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TURTLESHELL.. ..I DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR WHY YOU TAKE PLEASURE IN BADGERING ME...I DONT BADGER YOU..DO I? SOME OF YOU DONT KNOW WHEN TO STOP...YOUSIT ON YOUR THRONES BEHIND YOUR PC AND THINK YOUR SAFE TO LOK DOWN ON FOLKS..YOU THINK YOU ARE GODS GIFT...DEER ARE GODS GIFT AND YOU KNOW HOW THEY GET TREATED....I TRY TO PLAY FAIR..BUT DONT TAKE THAT FOR WEAKNESS.
THESE MODERATORS HAVE LET SOME OF YOU GO OVER THE TOP WITH ME.............TALKING ABOUT MY FAMILY ETC. TOTAL DISRESPECT...THEY HAVE SOMEHOW MADE SOME OF YOU FEEL SUPERIOR.........FEEL AGAIN!!! ......AND THRU IT ALL.....MY EARLIER THREADS........I RAISED GOOD QUESTIONS AND GAVE GOOD FEEDBACK..JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT APPROVE OR DONT COMPREHEND IS NO REASON TO BE NASTY/INSENSITIVE...TO ME..OR ANYBODY FOR THAT MATTER...
TO YOU MODERATORS.......IF YOU WERE ON THE BALL.....I WOULDNTBE HAVING TO TYPE THIS. IVE NEVER BEEN NASTY AND INHUMANE TO ANYONE HERE...COUPLE OF HEATED DISCUSSIONS usually due to MISUNDERSTANDING ..BUT IT WORKED OUT IN THE ENDCAUSE WE TOOK THE TIME TO THINK AND NOT JUDGE OR DISRESPECT.......IVE HAD MY FILL OF ALOT OF YOU>>YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE>>>OTHERS OF YOU I WELCOME YOUR INPUT AND HUMOR AND WISDOM... I HOPE SOME OF YOU WILL READ THIS AND SEE MY POINT...I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL JUST DO YOUR USUAL!
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ALL MY LATEST REPLIES ARE ABOUT KILLING AND DEATH HELL... THATS WHAT HUNTING IS ABOUT .....NOT REALLY SAYING ANYTHING IN MY REPLIES ...CAUSE I DONT NEED THE HASSLES AND ISTILL GET SOMEGUYTAKING CHEAPSHOTS ATME.......

For SOME OF YOU HUNTERS WHO HAVE THREADED ABOUT THE DISRESPECT AIMED AT ME......I RESPECT AND THANK YOU....BUT THE MODERATORS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE FIRST..NOW THEY WILL SHOW UP AND BAN ME.......BUT AINT THAT THE WAY IT GOES ....I COULD GIVE A RATS ASS..I AM STILL A MAN BLESSED WITH THE SECOND AMENDMENT ........HOW ABOUT YOU?
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What you are missing here is the definition of "challenge"

Of course more mature bucks in the woodsincreases ones probability of seeing them. That is a good thing, isn't it??? You can't say most hunters don't dream of killing a slammer buck. If one wants to see and have the oppertunity to harvest mature bucks it goes without saying, let the little bucks grow...

The "challenge" isn't finding and hunting a one in a million mature buck in any given area. This seems to be where you keep getting stuckin these conversations.

The "challenge"is outsmarting and out maneuvering a mature buck, who has been around a few years and who is in most cases wise of the hunters. "Challenge" one's selfto hunting mature bucks instead ofannihilating young naive yearlings whoare most likelylost, vulnerable andsearching outa new core area after yearling displacement without the protection and guidance of their mothers for the first time.

I have said it before and will say it again. IMO the yearling buck is the most naive and most susceptible to fall to a hunter of any age class or sex in the herd. Now once again I am not talking about sheer numbers in comparisonof yearlings to does and fawns,but the vulnerability of a yearling buck.

I believe one should shoot what makes them happy. I choose to hunt mature bucks, others don't. That's fine with me. I choose to air my thoughts and feelings when these conversations come up. If someone reads it and says, hey I am going to pass the yearlings this year and set my goals for a mature buck that's great. If one reads my post and says that is the dumbest thing I have ever read that's OK too. To each their own.

*Sorry duplicate post*

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Button Buck - Shoot it --- Venison in Freezer
Young doe - Shoot it --- Venison in Freezer
Doe -Shoot it --- Venison in Freezer
Spike - Shoot it --- Venison in Freezer
6 point -Shoot it --- Venison in Freezer
150 class whitetail - Shoot it --- Venison in Freezer

RE: Let 'em go and let 'em grow
 

Atlasman:

I'm in my late 20's so I havent been out of college to long. In fact, depending on which ranch, I still go on some of the deer captures to help out because I eitherknow the guys who own the ranch or who manage the ranches. I'll be honest with you, the numbers that I posted earlier still have not changed from when I was in school. The college is still catching as many deer and the numbers of 160"+ bucks are still in the same ballpark as when I was in college. WHY? Because those ranches havent changed their management program in years, they dont believe in fixing something that isint broke. While protein feed, food plots, and QDM is new across most of the country it is old news around here. That stuff started years and perhaps decades ago in this area. The smallest ranch that we went on was 11,000 acres the largest was 825,000. We also did research on two ranches that where both right at 100,000 acres and another ranch that was 32,000 high fenced acres. These places take deer management and hunting serious, they have full time biologist (most of the time more then one) they have strict management plans, feed protein, have hundreds of acres of food plots and spend countless dollars and time managing the herd. Yet these ranches still dont have a trophy buck standing behind every tree or under every bush like some people think. Even on the best whitetail habitat in the world, a true trophy buck is still a rare creature and still a challenge to hunt. Your chances of taking one are better when compared to other areas, but thats just results of good management. But then again your odds of winning the lottery are better then your odds of flying off the top of a building, but just because your odds are better dosent mean its much easier.

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Ok, i got a question. How many of you "trophy" hunters are hunting over a food plot or any kind of bait? just asking, maybe none of you do.

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That's pretty interesting..............cool thing to experience I imagine.




The whole point is simply that the more deer there are of the kind you are looking to kill.........it will be easier and you are more likely to kill one then if there were fewer around. That goes for does, buttons, spikes, forks, baskets, big bucks, and monsters. You said it yourself.........it is no problem for you to kill a "mature" buck.

This thread demonstrates that crystal clear...........there are guys here that just let bucks "grow" before they shot them and they went from not even seeing more then a couple "trophies" in over 35 years total to now killing more then a couple a year and seeing who knows how many others. No change in hunting skills.......I'm sure they were plenty capable before, except the only difference now is bigger bucks roam the woods.

Hardly any "trophy" bucks in nearly four decades

vs

Killing them every year and seeing them all the time.


Doesn't take too long to figure out which is more "challenging"

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I just poked at you again on another post, and that was all I was dion the first place was pokin' fun. Now I'll say it again, lighten up man. Jesus....

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I was going to stay far away from this one, but---some of the attitudes here are really arrogant. Not everyone shares your opinions or your vision of what you call trophy hunting. The whole concept of making an animal a 'trophy' is a little skewed I think. At least in the sense that some of you mean. There are probably just as many , if not more people that simply love to hunt--period. To attempt to shame those , as one said for killing a 4 point or whatever is the height of arrogance. QDM, at it's heart is not about farming the herd into an unnatural state where there are herds of 'trophy' bucks running around to be hand picked for the sole delight of the egotistical, chest thumping elitist 'hunters'. QDM is sound and essential management of the herd for IT'S benefit first. The allowing of younger animals to walk is good sense , overall , for the benefit, long term ,of the health and balance of the herd, but, that said, those that for a number of reasons are content with a yearling or whatever, the only thing that should be questioned or scrutinized is the manner in which it was taken, not whether it fits your definition of worthy of being harvested. For those that take management to an extreme--that's your prerogative, and if you have that goal, and that inclination, then go for it. But, statements, such as getting physically ill over seeing someone take what you, in your humble OPINION, feel is an inferior deer, is absolutely ridiculous.I love to hunt --period, and I want to and enjoy seeing mature bucks, and what most consider trophy class. I have seen many, and killed several nice deer, but I still get just as much satisfaction out of the hunt, and when I take ANY deer. Some people need to examine their motives for hunting in the first place. Why is it that you can only be content with that 'trophy'? Why is it that you look down on others of a differing approach? We ALL need to think about what is best for the future of hunting, and how it is perceived by the nonhunting general public, and I can tell you that, if it comes down to a vote, and the 'trophy at any cost' mentality is prevalent, the nonhunting public will turn against us , and hunting will be a thing of the past. That is a reality, accept it or not.

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A the link below isa news article, with pic, from Maine last year.

The deer being shown appears to be an 8 pointer.

Some trophy hunters here might scoff at an 8 pointer.

The deer the guy took weighed 277 lbs. after field dressing.

Let it grow, you say ???

Trophy bucks shouldn't be judged solely upon how many antler points they possess.



http://www.newenglandgameandfish.com/hunting/whitetail-deer-hunting/NG_0805_01/

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TURTLESHELL.......OKAY.....BUT WHY POKE WHEN YOU CAN DO BETTER?

I AINT MAD ATCHA...GOOD HUNTING AND SAFETY FIRST!!!


You have seen the nastiness Ive endured....Im only Human.....Hope you can be empathetic! PEACE BE WITH YOU!

Maybe you could pass this on....some folk dont need poking....or free diagnosis.............I hope we can vibe in a more productive manner.. now that we are clear and have come to this MUTUAL understanding

NOW LET THE KILLING BEGIN
TIS THE SEASON