Penetrating the Shoulder Blade
04-05-2006, 05:21 AM
#1
Nontypical Buck
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Flushing Michigan
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Penetrating the Shoulder Blade
I would never intentionally try to shoot through the shoulder blade of a deer but sometimes bad shots happen accidently. How much kinetic energy does it take to consistently penetrate the shoulder blade of a deer? I get between 73 and 80 ft-lbs depending on which arrow I shoot out of my Hoyt Razortec at 70lbs and 30" draw. I plan on using a slick trick 1 1/8" Magnum 100 grain broadhead this year. I'm going to Illinois on a once in a lifetime hunt this fall and I want every advantage I can get for those big Pike county suckers.....
04-05-2006, 05:40 AM
#2
Typical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Mifflin Co. Pa
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RE: Penetrating the Shoulder Blade
I get considerably less KE from my setup (around 63lbs)and i have passed throughshoulders with Muzzy's and also Magnus stingers. I think you have more than enough KE. Thats not the best shot to take but I havent had a deer run more than 100 yards after being hit dead center in the shoulder. Good luck in Illinois this season.
Zach
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04-05-2006, 07:53 AM
#4
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dover, PA USA
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RE: Penetrating the Shoulder Blade
KE, momentum,arrow diameter, arrow material, arrow tune, shot angles, location on the shoulder blade itself (it's not the same thickness througout),animal size,broadhead design,cutting diameter......am I missing anything?
There are too many variables involved to narrow down a "Shoot don't shoot" involving shoulder blades on animals.
There will be those that say they can shoot through, those that can't ,even those that say they shoot through BOTH shoulders??
Which also begs the question if some even know enough about animal anatomy to determine exactlyt what was hit.
The far edge of the "paddle" is different than the bony ridge of the spine of the shoulder blade.
Too many factors to make direct comparisons without in depth forensic type stuff.
Bottom line:
Do what you are doing in planning for the worst, do your best to avoid that shot and hope that one or more of the above variables comes through for you if you find yourself in that situation.
There are too many variables involved to narrow down a "Shoot don't shoot" involving shoulder blades on animals.
There will be those that say they can shoot through, those that can't ,even those that say they shoot through BOTH shoulders??
Which also begs the question if some even know enough about animal anatomy to determine exactlyt what was hit.The far edge of the "paddle" is different than the bony ridge of the spine of the shoulder blade.
Too many factors to make direct comparisons without in depth forensic type stuff.
Bottom line:
Do what you are doing in planning for the worst, do your best to avoid that shot and hope that one or more of the above variables comes through for you if you find yourself in that situation.
04-05-2006, 10:22 AM
#5
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: Hughesville, PA USA
Posts: 18,322
RE: Penetrating the Shoulder Blade
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
KE, momentum,arrow diameter, arrow material, arrow tune, shot angles, location on the shoulder blade itself (it's not the same thickness througout),animal size,broadhead design,cutting diameter......am I missing anything?
There are too many variables involved to narrow down a "Shoot don't shoot" involving shoulder blades on animals.
There will be those that say they can shoot through, those that can't ,even those that say they shoot through BOTH shoulders??Which also begs the question if some even know enough about animal anatomy to determine exactlyt what was hit.
The far edge of the "paddle" is different than the bony ridge of the spine of the shoulder blade.
Too many factors to make direct comparisons without in depth forensic type stuff.
Bottom line:
Do what you are doing in planning for the worst, do your best to avoid that shot and hope that one or more of the above variables comes through for you if you find yourself in that situation.
KE, momentum,arrow diameter, arrow material, arrow tune, shot angles, location on the shoulder blade itself (it's not the same thickness througout),animal size,broadhead design,cutting diameter......am I missing anything?
There are too many variables involved to narrow down a "Shoot don't shoot" involving shoulder blades on animals.
There will be those that say they can shoot through, those that can't ,even those that say they shoot through BOTH shoulders??
Which also begs the question if some even know enough about animal anatomy to determine exactlyt what was hit.The far edge of the "paddle" is different than the bony ridge of the spine of the shoulder blade.
Too many factors to make direct comparisons without in depth forensic type stuff.
Bottom line:
Do what you are doing in planning for the worst, do your best to avoid that shot and hope that one or more of the above variables comes through for you if you find yourself in that situation.
04-05-2006, 10:59 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kodiak, AK
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RE: Penetrating the Shoulder Blade
When you hit heavy bone the whole world of kinetic energy theory gets turned on its ear, momentum becomes the driving force then. The best thing to do is concentrate on accuracy and avoid the problem all together.
04-05-2006, 02:30 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Penetrating the Shoulder Blade
ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher
When you hit heavy bone the whole world of kinetic energy theory gets turned on its ear, momentum becomes the driving force then. The best thing to do is concentrate on accuracy and avoid the problem all together.
When you hit heavy bone the whole world of kinetic energy theory gets turned on its ear, momentum becomes the driving force then. The best thing to do is concentrate on accuracy and avoid the problem all together.
04-05-2006, 03:32 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Woodsboro Md USA
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RE: Penetrating the Shoulder Blade
hey what these guys are saying is right on!!!!!!!!if you hit the shoulder near the socket most likely your not going to penatrate at all.the shoulder blade is a different storyyou mite get through one of those,two i dont know. unless you got gun powered behind your arrow i would stay away from that shoulder, rather hit him a little far back then in the shoulder!!!! Good luck on your hunt this year. let us know how you do out there!!!!!!!!!!
