RE: Losing deer on great blood
 

Don't let David confuse you...:DHe's absolutely right!!!;).On gun shot deer this can also be true,but with a bow poorly hit deer do just as he says.I recovered a one lung hit doe a week and a half ago,and she went 300yds with hardly no blood.Speck by speck I crawled on hands and knees for nearly 2 hours,until I found her just like Daivds saying.A friend and I have both neck shot deer,and they went 400-500 yds before expiring.WithAWESOME blood trails.They will literaly bleed slap out,to the point where...say only a 35mm film canister's worth of blood is left in them.You may find where they have kicked around,then they may do a mad dash,and pile up inthe brush.I am 1 for 2 on shoulder shot deer with a bow.100% with a gun.Of the 2 shot with a bow,the one 1/4 towards was hit in the heart,and died.The one 1/4 away survived.So,If I had to take a 1/4 shot it would be 1/4 towards,atleast there is a better chance of hitting something vital..O.K. back to tracking.Sometimes deer will travel back along the exact route,and then cut off in another direction.I have found deer by finding the last blood..walking back on the blood trail,and finding where they went another direction.It's one common tactic they use to escape deer dogs down here,and it's something I was lucky enough to learn.

Were you using a muzzy?[&o]My friends lose deer to them every year.But they will not stop using them.I didn't like them either.I beg and plead for them to switch to another brandSomehow muzzy remains one of the most popular broadheads,I guess thanks to all the smart marketing,because on game performance is only equal to other heads AT BEST.Not superior by far.I mean geez when I started bow hunting the way people talked about them I thought all I had to do was touch a deer with it,and he would pile up....not hardly[8D].I have since learned alot about advertising,and the hunting industry...well industry in general.I'll stop babbling:D.Good luck for next time.Hope I helped.:)

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My nephew lost a doe once to a shoulder blade hit. I tracked this deer one evening into the night and early the next day and finally found it only to watch it get up and limp away.[:@] He was using a muzzy also. Muzzys are advertised as being "Bad to the Bone", NOT "Bad Through The Bone". I think it's possible to shoot through the sholder blades it you want to crank your bow weight up high enough but for me I'll continue to use my mechanicals and take that broadside or quartering away shot 4 to 6 inches behind the shoulder.

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Justa thought to throw out there. I have hit several bucks in the opposite shoulder and have broken it, I'm talking the thicker part where the ridge is, and it is cracked in half, busted completely. BUT I hita doe on the way in on the shoulder bone and it didn't break, small chip out of the bone.
Now my question is....do you think it is easier to break a deer's shoulder bone hitting it from the inside(opposing shoulder) than it is when you hit it from the near shoulder?

RE: Losing deer on great blood
 

Atlas, my apoligies if I upset you with anything I said earlier. That was surely not my intent. And, thanks for the geometry lesson.:D

The shoulder hit that took my buck this year was the large, flat bone with the ridge. I am referring to the same bone? The arrow passed through it, and went out the other side of the animal, just back of the opposite front leg. Now, the arrow was still in him when he took off after the shot, but it was in fact a very lethal shot, taking both lungs. I was using the new Rocky Mountain Snyper XP3 mechanical. He made it a mere 60 yards before expiring. Guttingrevealed a double lung kill.

And for the sake of accuracy, I was shooting a Bowtech Allegiance set at 65lbs and 28" draw. Total arrow weight is 360 grains. I don't consider this setup ideal for this type of hit but it worked this time. Maybe I got lucky.

For my sake, I included this image with the bone I hit circled. This is the same shoulder bone everyone is referring to?

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I am confused....Muzzyman88 using Snyper XP3's????[8D]J/K muzzyman88;).I used the original snypers with awesome results.I will try the XP3's next year,for back-ups.I am currently using Ti's,and had a great result from a bad hit.The deer turned to me at the exact time I Hit my release.I clipped one lung real high,and exited in the midsection.Poor tracking due to intestines not letting the blood out,but her chest cavity filled up with blood,and let some come out the high entrance hole.Enough to find her.

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Oh god..........not at all. Just trying to make sure we are all talking about the same thing..........which apparently we were not.

The bone you punched through is the shoulder blade (scapula).


Anyways........glad you found your deer............and Yea......why don't you shoot Muzzy with a name like that??

RE: Losing deer on great blood
 

have been seeing a lot of shouder hit deer on hunting video's. With what looks like very little penetration the deer remarkably dies before going out of sight. I'd like to know how they do it..........dabow

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Those Penned raise deer are not as tough as the ones in the Wild!!!

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I always get asked that question on here.:D I used to shoot the Muzzy, but last season, I wanted to try a mechanical. The only one that caught my attention was the Snypers. The blades coming back and out mean less penetration loss. I took a doe last year with them with excellent results. The only thing about the originals I didn't like was the tip. They changed that this year with the XP3. I figured I'd have better bone perfermance in case my shot wasn't exactly perfect. Thank goodness I used them this year. I seriously doubt I would have killed that buck with the originals.

I still like the Muzzy, and would never hesitate to use them. But for now, i'm very please with the XP3's.

I too don't understand the hunting shows shot placement a lot of times. Way too close to the shouldar region. Like one person here said, stay back away from the shoulder a little bit gives more wiggle room.

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I did like the looks of the XP3's tip.It is sharpened too.I will use them next year.