Whisker Biscuit or Drop away?
#21
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Aug 2004
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From: Bradford, Ontario
People who actually own a bisquit love them , I know I do and I used to use a drop away before. Speed loss with helicals is 2-3 fps and when the rest is properly tuned and installed it makes no noise or cause vane damage. Its funny, a good friend of mine just hates them but he's never owned one !
#22
A new dropaway called the ripcord holds the arrow in place until you release the string. I traded it for my biscuit and love it.
Watch your fletchings as you slowly pull an arrow thru a wisker biscuit.That cannot be an accurate arrow!!!
Watch your fletchings as you slowly pull an arrow thru a wisker biscuit.That cannot be an accurate arrow!!!
#24
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Nov 2005
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From: Bandera, Texas
Like not worrying about arrow falling off. I have no problem with noise and combined with sight, shooting best I have in years. Also less worry about timing and arrow contact. Yes I use feathers to make it more forgiving passing through and have to replace them every six months, but worth it for the arrow to be when I get ready to take a shot.
#26
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Eastern PA USA
Having used both the Biscuit and a few drop aways, I find some of the comments here pretty amusing, to say the least. Starting with the Biscuit, it is not a perfect rest. You do need to use stiff fletching like Blazers, Flex-Fletch, or Vanetecs. Softer vanes (like the ones on most factory fletched arrows) will wrinkle and eventually get damaged. Rough finished arrows will hiss a bit when drawn through the biscuit. You may lose 3 fps with helical fletch and a well tuned rest, much more than that, and it wasn't tuned properly in the first place. As far as accuracy, a bow with a whisker biscuit can shoot better than most archers. Even I can shoot 4" or less groups at 40 yards, and often much better if I am really concentrating on the aim. No moving parts to fail, and holds the arrow in hunting situations.
The drop aways (I have used the MZE, Trophy Taker, QAD, and Alpine Whisper Flyte) let you use any type of fletch you want. You can silence all of them with fleece or something similar. When set up and tuned, I think they are a little more forgiving, and shoot a little better at longer range. Some like the QAD are a little finicky about timing. The one I had worked well for a few months, then would sometimes "hang up" and give me fletch contact and a low shot. I didn't like that in a hunting situation. I eventually took the catch mechanism out of it, and it now functions like a Trophy Taker, and flawlessly. I am leery of the cable activated lift mechanism on dropaways, but they probably cause little problems for most users. Most drop aways need a type of arrow holder in hunting situations. Fletch clearance for some of them is not always easy to achieve.
All that said, I just got a bow that is new to me. It has only a 6 5/8" brace height, and came with a Bodoodle rest on it. I anticipated putting a drop away on this bow to make it more forgiving, but after shooting this morning, I can't see how changing the rest could possibly make it any more accurate. I think it is easy to get caught up in trying to prove that what we use is the best. Not sure why so many seem to have to say the alternatives are crap, but that is just how some people are. Biscuit, drop away, shoot through, all will work well if you know how to get the most out of them.
The drop aways (I have used the MZE, Trophy Taker, QAD, and Alpine Whisper Flyte) let you use any type of fletch you want. You can silence all of them with fleece or something similar. When set up and tuned, I think they are a little more forgiving, and shoot a little better at longer range. Some like the QAD are a little finicky about timing. The one I had worked well for a few months, then would sometimes "hang up" and give me fletch contact and a low shot. I didn't like that in a hunting situation. I eventually took the catch mechanism out of it, and it now functions like a Trophy Taker, and flawlessly. I am leery of the cable activated lift mechanism on dropaways, but they probably cause little problems for most users. Most drop aways need a type of arrow holder in hunting situations. Fletch clearance for some of them is not always easy to achieve.
All that said, I just got a bow that is new to me. It has only a 6 5/8" brace height, and came with a Bodoodle rest on it. I anticipated putting a drop away on this bow to make it more forgiving, but after shooting this morning, I can't see how changing the rest could possibly make it any more accurate. I think it is easy to get caught up in trying to prove that what we use is the best. Not sure why so many seem to have to say the alternatives are crap, but that is just how some people are. Biscuit, drop away, shoot through, all will work well if you know how to get the most out of them.
#27
Very true, JOE PA. I could take the best drop away on the market, set it up incorrectly and give up on it and say it was garbage. I'm glad there are many different options. I like trying different things out and what I may think is the perfect setup, my friend may have something totally different that he thinks is the perfect setup. And guess what. They are. They are the perfect setup for each of us. But its a shame someone may miss out trying something that they may actually like just because they "heard" something. The vane damage always makes me laugh. If everything is tuned as it should be the vane damage will be minimal to none. Besides, even when I was using a Bodoodle Pro I would have to replace vanes. If you shoot very much at all you are going to wear out vanes no matter what rest you are using. Buy a jig and re-fletch. It's pretty simple and there's nothing like new vanes.
Hey JOE PA, you don't coach a football team do you?
Hey JOE PA, you don't coach a football team do you?
#28
Typical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Arlington WA USA
My goal has alwaysbeen to minimize contact on release. WBhas contact on release and as soon as the vanes/feathers hit the WB Fibers there is added contact and therefore at least some friction has developed on arrow release..
With my dropaway, the instant I release the arrow the rest drops out of the way and the arrow is on its own no contact, no added friction. I had the Quicktune 4000 on my Mathews FX and had the Shaffer Mat-1 installed on my new Switchback XT. In my years of hunting with compound bows, arrows falling off the rest are very, very rare.
With my dropaway, the instant I release the arrow the rest drops out of the way and the arrow is on its own no contact, no added friction. I had the Quicktune 4000 on my Mathews FX and had the Shaffer Mat-1 installed on my new Switchback XT. In my years of hunting with compound bows, arrows falling off the rest are very, very rare.
#30
I always hated the biscuit until I tried one. I have one bow with a biscuit and one with a dropaway. I like them both.
The dropaway is slightly more forgiving and if you have bad form. It does have moving parts that have failed and needed replaced. Set up was tricky at first. For 3d I'd go with a dropaway.
The biscuit has no moving parts. It does not eat up fletchingif you set it up correctly. It is quiet on the draw and on the release. The key with the biscuit is to set it up properly, like any rest. Also, get the biggest hole possible. If it's not set up right you will be refletching every week.
I shot both all summer, and I've decided to put a biscuit on both bows for hunting season. I shoot the same size groups with the dropaway and the biscuit. So the biscuit wins because it is a simpler design with no moving parts to worry about.
I think my setup this fall will be whisker biscuit, blazers with 2 degree offset, and slick tricks.
The dropaway is slightly more forgiving and if you have bad form. It does have moving parts that have failed and needed replaced. Set up was tricky at first. For 3d I'd go with a dropaway.
The biscuit has no moving parts. It does not eat up fletchingif you set it up correctly. It is quiet on the draw and on the release. The key with the biscuit is to set it up properly, like any rest. Also, get the biggest hole possible. If it's not set up right you will be refletching every week.
I shot both all summer, and I've decided to put a biscuit on both bows for hunting season. I shoot the same size groups with the dropaway and the biscuit. So the biscuit wins because it is a simpler design with no moving parts to worry about.
I think my setup this fall will be whisker biscuit, blazers with 2 degree offset, and slick tricks.


