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monsterbuckland 10-04-2002 07:11 PM

must read anti deer hunting article! wow! unreal!
 
check out this link to a ny based humane society, tree hugging granola eaters! read these totally uninformed B.S. that this moron has to offer these idiots,,, its sickening!!

President Message:
DEC Makes Big Money from Deer Hunting


Now that deer hunting season is at a close, I feel compelled to correct some misinformation that I hear every year, such as, "If we didn't hunt, we'd be overrun with deer." These claims, although heavily promoted, are false. Hunting actually creates a surplus of deer due to the deliberate manipulation of deer populations by the Dept. of Environmental Conservation (DEC).

How is this done? By regulating hunting so that most of the deer killed are bucks. Let's say that we have an unhunted herd of deer consisting of 200 deer -- 100 does and 100 bucks, the ratio that would most naturally occur in nature Contrast that with a hunted herd using a "buck-only hunting policy" that also has 200 deer -- 180 does and 20 bucks. Given the same food conditions, the first herd will produce 100 fawns resulting in a total of 300 deer, and the second herd will produce 180 fawns, resulting in 380 deer, thus each year increasing the size of the herd that is hunted.

Ideally, for the hunters, if the desired number of bucks and does are taken each year, the herd will be composed of the lowest number of males and highest number of breeding females. Reducing the number of bucks in the fall provides more food for the pregnant does, allowing them to survive and give birth to more fawns than they would normally. As a result, a maximum fawn crop will be produced each year, resulting in an increased sale of hunting licenses.

In other words, hunting produces a temporary -- and drastic -- decrease of deer for only a few months, resulting in the explosion in the deer population with the birth of fawns in the spring.

Additionally, due to hunting, the average age of male deer in the southern zone of New York is a mere 1 1?2 years, compared to the full life expectancy of almost 11 years. While non-human predators kill only the weakest, human hunters ruin the deer gene pool by killing the strongest and healthiest of the population, thus making the herd more prone to diseases and starvation.

When bows and arrows are used, almost half the deer hit are not killed. They "escape" to die of crippling wounds and painful infections over a number of weeks.

When hunting season opens and guns fire, deer panic and run, paying no attention to where they are going, and as a result, deer/car collisions soar. I have heard hunters argue that the deer are running because they are in rut. That may be partially true; however, a few years ago in Delmar, NY, during hunting season a deer crashed through the window of a house, severely injuring a woman inside. Around that same time, several deer jumped off a bridge in the Albany area. It seems that both of these situations resulted from panic -- not a desire to mate.

Hunting pressure has resulted in a constant desire for the eradication of natural predators. A few years ago, the hunters lobbied heavily for year-round killing of coyotes because the coyotes were "taking too many deer." Of course, this could not be proven and the six-month coyote hunting period remained. Now, the reintroduction of the wolf in the Adirondacks is a new threat to hunting interests.

It's too bad that these natural predators can't purchase a hunting license. After all, I believe that's really what it's all about for the DEC and businesses who cater to hunters.......the almighty dollar.

Susan C. McDonough
President

the link is http://www.nyshumane.org/PresMess/deerHunt.htm

if you wish to email her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kanga 10-04-2002 07:30 PM

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It really makes you wonder.
Some people should be hit on the head at birth.
I would like to know where she got her information from I can take a guess but would be banned from here if I said it.

hunter9022 10-04-2002 08:23 PM

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Is she serious? Some of the things antis say make you laugh.What gets me is the ones who say one thing and then turn around and do that. I have someone in my math class who is a "vegitarian" yet he eats meat, but he doesnt like it. HA! I kinda laughed and said,"So, you eat meat but you dont like yet you can critisize me over harvesting my own game and knowing exactly where it came from and taking pride in it instead of you goin to a store buying some unknown cow that another person had to kill cause your to much of a weeny to do it yourself?" He shut up. It was great. I wish someone would kick these people with an ounce of sense.

wear 10-04-2002 08:38 PM

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Stick her on a survivor show and see if she remains an anti-hunter.

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jimmya 10-05-2002 08:08 AM

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it is amazing what people will say for a little attention.


JUSTINL 10-05-2002 08:19 AM

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Gotta love the math.

Many of the older does in our area give birth to twins. Guess that kinda screws up her theory a little.

&quot;It's not the kill, it's the adventure and challenge! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>&quot;

Straightarrow 10-05-2002 11:24 AM

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They say a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, and right now I'd say she's real dangerous.


chef#1 10-05-2002 11:41 AM

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THIS PERSON DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE. THEY SHOULD HAVE SLAPPED HER MOTHER AT BIRTH.

HUNT ON HUNT HARD EAT WELL

BringItOn 10-05-2002 07:28 PM

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I just have to laugh at these uneducated liberal minds - they all try to act educated with their &quot;fuzzy math&quot; scare tactics. The sad thing is we have a large % of these uneducated liberal idiots reading this junk and believing it. Even though I laugh at how these people sound it still raises my blood pressure through the roof! Thanks for the article for we all need to keep up on these scare tactics and watch their every move before some stupid bill is passed. I say BRING IT ON SUSAN....TRY TO TAKE US ON!!!!!!! I gaurantee that you will LOSE! <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

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NYBOWHUNTER11 10-05-2002 08:59 PM

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hey guys i hunt right were she is talking about the south part
i was there today anyway all the deer i see dead are about 2`/2 -4 but i do see alot of 1 1/2 to but f her she don't know what she is talking about no way in hell hunting will ever leve ny ......





al bowmansville ny

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JimBow 10-05-2002 09:24 PM

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I wouldn't worry about this letter too much. Although alot of people think the antis are super powerfull and are on the verge of outlawing they aren't. Not in this country. The wild life is too healthy and the hunters comprise too big of a chunk of the people.

Try and find a anti hunting web site that gets 1/4 the traffic this one does, it's not going to happen.

In the state of Ohio they even made it illegal to protest or harass hunters.This is because a coupple years ago a bunch of antis ambushed some hunters in a parking area, one of the antis yanked a guys bow from him and proceeded to smash it on the pavement. I belive the anti won a free beating and a trip to jail. Ever since if the ranger sees a protester or some dumb @$$ banging pots and pans it's off to jail and a fine. Good luck this year Jim


dick_cress 10-06-2002 12:58 PM

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It's against the law to harass hunters in Washington State too but the governors wife is an ANTI and WDFW agents are intimidated and pressured to do nothing.

It's too bad this IDIOT isn't aware that habitat encroachment is the most serious threat to ALL wildlife.

Notice they weren'' quite stupiud enough to include an e-mail address for a response.

Bowhunter

gunsnbowses 10-06-2002 07:07 PM

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I wouldn't worry about this letter too much. Although alot of people think the antis are super powerfull and are on the verge of outlawing they aren't. Not in this country. The wild life is too healthy and the hunters comprise too big of a chunk of the people. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. The hunting community in relation to the overall population is about 7%- hardly a big chunk. The hunting tradition in Wisconsin is as strong here as anywhere in the country in my opinion, but I see anti-hunting sentiments all the time. Antis are invading our public conservation hearings every year in attempts to be voted onto the Conservation Congress. This board proposes rules and regulations changes regarding the outdoors to our Natural Resources Board. And 2-3(?) years ago an anti actually was voted onto this board after they used delaying tactics that prevented nominations and voting to occur after the midnight hour when most true sportsmen had gone home. By the time they realized what happened, it was too late.

The CWD epidemic has become an issue in the midwest. Some hunters have decided to give up hunting and license sales are down 30%. But that's a whole 'nother subject!

Urbanization and hard to find hunting land has caused some to give up our sports and leave our youth without someone to teach them a valuable tradition.

Every year more and more legislative bills are being introduced to stop different forms of hunting. Most don't pass, but some do. I realize you're referring to the U.S., but when was the last time you hunted for spring bear in Ontario? I used to go to Ontario, but not anymore! That move caught sportsmen off guard and showed no one, but no one is immune to the anti movement. In Wisconsin, bear hunters are constantly under attack- especially the houndsmen. We've had difficulty implementing a dove season as the antis have successfully stopped a season - at least for the time being.

I don't intend to sound as if everything is all gloom and doom. Actually, the recent anti movements have awakened sportsmen's groups and made them realize we are vulnerable if we choose to ignore the antis. The non-hunting community is the deciding factor and we as sportsmen need to respresent ourselves with class and educate others by disproving the antis' lies!

In the end, I believe our traditions will continue, but to think we're untouchable is ridiculous!!!

NCLeatherstocking 10-07-2002 11:30 AM

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The idea that the hunting public makes a strong majority is foolish. Until the hunter begins to use the system the way the anti-hunting groups have, we are in danger of extinction.

Nahum 1:7

HuntingBry 10-07-2002 01:21 PM

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I don't understand how some of you can call this woman uneducated and foolish as the article is well written and gets her point across very well. Like it or not some of what she says is true which is why states in my area are changing the regulations. For example NJ now has the &quot;earn a buck&quot; system along with antler restrictions throughout much of the state. PA has introduce antler restricitions and provided many more doe tags and made the doe season longer and coinciding with buck season. The hunting pressure driving deer to jumping through windows is a little much, but some of the other things she brings up hold water and are currently being addressed by game commissions.

Rack-attack 10-07-2002 01:28 PM

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I agree with Huntingbry,

Some of her points are very true, some are stupid.

monsterbuckland 10-08-2002 07:52 PM

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whats up w/ these morons anyhow! is this america or what?? teddy roosevelt would of stomped her down in 1890!!

monsterbuckland 10-09-2002 09:13 PM

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yeah

fletchdp 10-10-2002 06:32 AM

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When bows and arrows are used, almost half the deer hit are not killed. They &quot;escape&quot; to die of crippling wounds and painful infections over a number of weeks.
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Jesus..how can anyone call this comment educated and well informed, &quot;inflamatory&quot; is what I'd call it. Some of her points were valid but she sure took some liberties and stretched the truth to anger the uninformed.

GunsnBowses is 100% right. We had better not get lazy. The antis are working very hard to shut us down...

Good Luck All....Fletch

Boris the Bold 10-10-2002 07:04 AM

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All I can say is we better watch what we write on this board. I can't rememer who it was who said that if he spots a deer at 60 yards and has got a tag left he would have a go regardless but things like that are what will turn the neutrals against us. North Carolina has a law against harassment also.

X-Pat Brit Livin the good life in NC

HuntingBry 10-10-2002 07:56 AM

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Fletch, I agree that some of her statements were borderline ridiculous to you and I, but when a person comes off as well spoken and states several facts, as she has, that person can make statements with biases and her well written nature and previous facts lend credence to the biased comments to those that don't know the facts. If all we can offer is, &quot;what a granola eating idiot&quot; (which I feel isn't all that far from the truth) our argument seems trite and we are the ones looking uneducated. We need to arm ourselves with facts and statistics just as the antis have. To sway neutral people to believe hunting is not only a necessity but a good thing we have to break down the stigma of hunters being back woods hicks with no teeth and a 4th grade education.

Buckhuntn01 10-10-2002 08:48 AM

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I couldn't agree more with gunsnbowses - these groups are smart, determined, and in many cases well funded. It would not surprise me to see anti groups begin to lease land from farmers.

Everytime year that we hunt on private land that is owned by someone else we need to remind the owner of the benefits of allowing us to hunt there.

Belle Island 10-10-2002 12:11 PM

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Ya'll northern boys better be careful, all those tree huggin liberals up there are gonna get ya'll one day. Luckily for me, Mississippi is covered up in conservatives that love to hunt. Our congressmen and women hunt, our senators hunt, our judges hunt, and so on. I can assure you that hunting will NEVER be banned downed here. If you thought slavery caused a war, just try to take our guns!!

Hunt the thickets


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