When I bought my Martin Phantom Magnum, it was set at 27", but uses modules for DL adjustment from 25-30". After calling around I found A shop here in Houston that carries Martin and happened to have a spare set of draw modules for my bow! So now set at 29.5", IT FITS!!! I bought 4 new arrows(31" long stick out 3.5-4" past the WB)thinking that my old ones wouldn't work that they'd be too short, but since I'm using a WB they're just barely long enough. I may try to refletch them with feathers(since I shot off the blazers and generally prefer feathers anyways) and try them and see if I can pick up some fps from the shorter arrows. Also, the new arrows have vanes and they're starting to get really wavy...

Also had a shurzapeep and kisser button installed. Now I'm shooting a consistant 2" sometimes 3" group at 20 yds. I guess it's enough for deer hunting, but I still want better. The arrows look like they're flying true, but I still need to paper and bare-shaft tune the bow. All in all, I still suspect that it's my form that is the limiting factor. I group fairly well, but the groups are never in the same place. 1 group will be 2" high and 3" left, the next 2" low and 3" right and vice-a-versa, etc etc.... This reeks of inconsistant form from group to group. Am I right?

sounds good. make sure your shooting the same arrows! cant shoot diffrent brands/models/legnths etc and expect them to be consistant! dont know if your shooting the diffrent ones or not. since you got your draw figured out figure out if the spine will be alright if you trim your new arrows to proper size. no sense in shooting 3 or 4 inches long if you dont have to right?? thats wierd any shop let you walk out without having them cut?

about your groups...youll get there....sounds like your new to archery..or this was a new bow..takes practice and consistancy. i still dont see how in the heck a LEVEL on your sites will help..i dont see why you cant have it not level...but it makes a BIG diffrence. grip does also. all my hand is there to do is kinda push forward. my bow will slightly jump after the shot, but even without a wrist sling its not bad. it can take some getting used to to get pins to settle at full draw too. the first couple days i was real shakey because i wasnt used to holding a bow back. now they settle quick and easy. i went from 3-4 inch groups at 15yds when i first started shooting about a month ago to slamming shafts at 35yds. practiced my butt off..and if there isnt a strong wind and the shot is clear i wont hesitate a 35yd shot on a deer now. i didnt think my range would be that far this season. consistancy is key. work on your form/anchor/grip/release etc. itll all fall in place and youll feel comfortable shooting and be more consitant. keep at it and good luck!

I don't shoot thru a WB, but I'm wondering if using feathers through one would be such a good idea? Does anybody have experience with that? If your blazers are fletched correctly, they should hold up fine through a WB.

The WB wasnt what killed the blazers.... even with the bow being a good 3 inches too short for me I managed to knock them off at the target. IfI was consistantly grouping that tightly I would be braggin about it, but alas, that's not the case. Just flukes. Everything I've heard from those

I'm almost ashamed to say where I bought the new arrows from.I normally would ever buy arrows from Walmart, but I needed something to send down range but couldnt afford a half dozen from the shop. Picked up 4 Carbon Express Terminatorswith vanes and inserts for 6.50 a peice.

I'm by no means new to archery, I've shot since I was 8 years old. But sold my bow for grocery money about 4 yrs ago.(I know I know...) I think the culprit is anchor point. I wonder if I'm changing itbetween every group...

well glad to hea r you are gettin there
the kissser will help you on that bow i am tellin you and you may want to keep the blazers because feathers tore up wuite easily

Davoh........dont be ashamed to buy them from walmart! im a freshman in high school managing school, football, and deer hunting. all my stuff comes from walmart. and on top of that i just streched out the nerves in my shoulder so i cant play till like next month and i dont no about deer season yet.

I had this same problem when I went to a new bow (x-tec). My groups were good, just inconsistent. I was used to shooting with a "high-wrist" grip on my old High Country so that's how I kept trying to grip my new Hoyt. Once I figured out what I was doing everything lined out.