RE: tying on a loop..
 

thank you all. i bought a pack tonight and tied one on. simple. no problems. first time the knots were loose and it turned out to be way to big. tightened it down and its perfect. thanx everyone

KCMO...thats a good idea..i never thought of that but i should..when i save stuff like that and go back sometimes the pics are no longer hosted and i cant find them again. if i save them they will be on my PC forever. thanx im going to start doing that.