I still don't know exactly what you clowns are doing to these poor stands.......
I have been hunting out of different Summit climbers for about 10yrs now and haven't seen the elusive "stucks stand" syndrome.
Straight in straight out, no effort at all???
I remeber that Greg, I was thinking......"What the he** is he doing?!?"

Oh well I'll make Greg get his stuck this November just so I can see what you guys are experiencing.

I know exactly what you guys are talking about as well. This will be my 5th season in my Viper and about two years ago it started. I usually not only make a lot of noise but get all PO'd and start breathing hard. I'll have to try Greg's "trick" next time.

I will try his trick too but if not then I may grind the teeth that are the culprits.

phall2: I have hit myself in the adams apple putting all my might trying to get them apart.

I still love my Razor though.

I haven't ever seen this........I don't own one but have been around quite a few and hunted out of a few too.

Yep happens with my Viper and the cables are noisey installing them unless I go reaaaaaaal slow. Once up though comfort, quiet, and safety are top rate.