Slick Tricks and Elk?
 

Has anyone used slick trick heads on elk? What kind of penetration did you get and what poundage were you shooting?

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go to their website and e-mail gary, he's got all the info you need. super nice dude. they'll work on whatever you want to shoot.

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better yet, go to www.ardeerhunting.com, then go to forum, then bowhunting. on page 5 there is a post called "slick trick questions". the owner of slick trick, gary,(i think he's posted as old hoot or something) got into this thread and provided lots of insight and information of the tricks. i think you'll find it interesting if you're thinking of trying them.

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sorry BD, first you have to go to arkansas hunting chat room.

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Bow, if you go to slicktrick.net and click on Slick Trick Pics you will see a good assortment of animals. The African animals were all taken with Magnums except for the lady who used the 85s on the warthogs. Last fall I came out with the 1" Standards for anybody who wanted super penetration. I call them Standard because the 4 blades will blow as big a hole as the best selling 3 blade heads, but is more accurate, stronger and outpenetrates them. If a Standard won't penetrate nothing else will. By the way, on bowsite there is a guy who posted a pic of a tricked elk, its a real beaut.

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Hey Oldhootowl...

Slick Tricks are really amazing (like you've heard hundreds of times before ;)). I recently swapped the 125gr blades for the 100gr blades that you sent me a while ago. And they still fly like bullets! I shot the 1" standard Slick Trick into a strong headwind and the arrow still hit exactly where I aimed!

Getting back on topic... I have heard that the 1 1/8" magnum Slick Tricks will blow through the toughest animals (elk included) and the 1" standard Slick Tricks are perfect for maximum penetration on deer.

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OldHootowl -

You are the man. I can't wait to try my slick tricks on a big Illinois buck this year. I'll be shooting the 100 gr magnums from a 70 pount Hoyt Razortec with Carbon Express CX300 arrows. That oughta stop em!

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all this talk about these heads has made me decide to push my muzzy's aside and give the slick tricks a shot next month when i leave afghanistan. now i just need to decide what new bow to shoot them from.

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Leaving Afghanistan to zing some arrows, now THAT sounds like a plan. When you order write on the form I said I would give you a combat discount and pay the shipping.

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I've been using Muzzy's for the last 12 or so years and really liked them alot. I think this coming year (deer season) I'm going to give the Slick Tricks a shot. I really like the fact of the all steel ferrule, should be pretty rugged.

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OK>>>> OK.... so I'm interested. Old Coot or HOOT[8D][8D]can you clarify one thing for me. You mentioned you came out with the 1" head for people who wanted super penetration. I've always been a fan of "a little bigger"... "a little heavier", meaning 125 grain On paper I'd pick the 125s with the 1 1/8 inch diameter. It almost sounds like you're saying the 1" are better????? I mean, I can't see much in this head to slow my penetration. I've shot dozens of deer(probably close to 40 or 45)with my 125 Thunderheads and have always gotten pass throughs. It would seem to me the extra blade wouldn't slow my penetration THAT much that would make it necessary to go to a smaller weight head???? Am I right. I'm pushing a 425 grain arrow at 263-265 fps. NO one has mentioned sharpness out of the box? I am a clutz with a sharpener. I've always just shot my Thunderheads and put in new blades when I had the thing tuned. I never felt a need to sharpen them. Someone tell me the deal????

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I've heard some complain about the sharpness out of the box, but that has never been my experience. I have found them to be extremely sharp. I believe 5 shot graded the sharpness on his site also.

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Davidmil, let me send you a PM... ;)

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YUP, 5 Shot gave them a B-. That to me makes me not want to try them. I really don't think I should have to finish the job for a manufacturer by sharpening his blades.

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What kind of a rating did Muzzy's get? I know from experience that they truly are "Bad to the bone". I just want to experiment and try something different and new.

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Actually 5 shot gives Tricks a B and Muzzy a B. As to penetration, let me clarify. Both the 100 and 125 use the same blades, and there are two sizes of blades that interchange, 1" Standard and 1 1/8" Magnum.

The Magnums will penetrate about the same as a Thunderhead while blowing a larger hole. The Standards are called standard because the 4 blades and geometry will blow as good a hole as the standard 3 blade head such as TH and Muzzy, while outpenetrating them.

Just a choice to customize taste. Some guys shooting 70 lbs prefer to shoot Standards at everything and some prefer Mags.

I would recommend the Standards to those shooting less than 60 lbs.
And, for 60-70 lbs I prefer the Mags for deer and bear, and the Standards for elk and such. Since the blades interchange you could buy a pack of Mags and an extra pack of Standard blades to swap in and be ready with either. But, thats me and I like super penetration for bigger stuff.

But all the African animals on the site were shot with Mags except for the warthogs that the lady shot with 85s. That was before the Standards came out last fall, will be interesting to see which becomes more popular. Standards are picking up with guys who figure they have a good open hole with them and like the super penetration.

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Oldhootowl,

That's just what I did (thank you BTW...). I have the 125 grain 1 1/8" magnums and also the 1" standards. Since I got my new bow and calculated it shooting 273fps at 67# draw with a Beman ICS 340 arrow, I swapped out the blades and put in the standards. They still fly like bullets! :D

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Why can't they come with a better edge on them? Really, they could be a lot sharper. I'm not impressed with "Blowing big holes" as much as I am with razor sharp. I'll get down to Len's and look at them but I really like sharp.

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Why would you make a statment like "Really, they could be a lot sharper." when you have not even seen them yet. I'm assuming that you have not seen them from your second comment which I quoted.

Sounds to me like there will probably be some bias there for some strange reason. Maybe you could explain.

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I havea question Oldhoot,would hunters be able to use a 1"blade and a 1-1/8" blade combined to give the hunter 2 different cutting diameters on one broad head? Is it even possible? Just wondering,i will be using your heads this season for deer and most likely i will order direct from your site.

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Because two people I respect their knowledge told me they're dull. Plus 5 SHOTS test said they're dull. PLUS, I went to Lens today and looked at them. They're beyond dull. You can run your finger up and down the things and not get cut. They don't have the beginning of an edge as far as I'm concerned... but hey, why would I say that? Because they're dull.

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The Slick Tricks I bought last year(magnums) are sharp enough to shave the hair on the back of my hand. I just now pulled a blade out of the pack and tried.:D They are not as sharp as Thunderheads but they definatelykill whitetail deer with no problems. All my shots with them last year were pass throughs with zero damage to the ferrule or the blades. I really have no idea how they would work on elk but they work as advertised on a whitetail.

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I really find any research that you have done suspect.

Didwe reading the same test results? Did you actually read 5-shots test results?

5-shot:
http://www.broadheadtests.com/NEWHEADS.html


BTW, theblades I used were sharp (now I'm not saying sharpest on the market) and needed no additional sharpening. I no longer use the broadhead since I have gone 100% traditional and prefer a cut on contact head.The slick trickblades are very thick, close to twice the thickness of aMuzzy, so I can understand how maybe they give the appearance of maybe not being as sharp as a thinner blade. I like the thickness of the blade since it can withstand a lot of practice. The thinest blade that I have everbought was on a rocket buckblaster (fixed blade), but the blade wasn't worth a hoot for durabilitybut it was sharp.I shot it into a target once and bent it. Theslick trick bladesI had could shave easily - for whatever that is worth, and on the three deer that I killed with the head, I had very good penetration, and blood trails.

That is why I really wonder about your biasness, misquoted statement, and overall opinion.

RE: Slick Tricks and Elk?
 

davidmil,
If you are implying that Slick Tricks are too dull to get the job done, you are sadly mistaken. Can they be sharper sure, do they need to be sharper? I have been using the Magnum 125 grainSlick Tricks for 4 seasons, and my inthe fieldexperiences say no. Ihave harvested atleast a dozen whitetail and bear with them. All pass throughs, and quick humane kills. To me, The true testis in the field not standing in a retail store. There aremany very good heads out there. The Slick Trick being one of them. I personally have never shot a better all around head, and that is coming form a former Muzzy and Thunderhead guy.

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Didwe reading the same test results? Did you actually read 5-shots test results?

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It says DULL. B minus is not sharp in my way of thinking. PLUS, I can't cut myself with the things without making a concerted effort. You run your fingers down a thunderhead and it's bleeding badly.
Slick Trick 100 grain 4 blade:
Plywood: 5 points
Steel drum: 4 points
Tire: 2 points
Cutting diameter: 3 points
Accuracy: 4 points
Blades 4 points
Non-mechanical head 2 points
Total Score: 24 with a blade sharpness rating of B-

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True... It's due to the overall thickness of the blades on the Slick Tricks. That's why it seemsthey don't slice your finger to ribbons.

What I have done (to the 100gr blades that Oldhootowl sent me) is run them carefully on a wetstone and held tight by a someneedlenose pliers. Then in the same needlenose pliers, I buffed them with a dremel and the tiny buffing wheel. These 100gr Slick Tricks that I have are now wickedly sharp! Run your finger down these blades, and you WILL get cut.... [&:]

The most deadliest, most nastiest, most evil, broadhead that I have seen to date is the Magnus Stinger. You mentioned the Thunderhead and running your finger down it will get you bleeding badly. You run your finger down a Magnus Stinger and you're missing a finger!!!! [&:][:o]

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I'm just not seeing where it says dull. Maybe you could provide a link. Maybe that is your opinion, which you gave even before examining the heads,but the report does not say dull. What is says is truthfully quoted below.


Once again, from 5-shot.

I understand that you do not believe B- is not sharp. But you're not reporting the correct score (B) and are ignorring that supporting statement by 5-shot that the blades are very sharp.

I don't seehow theese findings by 5-shot can be interpreted to mean that this is a dull blade. Maybe that is how you interpreted it, but that is not what is written.

Just wondering what your motivation is to keep reporting inaccurate research, or convienently leaving outor ignorring informationto just to support your case.

Trying to puposely cut yourself (with any material) really makes me wonder.


Butch, I agree with you on the sharpness of the Stingers. I used them with my longbow last year and took a very nice deer. I had blood thrown up to four feet on both sides of the trail in the snow. Below is a picture:

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What i think is if your not satisfied with blade sharpness out of the package SHARPEN them yourself and all your problems will be over.

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I couldn't have said it better myself! ;)

I believe (IMHO) that I have the best of both worlds with broadheads....
#1 Broadhead to reach for: Magnus Stinger.
#1 Broadhead to reach for in windy conditions: Slick Tricks.

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I copied the B- with a copy paste from his test. Here's the link: http://www.american-hunter.com/broadheads/slick_trick_100_grain_4_blade.htm He evidently has two different locations. Second, I give. I've already said I'm no expert at sharpening. You use what you want, I'll use what I want. I'm not pushing arteries aside. If I nick them they bleed. That will never be the case with this broadhead. BUT...> UNCLE... I give. I just felt the people of this board should be exposed to all sides of an arguement, especially when it's such a critical element of our set ups. Obviously there are far better choices than this overly small dull broadhead.

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This is i guess the second test after blade improvements http://www.broadheadtests.com/NEWHEADS.html

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I give also.

I'll probably never use the head again anyway. It was great with the compound, but its Muzzy Phantoms and Magnus Stingers for me with traditional setup. Just hated to see such biasness and misquotes being used. Especially against such adecent head.

BobCo

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I know... A lot of people slam on the Slick Tricks.

To me they are a ruggedly strong broadhead that flies EXACTLY like a field tip. But they just aren't the sharpest thing out there... No biggie... I sharpened them up to how I wanted them to be.