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BobCo19-65 11-30-2005 01:27 PM

RE: Do NOT risk your life NEEDLESSLY...
 
I would suggest that if you are going to use a non-stretch type rope (static) as the tether rope, that you at least use a dynamic rope (stretchable) rope to connect your harness to the ascender. I believe I paid about .59 cents per foot for my rope 3/8 static (black). It's hard to find but some companies do make camo colored rock climbing rope.

mobow 11-30-2005 04:38 PM

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Guys, I never hunt out of a fixed position stand. I rely SOLEY on climbers. I wear my harness now at all times. Would this system be practical for a climber?

vc1111 11-30-2005 06:31 PM

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No, mobowhuntr, it would not. It requires the attachment of a rope which remains on the tree. Unless you used the climber on the same few trees over and over again it would be impractical.

Of course, if you use your climber you could use your safety harness all the way up and down. I say that presuming that you have a harness similar to the one provided by Summit.

mobow 11-30-2005 06:48 PM

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OK, thanks. From what I understood about the sytem, I didn't think it would. In fact, a Summit is what I use.

I just had a thought. If I used the static rope to also pull up my bow and my backpack, would that weight be enough? It seems to me that you just need something to anchor the tag end of the rope down so it doesn't pull up when you slide the ascender up the rope. Or is my line of thinking totally off here?

The Mind 11-30-2005 08:42 PM

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Mikey S.WHY do out of shape, overweight people fall more often and have more mishaps than healthy people who excercise frequently ? You smoke don't you ? A bit overweight ? Trying to justify to yourself something ?

vc1111 I am listening

Mikey S. 12-01-2005 06:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: The Mind

Mikey S.WHY do out of shape, overweight people fall more often and have more mishaps than healthy people who excercise frequently ? SHOW ME THE STATS.

You smoke don't you ? NOPE

A bit overweight ? 5'10", 205 LBS. I WEAR 34" PANTS, COMFORTABLY.

Trying to justify to yourself something ? NOPE. I JUST DON'T THINK PHYSICAL HEALTH MATTERS THAT MUCH WHEN A STAND OR STEP BREAKS AND YOU FREE-FALL20-25 FEETTO THE GROUND. CLIMBING THE TREE, YEA, I'M WITH YOU THERE. BUT THAT'S AN OBVIOUS POINT ANYONE CAN UNDERSTAND. PERHAPS WE'RE BOTH TRYING TO MAKE DIFFERENT POINTS. I'M BASING MINE ON THE CHANCE OF EQUIPMENT FAILURE SENDING YOU TO THE GROUND. YOU'RE BASING YOUR'S ON THE PHYSICAL ABILITY TO ACTUALLY CLIMBA TREEUSING STEPS, LADDERS ETC. WITHOUTMUSCLE/CARDIOVASCULAR FAILURE WHICH CAN LEAD TO LOOSING ONE'S GRIP OR FOOTING.... IN TURN LEADING TO A DATE WITH THE DIRT BELOW. I PERSONALLY KNOW 3 PHYSICALLY FIT, NON-SMOKING, NON-DRINKING ADULT MALES WHO COULD DRAG A DEER AND ME AND YOUUP A CLIFF WITH A 20LB. STAND ON THEIR BACK.I WATCHED 2 OF THEM HIT THE GROUND ON SEPARATE OCCASIONS AFTERA STAND BROKE FOR ONE GUY, AND A STEP BROKE FOR THE OTHER. TRUST ME, THERE WAS NOTHING THEY COULD OF DONE TO STOP THE FALL, OTHER THAN TIE THEMSELVES TO THE TREE.


GMMAT 12-01-2005 12:28 PM

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Mind:

I already reported that I'm in very good shape....so don't go there.

My question is WHY would you go out of your way to post on a subject.....seemingly trying to get people to NOT overestimate the importance of being tethered to a tree.....and foresaking a fall.

I just don't get it?

You do as you please....butI don't appreciate being preached to by someoneobviously behind metrying to cut in line to be first to prove that natural selection is alive and well.

Jeff

vc1111 12-01-2005 06:28 PM

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vc1111 I am listening
Thank you, The Mind. I appreciate that you'd at least listen to an idea even though you might need to think about it for a while. That's okay. You aren't the only person I've ever heard of that doesn't use any protection while stand hunting.

I'm now 53 years old. I guess I've lived long enough to know that I'm not really as invincible as I used to think that I was.

None of those that ever fell from a stand really intended to fall. They all thought that they could "handle it;" that it would never happen to them.

Mobowhuntr, I'm not sure I follow you. You see the rope would have to be secured at the top to climb up; even if you placed the rope after having climbed up (to use it as haul rope), you could then climb down with it, but you'd have to leave it secured to the top of the tree to do so. See what I mean? Or am I misunderstanding you? I apologize if I am.





mobow 12-01-2005 06:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: vc1111



Mobowhuntr, I'm not sure I follow you. You see the rope would have to be secured at the top to climb up; even if you placed the rope after having climbed up (to use it as haul rope), you could then climb down with it, but you'd have to leave it secured to the top of the tree to do so. See what I mean? Or am I misunderstanding you? I apologize if I am.
No, you are understanding me. I use the same tree quite often, and leaving it secured at altitude wouldn't be a problem. The only draw back is I would be unsecured while climbing the first time.

OK.....let's say I am in a fixed position stand. Let's leave the climber out of it. To make my question more unobscured......Does the tag end HAVE to be tied to the base of the tree, or could it be used as a haul line?

A.D.D. BOY 12-01-2005 06:34 PM

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Glad you posted it.


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