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From what I've seen in my neck of the woods, the button bucks get kicked away within that first year, before the rut starts. I say that for a couple of different reasons. 1)Earlier this year I watched a doe and her doe fawn trying hard to stay away from ( I assume) her button fawn that was bleating and chasing them. I don't speak dear very well but I swore his bleat sounded like &quot;mom, why are you running away from me!&quot;. I kind of felt bad for the little guy. 2)Unfortunately I have shot a couple of button bucks in the past few years (good eating but not the way I'd like to do things on our land) and they have always been by themselves whereas the doe fawns are still with their moms. That's just my two cents worth.. very possible it varies state to state and doe to doe.



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Thank you for the informed reply.

&quot;Size may not matter but it sho IS nice!&quot; [/quote]

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From what I've seen in my neck of the woods, the button bucks get kicked away within that first year, before the rut starts. I say that for a couple of different reasons. 1)Earlier this year I watched a doe and her doe fawn trying hard to stay away from ( I assume) her button fawn that was bleating and chasing them. I don't speak dear very well but I swore his bleat sounded like &quot;mom, why are you running away from me!&quot;. I kind of felt bad for the little guy. 2)Unfortunately I have shot a couple of button bucks in the past few years (good eating but not the way I'd like to do things on our land) and they have always been by themselves whereas the doe fawns are still with their moms. That's just my two cents worth.. very possible it varies state to state and doe to doe.



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Badger,
Thank you for the informed reply.

&quot;Size may not matter but it sho IS nice!&quot; [/quote]

We discussed this in detail on the QDM board during the summer - its excellent reading - it may take a while for the link to come up because its archived - its worth the wait:

http://forum.hunting.net/bbs/topic.a...44&FORUM_ID=10

Basically, most studies indicate that of male deer that disperse - 25% do so in the spring, the balance in the fall, just prior to the rut. This explains the influx of &quot;new&quot; yearling bucks we see just as the hunting opens, and the &quot;disappearance&quot; of many yearlings we watch during the summer months.

Interesting. I haven't shot a button buck yet with a gun or bow.(hopefully I won't either) Very intersting reply by Northern Badger about the fawn button buck. Here where I hunt I have seen quite a bit of young deer and will try to avoid those buttons. Who knows how big they'll be in a few years.

I shot a button last year; thought it was a doe. I watched what I thought was an older buck chasing a doe,But it seeed awful early in the year. In reality it was Daddy chasing off the youngster to get at mom. Didn't figure that out till dragging him out though. Felt terrible. I asked the landowner if he had a preferance as to what I shot...&quot;don't shoot the buttons.&quot;
Wow did I feel terrible. I know that scenario now and look VERY carefully when a buck's chasing a &quot;doe&quot; and the rut isn't kicked in yet.

I'd have to agree with Northern Badger on this. I've made the same observations this year already. I've seen a few mature doe with doe fawns and I've seen a few button bucks that were all alone. I've never really given it much thought , until now. From the info given from the QDM site , I'll have to try my hardest to remove the mother from the herd. In the past I would let the doe with youngins walk , but if it will increase the odds of the young bucks sticking around by harvesting the mom<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

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My understanding is that they are chased off when they are 1 1/2 years old, not as yearling fawns. If you want them to stick around, shoot their momma!
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According to the wildlife biologist that was taking data from deer at the Wildlife Management Area I hunt, A 1 1/2 year old deer IS a yearling.



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