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Might Mite 08-29-2006 06:50 PM

Cocaine hole
 
Pic of the hole. The deer is standing in it...up to the jionts of her front leg. Last year I dumped it on the ground, and this year it is that deep already.

Might Mite 08-29-2006 06:52 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
another pic of her standing in the hole...I know this takes me out of the "fair chase" ctaegory, but oh well.

early in 08-29-2006 07:00 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
Yes that takes you out of the "fair chase" category and puts you in the "not legal" category if your hunting that spot in Pa.[:@]

PA Bow/Flinter 08-29-2006 07:30 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 

ORIGINAL: early in

Yes that takes you out of the "fair chase" category and puts you in the "not legal" category if your hunting that spot in Pa.[:@]
My thoughts exactly!

Matt/TN 08-29-2006 07:42 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
ive never had much luck out of the stuff


tkycaller 08-29-2006 07:50 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 

Sec. 2308. Unlawful devices and methods.

(a) General rule. - Except as otherwise provided in this title, it is unlawful for any person to hunt or aid, abet, assist or conspire to hunt any game or wildlife through the use of:

(8) Any artificial or natural bait, hay, grain, fruit, nut, salt, chemical, mineral or other food as an enticement for game or wildlife, regardless of kind and quantity, or take advantage of any such area or food or bait prior to 30 days after the removal of such material and its residue.
Nothing contained in this subsection shall pertain to normal or accepted farming, habitat management practices, oil and gas drilling, mining, forest management activities or other legitimate commercial or industrial practices. Upon discovery of such baited areas, whether prosecution is contemplated or not, the commission may cause a reasonable area surrounding the enticement to be posted against hunting or taking game or wildlife. The posters shall remain for 30 days after complete removal of the bait.

Then is it also illegal to hunt over a single apple tree, oaks, hickorys, hay fields not being farmed, wheat etc?
I am assuming that a food plot is considered habitat management practices.

Might Mite 08-29-2006 08:30 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
Again...these pics are from WV....I got the camera this weekend while we were down at our farm. I know the PA laws fellas.



ORIGINAL: PA Bow/Flinter


ORIGINAL: early in

Yes that takes you out of the "fair chase" category and puts you in the "not legal" category if your hunting that spot in Pa.[:@]
My thoughts exactly!

Might Mite 08-29-2006 08:45 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
Great point. We always had this debate...in WV you can bait, and other states as well. The same person crying bait..bait will sit by a well used trail heading right into an orchard or corn field....never understood that.


ORIGINAL: tkycaller


Sec. 2308. Unlawful devices and methods.

(a) General rule. - Except as otherwise provided in this title, it is unlawful for any person to hunt or aid, abet, assist or conspire to hunt any game or wildlife through the use of:

(8) Any artificial or natural bait, hay, grain, fruit, nut, salt, chemical, mineral or other food as an enticement for game or wildlife, regardless of kind and quantity, or take advantage of any such area or food or bait prior to 30 days after the removal of such material and its residue.
Nothing contained in this subsection shall pertain to normal or accepted farming, habitat management practices, oil and gas drilling, mining, forest management activities or other legitimate commercial or industrial practices. Upon discovery of such baited areas, whether prosecution is contemplated or not, the commission may cause a reasonable area surrounding the enticement to be posted against hunting or taking game or wildlife. The posters shall remain for 30 days after complete removal of the bait.

Then is it also illegal to hunt over a single apple tree, oaks, hickorys, hay fields not being farmed, wheat etc?
I am assuming that a food plot is considered habitat management practices.

PA Bow/Flinter 08-29-2006 08:48 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 

ORIGINAL: Might Mite

Again...these pics are from WV....I got the camera this weekend while we were down at our farm. I know the PA laws fellas.



ORIGINAL: PA Bow/Flinter


ORIGINAL: early in

Yes that takes you out of the "fair chase" category and puts you in the "not legal" category if your hunting that spot in Pa.[:@]
My thoughts exactly!

Thanks for the clarification!

Might Mite 08-29-2006 08:49 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
no problem....that's how rumors get started lol.

Reacher 08-29-2006 09:21 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 

ORIGINAL: Might Mite

Again...these pics are from WV....I got the camera this weekend while we were down at our farm. I know the PA laws fellas.
You say the word "Again" as if you told us in the very first post that these pics were from WV. You didn't. Since all we had to go by was your location, we came to the easiest conclusion. ;)

I have considered using Deer Cain but I always heard mixed results about it. It's ok to bait in TX btw. :D

Might Mite 08-29-2006 09:30 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
The word "Again" was for PA bow/flinter...I had addressed it to him in an earlier post. About the coke...always had great results with it.

Reacher 08-29-2006 10:23 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
hmmm, might have to try it.

Anthony T. 08-29-2006 11:53 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
So it's illegal to bait? or to hunt by the bait? If you can bait then you guys jumped the gun on Mighty. :D

Reacher 08-30-2006 12:52 AM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
In some states you can bait and in others you can't. It just depends on local laws.

alleganydeerslayer 08-30-2006 01:05 AM

RE: Cocaine hole
 

ORIGINAL: early in

Yes that takes you out of the "fair chase" category and puts you in the "not legal" category if your hunting that spot in Pa.[:@]
Can't bait in NY either...and I'm glad of it!

Reacher 08-30-2006 01:12 AM

RE: Cocaine hole
 

ORIGINAL: alleganydeerslayer


ORIGINAL: early in

Yes that takes you out of the "fair chase" category and puts you in the "not legal" category if your hunting that spot in Pa.[:@]
Can't bait in NY either...and I'm glad of it!
I read an article either last year or the year before about how the author was going to hunt in Texas and anticipated no challenge because we can bait. After several days of being busted by the cagiest does and bucks he had ever seen, he realized that just because you can bait, doesn't mean the deer just line up and fall over for ya. :D

Might Mite 08-30-2006 04:27 AM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
so true reacher. And what is the difference b/w that and sitting smack dab in the middle of an orchard I know they visit every evening, or along a well used trail leading into a corn field?

early in 08-30-2006 07:11 AM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
Sorry Might, didn't mean to makeany false accusations but initially you didn't mention WV. You raise a great point about hunting oaks, hickory and other nut producing trees, not to mention crops and fruit producing trees.:)


huntingson 08-30-2006 08:14 AM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
I go through 100 pounds of corn a week in two "baiting" sites. I don't hunt over them though because I have never in my life seen even a decent buck come to bait. In fact, I have seen them go out of their way to avoid the area. I know others have had the exact opposite experience, but for around here, I set out "bait" to keep the does around and then use them as my real bait come the rut.

tkycaller 08-30-2006 08:01 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
So why is deer cocaine considered bait?

Dr Andy 08-30-2006 09:54 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
Il and Wi consider minerals as well as food "bait"

Anthony T. 08-30-2006 10:11 PM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
Even if you can't hunt bait, I see nothing wrong with putting out a little minerals and food out every now and then. Maybe draw a few deer toward your area. Its definetly not taking the fair outta fair chase. These are wild animals, food doesnt change that. theyll spook as easy as the next deer. They wont jump right on the end of your arrow, so to speak. It's just a way to try to stack the odds a little. You can buy natural mineral rocks, are they considered bait also?

Dr Andy 08-31-2006 04:59 AM

RE: Cocaine hole
 
In parts of the state (wi) it's illegal. They think the mixing of saliva at these bait sites may be responsible for spreading CWD. It's illeagal to feed deer at all.


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