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Guys let us becareful, when we are talking about the WHA not to attacked those who are members here. TDA I am sure is a good guy, and we have are difference. Yes he is part of the WHA, but I am sure Farbman sold him on the idea and was not totally truthful. TDA has taken some heat from me and other. We all(me included) need to becareful on what we write. TDA I would love to meet with you face to face, and debate this topic. I am sorry if any of my comments came across as personal, but they were aimed at the WHA which you were rep. So TDA should have expected some heat.

WHA is the issue, lets focus on it.

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Good post !

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Good point. I dont think that getting in fights with members is going to do much anyway so I agree we should stay focused on the big picture.

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Excellent post. Those who are affiliated should not be personally attacked. Everyone has their opinions and hopefully we can provide some constructive critisism to the idea as a potential target audience of what is being proposed. It would appear that the average bowhunter, based on comments here and other sites are not interested in seeing a noble sport as hunting turned into a big ticket sporting event. Hunting videos are great, at least most, and informative. I just don't think we need to see guys competiting for anything other than the trophy animals they may be lucky enough to hunt and harvest.

I personally don't know much about the WHA, but will inform myself of what they are about and not just judge them on this one idea. And it's hard to blame the producers of the products we all use for wanting in, it is business after all. If you choose not to support those that participate it's a personal preference, which we all should have a right to stand up for what we believe in.

Kelly

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Excellent Post. Great way to keep things in focus.

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Why not. This is nothing but an avenue for money and the persons involved are just as bad as Farbman. They might not have been told everything, but THEY, didn't bother to check it out themselves. I hold them to the same light as Farbman. How can they possibly believe this is a good thing. The only thing this is good for is to line their pockets and for that shame on them.

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I know your right but my dander is surly up and some things are worth fighting for. Just got to focus our fight the right way. Thanks for the slap up side the head I needed it.

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The way I see it, if someone wants to defend WHA, then they better be prepared to take their lumps along with the organization.:eek:

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We do have to be careful about getting personal. I myself am guilty. Last night I posted some quotes from Farbman himself that portrayed him in a rather un-flattering light. At first I found the quotes amusing and elightening to the motives behind the WHA.

After further thought, I can see how my post could degenerate into a personal attack on David Farbman. Although I hate the Idea of the WHA, I should not have implied anything abouth the character of David Farbman, whom I do not even know. The thread was deleted and I understand why.

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seems to me that his charcter is revealed through his actions as well as what he says although the actions speak louder....

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Exactly!
Behave like a saint, I'll call you a saint.
Behave like an a$$, I'll call you an a$$

I'm all for playing nice together, but let's call spades spades here!

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"I'm all for playing nice together, but let's call spades spades here!"

Exactly! I've stated, as have many, why they are disgusted with this "drug a buck for dollars" idea. Those that are for it, or are involved in it, especially when they stand to profit from something wherein they claim to be representing what hunters want, & have beenwaiting for, need to answer the bell and help the masses understand how this can bea benefitfor hunters and hunting.

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Let's not waffle here folks. Either it's bad or it isn't. Those supporting it for whatever reason are not looking out for huntings best interest.It can't possibably do anything but hurt hunting. SO, no matter who it is, it's inhuntings best interest to give them as much heat as we can. An unreality reality about hunting isn't what we need. Guys in new Cabela gear hunting behind fences on staged canned hunting grounds for money do nothing but give us a bad image. A pigs ear is a pigs ear.

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Well said, Davidmil... well said!

WHA will seriously damage the public "perception" of what hunting is truely about! I just pray that this won't come about and that is just a bad idea gone wrong. [:'(]

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I was trying to figure how anyone could think this is a good idea no matter what side of the fence their on?If hunters aren't allowed to harvest animals what will happen to the animal populations?

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God forbid we actually hold someone acountable for their actions in this new PC world. I would hate to ruffle someones feathers.

I didn't read all of the posts so I don't know exactly what happened. Now if someone was making up stuff about someone else to make them look bad that is one thing. But if you are just telling it like it is and how you feel, too bad. Sorry you don't feel the same way, but we are all entitled to our own opinions. If you get all bent out of shape because you don't agree with it that is your hang up not someone elses. ( I don't mean anyone specific when I say "you", just generalizing is all.)

I agree with David and Arthur. Arthur doesn't have any trouble telling me what he thinks about the way I hunt, and I have no problems with it. I sort of respect him more for it.

Paul

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I don't know if I'm missing something or what but who is David Farbman?? And what's he got to do with all this?? I'm just trying to stay informed on all this.Thanks.

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Farbman is the CEO / Founder of the WHA. He's responsible for this entire mess.You can see him inthe teaser video at www.worldhunt.com.

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Thanks for the info. I went to the site shouldn't have though. It just goes to show... its all about the money!!

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And... if you'll pardon my jump to judgement, it's all a biproduct of the QDM/Let's grow big horns so I can thump my chest hype. QDM/Let's grow big horns so I can thump my chest is also the reason a lot of people are loosing the hunting areas to the big bucks/big dollars guys like US Outfitters and private rich people. Watch the prices of leases go up as states inact trophy management minimums to grow big horns. When people hunted for the joy of hunting and the joy of taking an animal this never would have happened. Just too much "ME" and "Macho" in hunting these days. Too much hype on the celebs hunting protected private haunts that anyone could kill a big deer in. They're growing a herd, not hunting. It has begun the end of hunting as our fathers knew it. I think it would almost be better if we had a big kill off and reverted to the wild populations we had in the 50s and 60s.

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Well put. A little extreme with the kill off. LOL. But seriously well put and dead on.

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"And... if you'll pardon my jump to judgement, it's all a biproduct of the QDM/Let's grow big horns so I can thump my chest hype. QDM/Let's grow big horns so I can thump my chest is also the reason a lot of people are loosing the hunting areas to the big bucks/big dollars guys like US Outfitters and private rich people. Watch the prices of leases go up as states inact trophy management minimums to grow big horns. When people hunted for the joy of hunting and the joy of taking an animal this never would have happened. Just too much "ME" and "Macho" in hunting these days. Too much hype on the celebs hunting protected private haunts that anyone could kill a big deer in. They're growing a herd, not hunting. It has begun the end of hunting as our fathers knew it. I think it would almost be better if we had a big kill off and reverted to the wild populations we had in the 50s and 60s.

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Couldn't have said it better, except that I have nothing against guys who want their land to be under QDM or who live their lives under QDM as long as they recognize thatwe/they are the selfish ones and the true advocates and hero's of our sport is the average Joe or Josephine :Dwho goes out and takes what he or she can get. They just love to hunt and are thrilled when the get something to show for their efforts. The purists. Prosperity is a difficult thing to live with.

There's a place in our sport for big money too though. I'm fasinated with the big horn sheep crowd. My brother says most other hunting is for people who think their rich, big horn hunters are ones who know their rich. Heard of a guy (not sure of the facts) that bid on and won a tag for $800,000. Went out and was unsucsessful. Bid the next year and won at $600,000 and baged one.:D

Having lived in an area that resembled the population of deer in the 50/60 until the last few years, I'm not in favor of a kill off.:D