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I'm puking at all the new "hunters"
Since starting night shifts 3 weeks ago I've been watchin a sportsmans channel all night, every night, and what do I see ? A bunch of shows on high fenced areas, shooting deer over grain piles, shooting expotics on "game ranches" etc
Its pathetic. And they are taking young people and "initiating" them into hunting ? That aint hunting ! One last night was a kid in a big elevated tree house kind of thing, and I swear there were 20 different species walking around eating the corn on the ground, he shoots an axis, and the other animals pretty much stand around and watch. A guy drives up in a big double cab Ford and the animals move out of the way not unlike cattle do. Gawd it was terrible, and its on every night it seems. A few shows are still good, even though they hunt really prime areas with fences etc, the animals are still wild. Primos still comes across as hunting wild to me, but many of these other fools ? I don't think we need them. I think we as a hunting communtiy are better off without them. If thats what we as a hunting communtiy have to do to keep the sport alive .............. then its already dead [:'(] |
RE: I'm puking at all the new "hunters"
I agree with you 100%. it's almost sickening. We could definately do without them.
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RE: I'm puking at all the new "hunters"
Wally Dallenbach has to be the worse. He hunts elk and such that act like cattle. Some of the shows are on private ranches that have fences, but also have wild animals. You can tell the difference though.
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Haha. I was going to post something on this topic after watching Dallenbach's show this evening. He went to a trophy ranch in Decatur City, Iowa. It is right next to Garden Grove where the Kisky's place is. These are near some public land I hunt there. Anyway, the show explained how the ranch owner has trophy genetic breeder bucks, and they let loose the fawn offspring out on the ranch to be hunted. I believe free range. Dallenbach got in a blind the first day and had at least 3 mega bucks walk right by, going to feed or water. These bucks were 160",190"+, and the 180" he shot.In the videothe 190"+ walked within 50 yards of his blind (he was gun hunting), and Wally explains to the camera that he can't afford that particular buck, so he has to pass. Another more wealthy hunterwill be in camp soon, and he is sure that fella can afford that buck. It was quite the show to watch.
While they were cleaning and taking pictures of the 180" buck, the 190"+ was shown watching them from the edge of the woods! No kidding! I have only subscribed to the Comcast Sportsman's channel upgrade for 2 months and am getting pretty overwhelmed by all these shows. I think OLN and a few other stations offer enough hunting programs for me to get by, and I expect to downgrade my cable to basic soon. I just don't need that much outdoors for the extra $$$. |
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Yup, thats what Im talking about. He said it was watching them the whole time. He should have walked up and hand fed it! :D
Lol...also, I just seen barta killing pigs with a knife. There was a song playing. It was something like...you da man. barta, you da man! My gosh he is such an egomaniac! I'd like to just get into a fistfight with him to see what he's got :DHe kills me. |
RE: I'm puking at all the new "hunters"
what is coming of our beloved sport ?
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The TV hunting is best where it's at...on TV:DI'm not into that style. The drurys, primos, knight&hale, and roger raglin are the last of the best IMO. I'm glad I dont have to stoop to the levels of some of those guys. I can't see the thrill in it though.
Oh yea, gettin close is just awesome.;) |
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U forgot gettin close, I wish my wife was into that as much as that babe....:D:D:D
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Maybe I should start a show where I just videotape the slaughterhouses butchering cows. Wow, that would be quite the sport.
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And here i thought we were all in this forum to show our support and try to help fellow hunters!--GUYS!,If you're not for hunting inEVERY form you are against it--Cripes,go back and read what has been said so far here,IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING FROM PETA![:'(]
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Your absolutely correct. This past turkey season a friend from work asked me to take his son out for his first turkey hunt. By the end of the first day, the child commented to me that he had been religiously watching hunting shows and we must be in a bad area because this was nothing like what he saw. That comment made me smile and all I could say was that most of those shows aren't reality.
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RE: I'm puking at all the new "hunters"
ORIGINAL: Anthony T. Wally Dallenbach has to be the worse. He hunts elk and such that act like cattle. Some of the shows are on private ranches that have fences, but also have wild animals. You can tell the difference though. |
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I agree we should not run anyhunter down. You get what you pay way to much for Wally. I would be embarased to put out that hunt on TV.
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ORIGINAL: jsasker And here i thought we were all in this forum to show our support and try to help fellow hunters!--GUYS!,If you're not for hunting inEVERY form you are against it--Cripes,go back and read what has been said so far here,IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING FROM PETA![:'(] |
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I think there is good and bad in most of the shows. The main problems I have with them are:
- They need to be done in a way to show respect for the animal being hunted. They should show the animals acting as they do in the wild, not as they do in a petting zoo. And they need to be done to show the values and morals of true hunters and outdoorspeople have. Otherwise they can just supply Petta with ammunition. - They an create unrealistic expectations for young hunters. I am 25 and do not have any children yet, but when I do, I'll let them watch those shows if they want. But you can bet everything you have on the fact that I'll take them hunting with me every chance I can so they realize that hunting in the "real world" is not as it is shown on TV. And that getting any game that you are hunting is a great accomplishment. And that the word trophy is relative to what makes you happy. And bagging a "trophy" is far more rewarding if you put your time in, do your homework, and are successfull. Than if your bank account controls your hunting. I have nothing against someone paying to hunt. And I'll probably even do it some day. But I don't want to pay to shoot. This is just my oppinion. And I agree everyone is entitled to their own. |
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As long as people watch those ridiculous "hunting" shows then they will keep making them. The reality is its too expensive to make real hunting shows for true wild game that includes harvesting a trophy. A hunting show without the money shot would quickly tank.
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I'm not going to comment much on this, but will enter one point. When taking a child hunting for the first few times, I would suggest taking them to an area where you ARE going to see something in a short period of time. Kids don't have the attention span that adults have. And if a child is out there for hours and see nothing, in a few hunts, they may become very discouraged.
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I aggree 100%. Kids would get bored and my lose interest if they donnot see game. But At the same time you don't want the first time they go out to be unrealistic either. It has to be a happy medium.
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ORIGINAL: TerryM A hunting show without the money shot would quickly tank. There's an old proverb somewher i think that says a Life without sorrow, conflict, or pain, is no life at all..... Without unhappiness, happiness is unfullfilling... ... or some philosophical something-or-other like that All things in moderation. Highfencing is not so bad if its on a place large enough that the animals rarely if ever find the fence.... 100-200, even 1000+ acre ranches have no business with high fences.... Take that for what it is, my opinion. But if you've got 10,000 acres, high fencing makes no matter. Any thing inside that large a pen(as you guys call it) is still just as wild. As for the "pay by size" stuff.... Yeah, it does sicken me. |
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ORIGINAL: jsasker And here i thought we were all in this forum to show our support and try to help fellow hunters!--GUYS!,If you're not for hunting inEVERY form you are against it--Cripes,go back and read what has been said so far here,IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING FROM PETA![:'(] If some yahoo gets off on buying a deer for several grand then have at it. I'll shoot every doe in the woods before I take a buck. The meat is much tougher. Tom |
RE: I'm puking at all the new "hunters"
Took my son deer hunting for the first time last year. I'd told him what to expect.....watched shows with him (and told him of the reality...or LACK thereof).
I'm guessing he was in the stand.....Ohhhh.....MAYBE an hour.....and he came down. "We're not gonna see anything". I just laughed.....and got him in the blind with me (He was in a climber....and I was kinda just watching him. We sat there for about 30 minutes.....and all the while I'm telling him that he HAS to learn "patience". I could have just as easily been speaking French......until the 4 does hopped into our set. Thank you God. We didn't take a shot......but the presence of those does did more for MY credibility.....and HIS excitement/eagerness to go hunting again......than any verbal lesson I could have ever taught him. He was a great partner the rest of the season. YES....kids need to see game to keep their interest up. GREAT point. Jeff |
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I used to be a serious bass fisherman...Back in the 70s I would stay in the boat all day....Just to see one come up and hit top water was worth it to me...I just loved being on the water....Then...I got married...
My oldest daughter (now 23) would go fishing with me when she was 2...And my wife was pregnant again...I realized that I didn't need to be THAT serious about bass fishing....When we went...we had fun...I let her drive the boat...We had picnics...We went swimming...I taught her how to skip rocks... We went back to cane poles, cricket, minnows, worms...I even put beach music in the tape player an taught her how to shag on the casting deck... We caught bream, catfish, crappie, bass...Whatever was biting...If they weren't we did other things....But, we had a ball... Hunting with kids should be the same way....I started with a pellet gun...Then a .410 and squirrels...Then a .22...Then a double barrel 12 gauge and doves, quail, ducks and finally deer....Some of the most fun I have ever had with my dad was hunting squirrels with a squirrel dog....I don't think that we should expect a 8 year old to sit quietly in a deer stand for 3-4 hours and "have a good time"...What I have learned about being a good hunter and a good shot, I learned through my early years, usually squirrel hunting..... I cringe when I see some of these shows....And as a hunter, we can tell which guys (shows) are made up of other good, careful hunters....That know how to setup, when you have a good clean shot and when you should pass on a shot...I have learned to pass on the other shows.... |
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That excuse is should not be carte blanche approval for every hunting related company/outdoorsman/organization. Take a look at what SFW is doing in Utah. Freakin raping Joe Lunchbox to cater to outfitters and thewealthy. I completely refuse to support every dope out there.
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nchawkeye......GREAT POST.
My son also knows, now.....that he holds a HIGHLY deadly weapon in his hands (he's 14). It IS a bit more serious, now. We have fun shooting 3D's in the yard.....and at the range......and I let him shoot squirrels (But he's CLEANING THEM!...lol). But when we go to the deer woods.....it's all business, now (and boy do we have fun getting ready.....and talking to everyone about what we see!). Great story about your daughter. really nice..... Jeff |
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The best thing to do about these shows is ....hold on now... this is a radical concept......DONT WATCH.
The sponsors will not support them if no one watches and the show will not last. If you only watch the shows with fair chase then the sponsors will see that's what the public wants. I hate high fence hunting as much as anyone but its not up to me to tell someone else not to do it. I just don't spend my money or time on it. If someone wants toshoot penned animalsand think they are truly hunting then more power to them. It's their time and money. |
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ORIGINAL: Kybuckhunter The best thing to do about these shows is ....hold on now... this is a radical concept......DONT WATCH. As far as the original thread, did anybody see the Nuge taking some guys buffalo "hunting" on his ranch a couple weeks ago? That was pathetic. Those guys didn't seem like they knew which end of a gun the bullet came out and Ted was walking them up to close range and having them shoot them then was talking it all up afterward on what an "experience" it was. Ugghh! Make me sick![:'(] |
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ORIGINAL: jsasker And here i thought we were all in this forum to show our support and try to help fellow hunters!--GUYS!,If you're not for hunting inEVERY form you are against it--Cripes,go back and read what has been said so far here,IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING FROM PETA![:'(] You're preaching to the choir dude! Any ethical hunter will agree that hunting tame herds is wrong and I'm confident any ethical hunter will not want to support them. I am behind some shows 100% but not the tame herd hunters association! I'm glad you support them, at least someone does. I do watch some just to see the magnificence of some of the monster bucks, elk, ect. But that don't mean I believe in it. Everyone has anopinion here! Don't bash us for ours...;) |
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Anthony:
What's he's trying to tell you is this...... The biggest enemy we have as hunters.....is fellow "hunters". The PETA's of the world are one day going to try to take what we hold sacred away from us. The words/phrases/photos/etc...they're gonna rely MOST on.......are the ones they see us saying to one another during bouts of in-fighting over everything from this subject....to Sunday Hunting (or lack thereof, in my state)...to baiting.....to (___________fill in the blank). That's all I think he meant...though I wouldn't begin to put words in his mouth. He's NOT against YOU............OR........ ANY PERSON harvesting game in a manner that is legal in their state/province/etc... Jeff |
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ORIGINAL: Cabelas4Toys ORIGINAL: Kybuckhunter The best thing to do about these shows is ....hold on now... this is a radical concept......DONT WATCH. Just look at any TV show that gets axed. It's because the ratings are bad so it will not make money. The more people watch the more money it will make. Plain and simple. |
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ORIGINAL: nchawkeye I used to be a serious bass fisherman...Back in the 70s I would stay in the boat all day....Just to see one come up and hit top water was worth it to me...I just loved being on the water....Then...I got married... My oldest daughter (now 23) would go fishing with me when she was 2...And my wife was pregnant again...I realized that I didn't need to be THAT serious about bass fishing....When we went...we had fun...I let her drive the boat...We had picnics...We went swimming...I taught her how to skip rocks... We went back to cane poles, cricket, minnows, worms...I even put beach music in the tape player an taught her how to shag on the casting deck... We caught bream, catfish, crappie, bass...Whatever was biting...If they weren't we did other things....But, we had a ball... Hunting with kids should be the same way....I started with a pellet gun...Then a .410 and squirrels...Then a .22...Then a double barrel 12 gauge and doves, quail, ducks and finally deer....Some of the most fun I have ever had with my dad was hunting squirrels with a squirrel dog....I don't think that we should expect a 8 year old to sit quietly in a deer stand for 3-4 hours and "have a good time"...What I have learned about being a good hunter and a good shot, I learned through my early years, usually squirrel hunting..... I cringe when I see some of these shows....And as a hunter, we can tell which guys (shows) are made up of other good, careful hunters....That know how to setup, when you have a good clean shot and when you should pass on a shot...I have learned to pass on the other shows.... generally I think a kid's FIRST hunting experience should not be in a deer stand. Start them out having fun and getting some trigger time on small game then let their hunting experiences mature as they do. |
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If he means it in that way then I sincerely apoligize. But I am reading it different even after rereading it. I cannot support all hunting when this type of hunting is going on.
I like the way you worded it alot better and I can agree with what you say 100%. But I feel some of these shows should be overtaken to preserve our hunting rights. It does make nonhunters look at our obsession in a bad way and they will not see the good in it with shows like this. Not that I care what nonhunters think about me, but I do care about what they're trying to take from us. |
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But I feel some of these shows should be overtaken to preserve our hunting rights. It does make nonhunters look at our obsession in a bad way and they will not see the good in it with shows like this. Not that I care what nonhunters think about me, but I do care about what they're trying to take from us. Jeff |
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SBG,Yes!That was/is what i'm getting at--thank you.Any hunter complaining about any type of hunting is,well,hunters against hunters,period.
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ORIGINAL: jsasker SBG,Yes!That was/is what i'm getting at--thank you.Any hunter complaining about any type of hunting is,well,hunters against hunters,period. What is fair about hunting. If you are not going out, butt naked and dispatching an animal with what God gave you, you are not engaged in fair chase, period. I have yet to see a gripe that is not simply equated to bragging rights. I would never pay to hunt behind a fence, but if you want to, more power too ya. I think its crazy to pay thousands to hunt, but like I said, if you want to, knock your brains out. I dont hunt to brag, so the fence thing does not bother me. Not any more than ranching. I guess yall do not eat domestic hamburger or swine. Same ethics apply, are we not talking fair chase and animals? Why do you hunt? For the thrill of killing something, a trophy, or for the meat? If you hunt to kill or simplyfor a rack with no reguardsforthe meat, your a sick person. If you kill for meat, whats the big deal. I personally get bent when I meet a person who kills an animal, cut off the head, and leave the meat. And im sure there are those here as well. By the way, I hate to tell you all, THERE IS NOTHING FAIR ABOUT HUNTING. That is why we win more than the animal. We use tools to increase our advantage. An animal does nothing of the sort. Now how fair is that. Lets see how this could go. Fences banned, unethical Next, rifles banned, unethical, too much range with no reguard to stalking skills Next, crossbows, we already have been seeing that. Next, compound bows, unethical, too easy to shoot with little practice. Ive already seen that as well here. Next, recurves, not as difficult as a long self bow etc. etc. etc. Dont believe me, read post on this forum from the past. I can recall a long thread trying to get crossbows banned. I have even seen trad bow hunters crying about compounds putting a bad name on hunting. Keep on fighting for this ban, you just might get what you want, leading to the next ban. Im one that does not care how you hunt. YOu could tie an animal to a fence and stab it with a knife for all I care, as long as it is an ethical kill. All im concerned with is an ethical kill. I could go on a rant and accuse all you compound and rifle hunters of being unethical because you do not use traditional gear like I. Now how assinine is that. |
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What is fair about hunting. If you are not going out, butt naked and dispatching an animal with what God gave you, you are not engaged in fair chase, period. I guess yall do not eat domestic hamburger or swine. Same ethics apply, are we not talking fair chase and animals? If you hunt to kill or simplyfor a rack with no reguardsforthe meat, your a sick person. If you kill for meat, whats the big deal. I personally get bent when I meet a person who kills an animal, cut off the head, and leave the meat. And im sure there are those here as well. Also, I do apoligize, J.sasker, I see your point and I do agree with you. Sorry man. |
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I think you missed burnie's point there Anthony T.
BTW, I hunt because it's fun and challenging (the more the better). Meat, horns, sore muscles, cold bones, loss of sleep and wonderful memories are all by-products. |
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Our Ancestors could care less about bragging about their kills. They killed for one reason, food. They could careless if it was fair of not. We are the only ones caught up in trophy hunting. They also tended to kill the smaller, weaker animals.
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I don't know who to rebut first... you're all beating a dead horse here....
If you don't like it, don't do it. Right? Isn't that why some guys choose bow-hunting only? If it hurts hunting as a whole, don't do it. Right? Isn't that why we all rose against the WHA? Seems like 2 very simple logical rules right? Guess what, arguing about techniques and methods... IS HURTING HUNTING. God gave us the greatest tool of all for hunting... our mind. It is the one thing, (other than biblical explanations regarding souls), that separates us from the animals. All other animals have speed, hearing, eyesight, strength, smell, and teeth far greater than ours that benefit hunting, while humans do not. All we have is our brain, our logic, our capacity to adapt quicker to any situation or environment than any other creature on earth. Without said intellect none of us would be here. We would have followed the dinosours, if we'd haveeven gotten that far. |
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Okay, I'll leave it at that, bernie, if you're all for hunting then I'm with you man. I see the point your coming with. The part about bragging and all don't apply to me so I agree with you there too. I was'ny trying to argue about anything, I just don't feel right about some types of hunting these guys do. I could care less if they do it or not either, that don't mean I think it's right.
So, to preserve our hunting rights and assure that we keep them, we should just let everything go, not speak on any of it, and walk away? I guess if I have to, I'll live with that. ;) God gave us the greatest tool of all for hunting... our mind. It is the one thing, (other than biblical explanations regarding souls), that separates us from the animals. All other animals have speed, hearing, eyesight, strength, smell, and teeth far greater than ours that benefit hunting, while humans do not. All we have is our brain, our logic, our capacity to adapt quicker to any situation or environment than any other creature on earth. Without said intellect none of us would be here. We would have followed the dinosours, if we'd haveeven gotten that far |
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There was a mention of PETA earlier in this thread. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that these types of "canned" hunts are the exact types of things that organizations like PETA use as ammo in their crusade against hunting. This is how they present all hunting to folks that may be on the fence about it, or not care one way or the other. This is how they create more antis.
I'm all for hunting however an individual chooses, be it gun, bow, using dogs, whatever, but make no mistake about it; these canned hunts ARE NOT hunting, and they do our favorite past time a huge disservice. |
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