RE: 2 Bucks in 1 week
 

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If you say so, but I don't think that I, or any of the other guys on this board are like that.

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I am not saying you guy's are paocher's my point is I don't tolerate it. You guy's do seem like your getting very defensive. Once again what is the nj. law for that zone. Also to Trock I don't care what you say about how you shot for meat in the freezer it was very poor decision on your part even if you don't like or want my opion. First YES if you could not even determine weather or not it was a buck or doe yes you could have been mistaken for what your target was you even said your self it was getting dark and it was in thick brush then to top it off you willingly take a poor shot which I might add you got dang lucky with the results and thats all it was LUCK. With all the people posting about how they can't find their deer here you could have easily been one of them! So YES what you did by your own words and no assumption on anyone's part WAS UNETHICAL. However congradulations on 2 nice bucks. By the way to whom ever it was that said that maybe the people who were upset about this talk more about hunting than they do shooting deer I am 23 years old with 17 bucks killed in 3 differnt states and I have killed a 9 piont and a doe this year so far. I am in no way bragging but I do pride myself on taking a good clean shot becouse I feel that I owe it to the animal. Part of the reason I get so upset about people paoching and doing unethical things while hunting is becouse one person's actions reflect on every single one of us. I sure as heck don't want some yahoo (not that anyone here is) giving the anti's any fuel to feed their fire.

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6ptsika, sorry but you are wrong. I never assumed that Trock ever did anything wrong or illegal. I was asking a question. Here is the question that I asked.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Did you shoot an antlerless deer on Saturday the 26th or in the Morning of Monday the 28th prior to shooting that buck? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

To me that sounds like a question. I did assume (possibly wrongly) that all of NJ was &quot;earn a buck.&quot; I don't have my regs guide handy so I can't check to be sure. If zone 25 is not &quot;earn a buck&quot; then great, I am truly happy for Trock. If you don't like what I did, too bad. I don't mean to be rude, but all I did was ask a question (I never accused) based on my interpretation of the law. Is it so wrong that one hunter wants to police another? I am a law abiding ethical hunter. Ethics can vary from one hunter to the next, but the law does not. I follow the laws and expect every other hunter to do the same or he/she has not earned the right to call themselves a hunter. I have been harder on friends of mine when they did things that they viewed as &quot;bending the rules.&quot; We have enough pressure from the antis that to let illegal acts go without repurcussions in our own ranks would be self destructive. So next time you don't like me asking a question, think about why I am asking it before trying to criticize me for it.

Edited by - huntingbry on 10/31/2002 20:37:50

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From what I understand, zone 25 is covered by regulation set #6 (see link) which indicates that it is an &quot;earn-a-buck&quot; situation.

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/pdf/2002/dighnt02.pdf

That being said - they are 2 really nice bucks. I do hope that everything was on the up & up.

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Justin, thanks for the link. Here is the text from the NJ state fish and wildlife digest copied verbatim.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Regulation Set #6
Legal hunting hours: 1/2 hour before sunrise to 1/2 hour after sunset
ZONES: 15 & 25

Fall Bow—(24 days) Sept. 28–Oct. 25, 2002
Bag limit: Unlimited antlerless deer and ONE antlered deer may be
taken during the fall bow season, regardless of the zone from which it is
taken. Deer taken in other zones during the early fall bow season,
September 7–27, count toward this bag limit.
Permit Bow—(25 days) Oct. 26–Nov. 23 and Nov. 28–30, 2002
Bag limit: Unlimited antlerless deer and ONE antlered deer may be
taken during the permit bow season, regardless of the number of permits
purchased.
Permit Muzzleloader—(45 days)
Dec. 9–14, 2002—ANTLERLESS DEER ONLY
Dec. 2, 3, 16,17, 21, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 30, 31, 2002 and Jan. 1–31, 2003
Unlimited antlerless deer and ONE antlered deer may be taken during
the permit muzzleloader season, regardless of the number of permits
purchased. Two deer may be taken at one time.
Six-day Firearm—(6 days) Dec. 9–14, 2002
Bag limit: 2 antlered deer. Deer taken in other zones during the six-day
firearm season count towards this bag limit. Once you have harvested
your second buck during the six-day firearm season, your hunting must
stop for this season.
Permit Shotgun—(37 days)
Nov. 25, 26, 27, 29, Dec. 9–14, 2002—ANTLERLESS DEER ONLY
Dec. 18-20, 2002 and Jan. 4-31, 2003
Unlimited antlerless deer and ONE antlered deer may be taken during
the permit shotgun season, regardless of the number of permits
purchased. However, if 2 antlered deer were taken in the six-day firearm
season, the permit shotgun season bag limit is unlimited antlerless deer.
Two deer may be taken at one time.
Winter Bow—(27 days) Jan. 1–31, 2003
Bag limit: Unlimited antlerless deer and ONE antlered deer may be
taken during the winter bow season, regardless of the zone from which it
is taken. Deer taken in other zones during the winter bow season count
towards this bag limit.
Reminder: Hunters must have a valid BUCK STUB whenever
taking an antlered deer. Earn-A-Buck requirement ends after
Dec. 14, 2002. Use the 2002 buck stub for permit shotgun and
permit muzzleloader seasons which continue into January and
February 2003. For the 2003 winter bow season, use the 2003
winter bow buck stub. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

So, the question still stands Trock.

Did you harvest an antlerless deer on Saturday the 26th or Monday morning?

Please answer the question so I can hopefully eat crow and congratulate you (again).

6ptsika, please get your facts straight before sticking up for someone and criticizing another.

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Huntingbry, you make this too eeasy, bud. Pleease don't get upset again, but you are very confused. Don't despair, the average guy needs a lawyer to understand the regs for this state.
Simply look at regulation set #5 and #7. You will see that these sets are labeled EarnABuck after the season heading. All reg sets mention that EAB will end 12/14. That in no way means the reg sets all have EAB. Look for yourself at set #7, it should clear it up for you.
Once again, this gentleman had no requiremnt to shoot a doe first in zone 25.

Yes, huntingbry, you asked that question, but you prefaced it by saying he neeeded to shoot a doe to be legal. Wrong.
I'll go easy on ya bud, and leave it alone, with one parting thought.

&quot;please get your facts straight&quot;

Words to live by, huh? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Grim reaper, as you gain expeerience, you'll realize it's very difficult to accurately judge others without having been there. Any deer was legal, he made a lethal shot on a deer, what's the problem? Jealousy is not well received on the board.

Have fun beating this one to death, I'm heading to deer camp.





&quot;In heaven, even the fish have antlers&quot;

RE: 2 Bucks in 1 week
 

6ptsika, don't get too cocky, bud. If you read through the Regulation Sets you will realize that they only notate &quot;Earn a buck&quot; when there is special circumstances that are different than other zones. For example in the zone I hunt zone 14 it is notated that it is an &quot;Earn a buck&quot; zone even after December 14th, which is unusual. Also in the Regulation Set 7 that you mention it is &quot;Earn a buck&quot; for &quot;Sept. 7-27, 2002 Only&quot; which is why it is notated. If there was no &quot;Earn a buck&quot; regs for zone 25 why would they put the note at the end of the Regulation Set for that zone that says, &quot;Reminder: Hunters must have a valid BUCK STUB whenever
taking an antlered deer. Earn-A-Buck requirement ends after
Dec. 14, 2002. Use the 2002 buck stub for permit shotgun and
permit muzzleloader seasons which continue into January and
February 2003. For the 2003 winter bow season, use the 2003
winter bow buck stub.&quot;

Sounds to me like you would need a buck stub until December 14, 2002 in that zone. You are right though, the regs can be difficult to interpret. Even if Trock said, &quot;I thought it was a doe and the antlers were dark so I couldn't see them. I made a mistake&quot; or &quot;I didn't know my zone was earn a buck&quot; or even better, &quot;I shot a doe Saturday&quot; I would have no problem with it. Scenario 1 and 2 are honest mistakes and scenario 3 is ideal.

BTW, jealousy has nothing to do with this. I congratulate each and every hunter that I see posting about their success and I have already congratulated Trock. I just want to make sure everything is on the up and up.

If we could get an answer this would all be done with.

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Huntingbry I agree with what you say so far I also have looked at nj. regulation per the link provided below and I also believe that his area is an earn a buck area but I will know for sure in a day or so also I have sent an e-mail to the NJ. fgw about this issue. I do however strongly disagree with you on one thing you said that you could understand if he shot the the deer by mistake well thats just as bad as flat out poaching a deer I know I have said it before on here but rule #1 when hunting absolutly positivly with out a doubt IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET BEFORE SHOOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even if he did shoot it by mistake it is still ILLEGAL. 6pointsika I never said trock was a poacher or that his deer was illegal but I am questioning what is going and I find it extreamly wierd that all the sudden trock and his friend Bowdaddy have gotten quiet when people started to question his actions. If someone here was questioning me like this I would try to prove that I was in no way wrong. Such as taking a pic of my tags for the bucks or simply explaining the law in his area. Trock I realy honestly hope that it was on the up and up.

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Grim Reaper, I understand what you are saying, but I am just trying to give the benefit of the doubt. I really do hope that everything is legit and that my concerns are unfounded, but the sudden silence does bother me. Hopefully, there is a good honest explanation for all of this and it can be put to rest.

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yes sir you are haveing one heck of a year CONGRATS

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Ok folks here ya go.
ALL NJ EARN A BUCK PROGRAMS END ON DEC.14TH THAT IS THE END OF IT THROUGH OUT THE ENTIRE STATE.
EACH ZONE HOWEVER THAT IS UNDER EARN A BUCK HAS DIFFERENT TIMES AND SEASONS THAT IT IS UNDER EARN A BUCK
FOR EXAMPLE:
Regulation set #7 states that Earn-A-Buck is during Sept. 7–27, 2002 only and at no other time throughout the rest of the hunting season.
However, Regulation set #8 states
Earn-A-Buck during entire Fall Bow Season—September 7 – October 25, 2002:
And also
Permit Bow Season in the same Set Oct. 26–Nov. 23 and Nov. 28–30 and Dec. 2–,14, 2002—Earn-A-Buck:
And also
Permit Muzzleloader— in the same Regulation set Nov. 25, 26, 27, 29, 2002—ANTLERLESS DEER ONLY Dec. 2 and 3, 2002—Earn-A-Buck:
And as you can see regulation set # 8 covers quite a few zones in itself. ZONES: 5, 7, 8, 9*, 10, 11, 12, 13*, 14, 36, 41, 50 & 51
The reminder for Buck stubs and earn a buck is placed after every regulation set but does not apply to all zones. If a zone is under earn a buck the dates that it is under the earn a buck program will be listed within the guidlines for that regulation set.

Im sure my butcher would have had a problem taking in an illegal deer into his cooler knowing that they check him every other day and he also checks the deer there too and im sure he would have had something to say before he put the band on it and issued me another tag. HeHe

Also, I said it was low light I didnt say it was dark if you look at the horns on this deer and how dark they are and take into consideration that the dark woodline was the backdrop I could not see any horns on his head becuase they were so dark. Obviously if it was that dark I couldnt have seen the deer at all to shoot it.

6ptsika thanks for wathching my back, normally I check the boards every night but i came down with the flu wed. and have not been on my feet till today.

WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO 2BUCKS IN 1 WEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKK



The Brown-Down is ON!!!!
Steven J. Collins (Trock63)
Bowdaddy Productions

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Thats all great Trock but at the bottom of regulation#6 it say's &quot;Reminder: Hunters must have a valid BUCK STUB whenever
taking an antlered deer. Earn-A-Buck requirement ends after
Dec. 14, 2002. Use the 2002 buck stub for permit shotgun and
permit muzzleloader seasons which continue into January and
February 2003. For the 2003 winter bow season, use the 2003
winter bow buck stub. &quot; I recieved an e-mail back from fgw and accrording to them area's falling under regulation #6 are eab and that unless other wise stated the season weather it is permit bow or bow season falls under this regulation. So that means in your area eab is over Dec. 14 I never seen any thing in regulation 6 about permit bow season not being eab. Then again maybe the state of NJ. is interpreting their law wrong?

RE: 2 Bucks in 1 week
 

Reaper please do me a favor and forward me the message that you recieved and tell me the persons name that you spoke to: [email protected]
I will then ask my buddy who is a game warden if he knows who this person is and why I wasnt fined and all my gear confiscated on the spot when I checked the deer in at the check station.


The Brown-Down is ON!!!!
Steven J. Collins (Trock63)
Bowdaddy Productions

RE: 2 Bucks in 1 week
 

Hey Reaper,
Just because you haven't heard from me in a while doesn't mean I'm hiding!
I have a life outside of this post and believe me my top priority in that life is not worrying about misguided people such as yourself.
You can quote the generalities of NJ gaming laws all you want but the fact of the matter is TROCK is 100% LEGAL!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
And for those of you ripping him and calling his shot unethical, why don't you be a MAN and not then congratulate him.
If you disagree with the shot why would you ever say congrats on the kill.
You should do some whining about that to.
Everything about this kill was legal and ethical, WHY it is so important for some of you guys to make it neither is beyond me!
And don't bother coming back saying whats wrong with asking questions or not agreeing with the shot!
You guys have gone way beyond that!!!
You've asked the questions and they have been answered and whether your willing to admit it or not you have called him a liar and a poacher.
And just because you haven't come out and said &quot;Liar&quot;, by continuing to accuse him of needing to shoot a doe first, or being in the &quot;Earn a buck&quot; program, which we are not! Is nothing short of calling us LIARS!!!
I know your new to the post but I think you ought to take a step back and relax.

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I don't know anything about NJ game laws and I don't care. Congrats on the great bucks!

I will however, add my 2 cents on one portion of this thread.

Unless you were there, you cannot possibly judge the shot as ethical or unethical. It is impossible to accuarately determine a good shot by a few spoken words on a forum post. Absolutely impossible! You don't know how dark it was. You don't know exactly what was seen. Basically, you don't know anything. To judge this shot is very presumptuous and uncalled for.

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Trock I have deleted the e-mail but however you your self may e-mail them also by getting on thier site. I e-mailed them and asked if regulation zone#6 was in the earn a buck program and they e-mailed me back and said that unless other wise stated the particular season is in in earn a buck. I then looked at regulation #6 and it say's reminder earn a buck regulation ends Dec. 14 2002 so I it sure seems that yes earn a buck is effect. If I am wrong I am sorry but I honestly feel that you needed to shoot a doe. If you were checked by a warden I quess you are legal but then again who knows? Either way I stated my peice if you don't like it sorry this is public opions board. Trock I realy hope I am wrong but for some reason I just don't think thats the case here. As far as the issue on the shot well it was your decision but in my opion was a poor decision and I would have waited for a better shot. Intentional aiming away from your normal shot zone and hopeing for a good hit is just that &quot; shooting and hopeing&quot; which is very irresponsible and very unethical come on you can argue with me all you want but you owe to that animal not me not even yourself. Just look at hom many times this year people have posted &quot;help me find my deer&quot; or &quot; is he dead yet?&quot; I know that every one will loose a deer at some point but to porposly do some thing marginal uuughhh. Good luck with your hunting.

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Ok im very tired of this post. Im sorry I ever wrote it. But none the less I know that my deer is legal, the shot was ok and im comfortable with that.
This issue is now dead and will see no more of my time.
Thanks for all the positive notes and support guys. Good luck the rest of the season and I hope all your bucks are WIDE AND HIGH!!!

The Brown-Down is ON!!!!
Steven J. Collins (Trock63)
Bowdaddy Productions

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wow those are 2 awsome bucks congrats!

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Trock, thanks for stepping up and answering the question. You shot the buck with the thought that you were acting within the guidelines of the law. I can tell by your candid expanation that you had no intention of any wrong doing. I said it before, but congrats. That's a lot of points in one week. I hope that you don't think that I was in any way trying to take away from your accomplishments with my question. That was not my intent. With so many people out there that act without regard for the laws we have to police our own ranks. I'm glad to see that you are on the right side. Congrats again.

Bowdaddy, relax buddy. I was not trying to call anyone a lyar or make accusations. I was asking a question to make sure everything was legit. If nothing wrong was done (which is the case IMO) there is nothing to get upset about. Good luck to the both of you the rest of the season.

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Thanks HuntingBry
You have a great season too.

The Brown-Down is ON!!!!

Steven J. Collins (Trock63)
Bowdaddy Productions