RE: Very disappointed in Muzzy BH performance
 

atlasman I am not trying to bash or insult you here honestly I am just helping. If you are having trouble with getting your broad heads to fly there is some thing wrong with your set up. Whith out looking at the bow personaly it is hard to tell but we are just saying what you should start with to get your problem fixed and get you back in the woods. Paper tune then adjust as needed if aluminun arrows check for strait see if maybe a fletching is hitting a cable or maybe the riser make sure all broad heads are turned the same way with your fletchings make sure your peep and sight are not loose. If then that doesn't help maybe it is you the way your shooting ( jerking the trigger dropping the bow looking around to see the shot creeping) it may help to have your local pro shop look at your bow it will only cost a few bucks. The reason why people seemed kinda harsh I think was becouse you have a problem with your bow and you just immediatly blame your broad heads instead of your self or the way the bow is tuned. Try what I wrote above and if it still doen't help feel free to e-mail me and I will try my best to help you farther.

RE: Very disappointed in Muzzy BH performance
 

Atlas, not knocking your or your proshop...but I hope its better then about the 70% or more of the "pro" shops I have been in around the USA! I gotta say only a handful of them really impressed me. Maybe its just personal but some of them dont even belong driving to work, let alone shooting bows of any kind lol! I cant critize you for your choice of equip as it works for most...but as the saying goes, if the show dont fit, dont where it...there is just to many others out there to give a hoot what works for someone else! Besides, thats just part of the fun.....making excuses to buy new gear LOL!

I am sure any head will fail if hit right due to there design. WHere some may take a head on very well, others might crumble, others may take a glance and curl all to heck but some may stay straight and true. 5er would be the man to ask as he is the b head guru....btw, I forgot to send those heads 5, they are boxed up on my arrow bench...I am going to send them out tomorrow...shame on me! Been fishing, and running like a mad man....I thought this unemployment was supposed to be a break, I am doing more now then when I worked all week...>DOH<

Hopefully you can get on that buck again.....its almost fun missing after a few days, think about it, atleast where I grew up, you could only shoot one! Once ya shot him, you're done! Now you get more time in the woods, more opportunities and more importantly...MORE FUN! I'll tell ya though, its a biatch trying to stew up those oak saplings...never can quite get them to soften up enough to eat....best of luck

RE: Very disappointed in Muzzy BH performance
 

hey atlasman if thay are muzzy 125 gr send then to me if u don't want them i shot a big for this year with muzzy 125 gr and i will never buy another broad head i got 3 with the bow and 2 with muzzys
i love them thay are great...... good luck finding the rock i hope u find it or the brick wall....j/k muzzys don't brake like that un less u really hit something........








al bowmansville ny

RE: Very disappointed in Muzzy BH performance
 

Dont give up on muzzys yet.
Try going up to 115 grain 4 blade.
90 grain wont fly worth a darn out
of my setup either but 115 grain
will eat up the bullseye. The fact]
that im using easton 2315's and shooting
68 pounds might be the reason the lighter
head wont fly right..
Ive killed over 20 deer in the past
7 years with muzzys after experimenting
the previous 20 with different makes and
models of broadheads that dissappointed me
in one way or another.
To sum it all up. Experiment with different
broadhead weights with the same models.
A difference in 10 or 15 grains maybe
all it takes.
As far as the bent tip and blades, I dont know.
I have shot a few deer through the shoulder
with the muzzys and only had the blades bent
once. The thinner/lighter composition of the
90 grain maybe why yours messed up.
Remember that bowhunting is a very personal
sport. What works for some wont necessarilly
work with your setup.

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hey atlasman if thay are muzzy 125 gr send then to me if u don't want them
al bowmansville ny
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Sorry Al but like I said in my first post they are 90 gr 4 blade

RE: Very disappointed in Muzzy BH performance
 

Atlasman; I shoot the 100 grain 4 blade muzzy broadheads. I was sold on the arrow flight of the broadhead when I shot the first one and it hit the dot dead center. I have harvested 3 deer using these broadheads so far this year.I did suffer from the fever on one and I believe that my shooting form went to #^%$ on it. I ended up with a spine shot, far off from where I was intending to hit. The head was lodged well into the spine, now the blades did break off and were lodged in the spine but I was able to remove the head ferrule from the spine and the head point was still straight and sharp and the ferrule was still straight but where the broadhead screws into the arrow was bent.I have been very impressed with the broadheads performance overall. The only thing to blame on my spine shot was my shooting form, not my broadhead or my equiptment. I shoot a draw of 57lbs and a fps of 249 with arrow weight of 344 grains, have you tried using the 100 or 125 grain heads with your setup? You may end up with a improved arrow flight and more KE, but that all depends on your arrow type and weight,fletching, FOC etc.... Im sorry to hear about your head and the miss of your deer. benhuntin made a good point, I think. I havent experienced the kind of head damage you speak of, but I am also using a heavier grain head.

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I know what you mean man. I use this shop because it has a good mix of young and older guys that are all friendly and share advice and knowledge to help each other towards the same goal. They are all nice guys and are not biased towards any equipment or brands. They tell it like it is and they do a very good job with my bow when I need help.

I have seen more then a couple &quot;proshops&quot; and I trust these guys the most from what I have to pick from. They have never let me down yet.



I really don't know what the answer is. Maybe my arrows are not a good match for the 4 blade MUZZY. I will post my setup to see if anyone has any ideas.........because I am fresh out :)


63lbs
250fps
3 right helical(not full...2 degree I believe) 4&quot; Duravanes
Beman ICS Hunters
NAP 2000 Drop Away rest
Tru-Ball release used right on string(no loop)
Peep

Trying to think of anything else that could possibly effect my arrow flight but right now I can't......let me know if I left anything out that may help.


I get bored shooting field tips because 30 yards and in I can stack arrows all day. In fact I started shooting at the eyes on my targets just for excitement by the end of summer. I have no desire to shoot at an animal over 30 yards so I am all set there.

From the minute I installed my MUZZY's I was getting good but not great groups. They did not fly as well as my field tips but that was OK with me as long as they remained consistent.......they did not.

More aggravating then the larger group size was the flyers I was getting at totally random times. I tried everything that I know to fix this problem. I like many of you immediately thought my bow was not tuned as well as I thought. I checked the nock point, center shot and made sure everything was tightened down then cracked out the paper. When the flyers were still there I started checking arrows and vane/blade configurations. I marked arrows and removed some that I thought were getting more flyers then others and when that didn't work I started to swap heads from arrow to arrow just to be sure that a minor insert flaw or maybe even arrow difference between arrows (weight/straightness)could be an issue. The flyers remained. I now started rotating my nock in every possible setting because I shoot a drop away rest so it doesn't matter so why not try it......didn't help. I coated my riser and rest to make sure I wasn't getting fletch contact......nothing.

The most frustrating thing of all is putting my field points in and stacking arrows all day long. I know they don't fly the same but geeeeeeeesh man it shouldn't be this tough to get a damn head to fly straight reliably.


The inconsistent flight is troubling no doubt, but I have tried my best to fight through it........the head getting punished by a rotten tree root was just the last straw for me.

RE: Very disappointed in Muzzy BH performance
 

How often do you guys shoot your BH's??

I shoot A LOT

Just curious because I know more then one guy who shoots a half dozen shots and assumes all is well.

I on the other hand have shot hunderds of shots with these MUZZY's and yes I have had periods of 10-20 shots without a problem and if I quit then I would be under the false immpression that the heads were flying great.

RE: Very disappointed in Muzzy BH performance
 

Let me see...you have errant shots sometimes, but can't eliminate certain arrows, inserts OR BHs??

It's not your bow, as you and your pro-shop have examined it??

Only leaves one option...form inconsistencies.

JMO, but if you can't narrow certain arrows/inserts OR broadheads from a well-tuned setup, then its human error, not mechanical.

Are you overpracticing and punching the trigger, resulting in a few errant shots??

If you have some excellent groups for 1-20 shots, then some terrible groups and bad shots....well, you be the judge of the problem, but from an outside view there's only one possibility, and that's form.

S&R

RE: Very disappointed in Muzzy BH performance
 

So your saying the most likely answer is that I have the skill and form to shoot tight groups out to 30 yards yet somehow randomly I just lose it completely and shoot with such bad form that a flyer that misses the mark by anywhere from 8&quot;--2' results?? Something that I can count on one hand that has happened with my field points in thousands of shots now occurs sometimes as often as 25%.

That's logical.


I don't miss by 2 feet..........not to mention that the flyers are random in direction as well.

So now I guess sometimes I am choking the grip high, low, left, right, and have a different anchor point each time.

I have 3 anchor points and I don't know anyone that misses high, left, right, and low from shot to shot but OK....if you say so :)