RE: 5 shot or all...2 vs 3 blades?
 

Boy, thats a tough question for someone who has been bow hunting for 23 years. I usually average between one or two deer per year (with a bow). Sometimes one, sometimes three. I do know that when I used the mechanicals, I killed four deer. Something happened to the head on every deer I shot with them though. There where some other reasons, I didn't like the heads including cost, the ability to practice with them, ease of sharpening, and strength. But this was a while ago. And I know that there have been improvements made with them. Other heads that I have used include Muzzy's, which is a great head. But I did have a few non-pass throughs with them. But, for the most part, I can't complain. But like I have said, I have never had a non-pass through with magnus, Stos (I currently use), Zwickey, Grizzly, and probably a few that I can't even remember that were two bladed cut on contact. I wish I could provide you with exact numbers, but I really can't. I can't even guess. I would say that each shot that I ever took at a deer encountered bone. How many shoulder blades have I blew through? I don't know, a few.

I can tell you that this year, I shot a doe on a quartering away angle and had the arrow blow through the shoulder blade upon exiting. This was with a Stos 145 grain head including the screw in adapter, the head is 190 grain. FWIW.

Edited by - BobCo19-65 on 10/30/2002 12:26:40

RE: 5 shot or all...2 vs 3 blades?
 

Rangeball
[quote] [For those of you slinging two blade cut to tip heads such as Magnus, who stated you've yet to not achieve a total pass through on deer, how many deer have you shot and how many shots encountered bone, rib or shoulder? Would love to hear more on these real world hits.
/quote]


I am not one saying I have acheived complete pass thru every time. that would be rediculous since in my 20 yrs (and 40+ deer with a bow) of doing this I have not always taken the most ethical of shots. (most of wich was when I was still a kid and Ive since grown up and learned its not always about making the kill) but Ive tried several heads and you cant beat a fixed blade. Because they are just rock solid, reusable ,deadly, and will never fail to open or cut.

this is from my reply to another post:

I, like most of the other guys have nothing bad to say about two blade C.O.I. heads. I have been using them for at least 15 years and have taken lots of whitetails with them, with wheeled and traditional equipment. Most are pass thrus including some really badd hits. a few that stand out:

1. shot a small buck facing me with a pse carol intruder, it entered left of the brisket and went between the shoulder Blade and the rib cage . after this it gets kinda weird. the arrow exited behind the same shoulder never entering the chest cavity and re-entered into the hind quarter. now the deer must have had its back half cocked because looking at it looked like the arrow made a 90 deg turn because it went thru both leg bones at about the point they attach to the hip and exited the opposite side. I must of cut the both femoral arteries because this animal expired in about 70 yards.

2. shot another small buck with a recurve at about 12 yds from approx 30 ft in the air. I wanted a high entrance to insure a low exit and the biggest cut path thru the deer. and subsaquently spined the animal. IT completly shattering one vert, and a rib. It died in its tracks.

3 another I shot while videoing for a freind . I was on camera and he was shooting. but did not have a buck tag and I did. a buck came in and we decided to swap camera for bow. after asking him where he anchored I tried my best to imitate so his sights would be close for me. they were close but not exact I hit a few inches left of my intended spot and shot thru both shoulders and ribs on both sides it did not pass thru but buried to the fletches. There was no blood trail but we found it about 100 yds down the trail. The reason for no blood was, going thru both shoulders meant that the holes in the shoulders and the rib cage had to be lined up before the blood could redily escape the chest cavity.

so once again I'll have to say for durability , reliability and killability they are #1 in my book. Oh yeah Ive shot snuffers, zwickeys, bear ss , and today I'm shooting magnus. All have been 125 grain. with the exception of the bear heads and their like 132 gr w/o the bleeder. Most of my bow setups have been of the low speed high forgivingness variety. I am probably shooting my fastest setup now and thats only cause im shooting about 73 lbs, instead of 60 or 65.

any way thats my two cents
Bob

RE: 5 shot or all...2 vs 3 blades?
 

Rangeball
[quote] [For those of you slinging two blade cut to tip heads such as Magnus, who stated you've yet to not achieve a total pass through on deer, how many deer have you shot and how many shots encountered bone, rib or shoulder? Would love to hear more on these real world hits.
/quote]


I am not one saying I have acheived complete pass thru every time. that would be rediculous since in my 20 yrs (and 40+ deer with a bow) of doing this I have not always taken the most ethical of shots. (most of wich was when I was still a kid and Ive since grown up and learned its not always about making the kill) but Ive tried several heads and you cant beat a fixed blade. Because they are just rock solid, reusable ,deadly, and will never fail to open or cut.

this is from my reply to another post:

I, like most of the other guys have nothing bad to say about two blade C.O.I. heads. I have been using them for at least 15 years and have taken lots of whitetails with them, with wheeled and traditional equipment. Most are pass thrus including some really badd hits. a few that stand out:

1. shot a small buck facing me with a pse carol intruder, it entered left of the brisket and went between the shoulder Blade and the rib cage . after this it gets kinda weird. the arrow exited behind the same shoulder never entering the chest cavity and re-entered into the hind quarter. now the deer must have had its back half cocked because looking at it looked like the arrow made a 90 deg turn because it went thru both leg bones at about the point they attach to the hip and exited the opposite side. I must of cut the both femoral arteries because this animal expired in about 70 yards.

2. shot another small buck with a recurve at about 12 yds from approx 30 ft in the air. I wanted a high entrance to insure a low exit and the biggest cut path thru the deer. and subsaquently spined the animal. IT completly shattering one vert, and a rib. It died in its tracks.

3 another I shot while videoing for a freind . I was on camera and he was shooting. but did not have a buck tag and I did. a buck came in and we decided to swap camera for bow. after asking him where he anchored I tried my best to imitate so his sights would be close for me. they were close but not exact I hit a few inches left of my intended spot and shot thru both shoulders and ribs on both sides it did not pass thru but buried to the fletches. There was no blood trail but we found it about 100 yds down the trail. The reason for no blood was, going thru both shoulders meant that the holes in the shoulders and the rib cage had to be lined up before the blood could redily escape the chest cavity.

so once again I'll have to say for durability , reliability and killability they are #1 in my book. Oh yeah Ive shot snuffers, zwickeys, bear ss , and today I'm shooting magnus. All have been 125 grain. with the exception of the bear heads and their like 132 gr w/o the bleeder. Most of my bow setups have been of the low speed high forgivingness variety. I am probably shooting my fastest setup now and thats only cause im shooting about 73 lbs, instead of 60 or 65.

any way thats my two cents
Bob