom bracket. I'll turn my nocks anyway and let you know what happens in a few days.

Axel

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Up, it's the only way to go with the Bisquit.

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Actually I have tried cock vane up and cock vane down and see no difference in my shooting.
I shoot feathers, maybe that makes the difference?

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The cock feather should be up when shooting vanes. I suspect the reason the feathers don't make a difference is because they will collapse slightly providing more clearance from the bottom. I still would not do this because as stated the black bristles are stiffer than the brown as they support the arrow. This will eventually lead to your feathers wearing sooner.

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I was told the same thing about three weeks ago. Cock feather up. So I tried up and sent arrows all over the place. Switched back to cock feather out and the group tightened up. Could be user error or just one mans opinion.

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I have always shot mine cock vain out. It gives me clearance to the strings and everything else. I am not saying that if I try it "up" it will not improve things, but I have tried to watch how everything fits together and that was what I came up with. But my curiousity is peaked and will check it both ways soon, just to make sure.

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I shoot mine "out" as well...after the advice of my local bow shop pro. She has never been wrong yet and now thinking back on the conversation she said.."out or up, makes no difference". I think I'll do a test to see if the groups change, but will wait until after the season.

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Down! You shouldnt be seeing much wear and tare on any of your feathers if youre tuned properly, And it really shouldnt make much difference which way. I have shot mine in every direction and they always hit the same spot. I have some preactice arrows I have used for 4 years with the original fletchings on them, each arrow has well over 5-7,000 shots. If youre seeing too much wear and tare on your fletchings retune your rest slightly. Make sure its perfectly square.

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I don't shoot a WB, I shoot a drop away w/the cock vane up. An advantage of this for me at least is I can tuck my chin right into the crook between the cock vane and the left vane resulting in another anchor point.

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I have shot with the cock feather up and out but never down. I have been trying to find a secret formula for keeping blazer vanes on my arrows with no avail. They just will not stay on there, so it's either switch to feathers or buy a drop away.

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Ive been shooting with it OUT also..i mght have to try it with the vane up though.

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I've shot both ways and it doesn't really matter BUT up will give you the most clearance.

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Cock vane up...however, the WB is going to destroy your vanes. That is the main reason I switched to a drop away. I was re-fletching arrows all the time with a WB. Now that I have a drop away...I re-fletch a whole lot less.

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I would line up my cock vayne with the opening where the arrow goes in. I see no prob with it.

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This all really has me bugged... I had vain problems with my W.B. in the beginning. They were not being torn off, just geting real messed up and wavy. I switched to Blazer vains 2 years ago, and I have never had another vain messed up, and certainly none torn off. All of my blazers are in mint condition. I just have to ask myself what people could be doing or have wrong with their set up. I have read post's where people are buying new rests and chucking their W.B. for that sole reason. But I absolutely love my W.B. I just don't understand.

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Because spending $100+ on a drop away is an easier fix than buying a $40 re-fletching tool, $30for blazers,$4 for goat tuff glue, and learning how to refletch your own arrows with blazers;)

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I purchased a WB last season and had the same issues with my vanes getting jacked up. Truthfully, I can't tell you which way my cock vane was positioned, because I did not realize that it made a difference. Dumb on my part!! I just put the WB on my sons bow yesterday so I'll make sure when we get his arrows that the vanes are positioned correctly!!

I did switch to a drop away rest this season and have noticed that some of my arrows have still made contact with the rest (kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?). My bow is at the proshop right now for adjustments and they called yesterday and said that they believe my arrows are too short for my new setup (rest). I was also noticing that my arrows wanted to come off the launcher at full draw, but I read in one post where that is usually caused by nock/d-loop pinch. Thought it would be a quick fix, but guess I was wrong!

Interesting post!

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Personally, I don't think it makes a difference if it is up or out. I just wouldn't recommend putting it down. Just my opinion though. I have shot them both up and out and seem to group fine all the way out to 40 yards. Which is as far as I will shoot.

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If you have the old style bisquit it shouldn't matter. All of the fibers were the same.

If you have black fibers on the bottom, you've got the new style and "should" shoot with cock vane up or to the side, although it will still work cock vane down, your accuracy will likely suffer a bit since there will be a different amount of resistance going through the stiffer fibers.

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I just put on my new WB this week. at first I was shooting cock feather down until a buddy of mine told me that it should be up. I switched it around, but it didn't change my shot placement at all. I figure that it will save my veins though.

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sounds like most of you shoudl go to the good old feathers. they hold up better than plastic veins.

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I've been shooting the same arrows, with the same veins, through the same WB for about 2.5 years now and never had a vein ruined...or even slightly effected by my WB. For awhile I did mistakenly shoot with the vein down, but was corrected by our local shop owner. When I made the change, there was zero change in my point of impact.

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I use a Biscuit and yes, my vanes are waveybut honestly it doesn't affect my arrow flight at all, like you would think it would.When I first experienced this I went to the pro shop and asked about it and my buddy said if you watch an arrow during flight in slow motion you will see the vanes become wavey naturally and doesn't affect the flight at all.
I found this intresting but he was right. My arrows fly consistantly with each shot. They do look funky though.;)

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Thanks to all for the info. Cock feather up and problem solved. I shot until my arm couldn't take it anymore and my vanes look like brand new and are flying more true to form. The rotation did not change my shot pattern at all, which was cool. It never dawned on me to try cock feather up, but you were spot on with your assessment. Thanks and good luck in the timber ;).

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Cock feather needs to be up...