Camo Shopping
 

I am new to the board and also to hunting. Took the hunters safety class and I can not wait to get out into the woods for some deer with my bow. I started looking for camo at the stores and I am finding out that it is not exactly free.

I was wondering what people thought was the most bang for the buck. I think I am going to try to get things that I can get away with for this season and try to hit the sales in Janurary for next years gear.

Are the better brands worth the money? Scent-lok, etc? I don't think I will be doing any sub zero hunting, mainly fall season.

Any help would be great. Let me know what you think.

This is a great board.

Thanks.

Aaron

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Scent Loc is great . . . but I don't have any. It is too expensive for me and it gets pretty hot in Eastern Washington during Deer and Elk seasons. I have two sets of Mossy Oak. One set of the original Break-Up pattern and needind a secons set of camos this year I bought a set of the new Mossy Oak Shadow Bark from Wal Mart.

I got the pants and shirt at Wal Mart for the price of the pants elsewhere. The only draw back is that the pants are zippered and the waist band has elastic bands that I dislike and the pockets just button closed [NO FLAPS]. However, their bigest drawback is that the side pockets are white. After our late archery elk hunt, I'll be dying the pockets black. It is a good way to get your first set of camos though.

I have the utmost faith and trust in the QUALITY camos that Cabela's sells and would never hesitate to buy from them.

Lastly, make sure that everyone that you recieve Christmas and Birthday gifts from knows that you need head to toe camo clothes and be sure to tell them the pattern that you want.

Hap[py Birthday and Merry Christmas.

Bowhunter

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I am using ASAT camo for the first time this year.
I am very impressed with it.
Chuck and Tim are 2 great guys who will stand by their product.
In fact Chuck gave me his personal guarrantee in both email and phone calls.
I was that impressed with their 3d suit I just ordered the coveralls to go under the 3d with the weather turns cold here.
If you want give Chuck an email I know he will bend over backwards to help you.
[email protected]

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You can look at ASAT and much more at www.lenartz.com

If you decide on the 3D suit, it will be the last camo you ever purchase.

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<font color=red>Rob</font id=red>

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Got my ASAT suit last week.

Very cool. Can't wait to get it in the field. Looks like nothing else out there.

Their research seems very valid to me. It's why I purchased my 3D suit. The 3D suit suit will go over anything. Very versatile.

Good Luck!


&quot;It's not the kill, it's the adventure and challenge! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>&quot;

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thanks for the information. I e-mailed ASAT and I'll see what he has to say. What do you find good about that camo? Do they make both a fall and winter line?

Thanks again.

Aaron

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The good thing about ASAT is one pattern for all seasons.
It virtually takes the colors from what is surrounding you.

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Hey Justin,
Where did you get your suit? I tried to e-mail those guys with the address below, but never got an answer. I tried the e-mail on the website and it got returned to sender.

If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for it?

Thanks.

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I like Predator camo the best. You can check them out at http://www.predatorcamo.com/index.html I recently purchased a set of Spring Green for the early seasons and turkey hunting. I'm going to get a new pair of bibs in Fall Brown from them real soon for the later season.

However, if you want to just get into something quick and easy, go to your local military supply shop and pick up some military camo. It works just fine and is pretty cheap. For $50 you could get a bunch of good clothing.

You can also just order whatever you need from Cabelas or Bass Pro shops. The actual patterns don't matter much. Just a personal preference really.

-Mike

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Sorry about not getting back to you guys right away, had a computer change and got behind but I'm back up and running now. Shoot me an e-mail and I'll get you the info you need. We still have some factory imperfect suits left in 2 XL and 3/4 XL sizes at $90 and $100. A new batch of first quality 3D will be ready to ship on Monday. Cotton and bucksuede should be ready in 2-3 weeks. Sorry about the delays in production and thanks for all the support.


Chuck Pensyl
Smart Hunters Wear
ASAT Camouflage
[email protected]

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Just talked to Tim over there and ordered the factory imperfect suit. It is 3D with the ASAT pattern. Got a sweet deal!!! I can not wait until it comes.

Thanks for the advise!!!

Aaron

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AO,

I was out hunting the opener last night and decided to &quot;stalk&quot; my way back to my car.

I was able to get a young doe to within 3 yards (perhaps less) while wearing the ASAT 3D. It was too cool. I did not take her (she's barely out of her spots), but I could have and that's the point. Kind of like &quot;counting coup&quot;. So far this year in the coup department it's the deer 1 - me 1. Not a bad first day. :)

I hunt in a suburbanized rural area. While stationary next to a hedge, I was able to see myself reflected in a sliding glass window and It looked like I was part of the hedge. I was nearly formless.

I think that it is the formlessness that makes this stuff so good. While I (as a human) could kind of see the difference in colors between the hedge, and me you could not discern a human form. Again it's hard to explain, but very cool.

BTW - I also purchased the MFG &quot;seconds&quot; suit. If this is &quot;seconds&quot;, I can't imagine how nice or good the real production run is.

Good Luck and enjoy.

&quot;It's not the kill, it's the adventure and challenge! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>&quot;

Edited by - justinl on 10/02/2002 10:50:57

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Hey Chuck...why don't you send one of those imperfect 2XL suits my way for testing purposes....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Make me a believer and I will buy the suit....:)

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Justin,
I was talking to Tim for a while when I ordered my suit. Seems like a pretty good guy. Did you use the &quot;Sport Wash&quot; that he sent. He advised me that I need to wash the suit 6 or so times in that stuff and the roughness in the leaves (cut by laser) will come out. He advised me that commercial detergents will leave a &quot;film&quot; on the suit that makes it more visible because it will become somewhat glossy.

Can't wait to get it and try it out. I also got some of the N-O-DOR from Atsco because he swore by it. I was thinking of a Scent-lok suit for underneath, but I'll try the $10 options first.

This is my first year and I CAN NOT WAIT!!!!

AO

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I went to Wally World and bought the sport wash. It was less expensive there than Cabela's or BassPro.

Yesterday I wore a Suppresscent suit under the cammo. WOW WAS IT HOT! I sweat my butt off. Not good when you are trying to remain scent free.

I only washed my 3D 3x. The leaves seemed to soften up and everything seemed perfect.

Good Luck!

&quot;It's not the kill, it's the adventure and challenge! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>&quot;

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I don't know about this stuff guys. I read the scientific explaination of how the stuff works and it sounded like some one from a infomercial was trying to sell me car wax. I never heard of this stuff untill I read this post.
It took me a while to find a real photo of it.(not one hidden in the woods) and I noticed it looked exactly like some of the old style camos. I can't remember the name of it right now but I've seen this stuff under a diffrent name. It uses the same theroy that preditdor camo uses. except Predatdor looks better IMHO.
I won't totality discount it as of yet I could be wrong, but I not convinced of it's super blending abilities yet either. Good hunting Jim



Edited by - JimBow on 10/02/2002 20:55:09

Edited by - JimBow on 10/02/2002 20:57:28

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I agree, what kind of company only posts obscure photos of their product from a distance? I would never buy something from somebody afraid to give me a close-up view of their product. I'll stick with the companies I know and trust.

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Hey guys can the newbie to the board weigh in on this and ask another question? Does anyone here use a ghillie suit? I made one last year and had several redneck fairy tale adventures (you know they start with &quot;no ####, this really happened&quot;.) Even had an occasion in which a flock of turkeys came in on my feeder while I lay there in the suit. Got on the scoreboard with it and they still wouldn't leave. Finally jumped up and shouted boo! They ran out about 20 yards but still milled around and started to come back. I just walked off and left them to the feed. They literally stepped over the gun barrel. Now with a bow its different. Does anyone here use a ghillie? Ever considered it? This one cost all of about $30 to make. Just a little time while watching the outdoor channel. They work, I swear. Have taken two deer from the ground without a blind using them. One at 10 yards.

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Well guys when I first heard about and seen ASAT the first time I was a little weary too.

On Saturday my 3d suit was put to the test I climbed out of the tree to go see my hunting buddy.
I walked within 10 feet of him he did not have a clue I was there till I spoke and scared the bejesus out of him.
When I did speak he was facing me so it is not like I snuck up behind him either.

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Jimbow, Cabelas, I've been using ASAT for about 15 years or better. You have doubts but you wouldn't if you saw ASAT stand along side other camo's, especially Mossy Oak and Realtree. You'll decide those camos are only good at a couple feet vs yards. If I had a digital camera I'd show you what I mean. I washed all my camos today and currently I have on my cloths line several manuf of camo. I have Mossy Oak, Realtree extra Grey, Predator and ASAT. You need only walk about 20 yards until you notice that Realtree and Mossy Oak blend into a dark blob. IF your not wearing ASAT or Predator, your not wearing camo. NOW, the ASAT 3D suit allows you to disappear even more. I guarantee that if you were to see ASAT 3D up against any camo out there, you'd be sold in a heart beat. PERIOD.

OUR fighting troops over seas are not wearing Realtree or Mossy Oak, they are hiding for their lives against human eyes and what do you think they wear....that's right ASAT. How can you argue with that?

The reason they demo their camo at a distance is that is where the deer are going to be and you get a look from a deers perspective. How often are you going to be close up to a deer to look at the camo which by the way will still hide you. You have to be close to other camo to even recognize it as such. As you distance yourself at a deers range from Mossy Oak or Realtree, it blends and makes you stick out as a big blob, not breaking up your silhouette as ASAT still does at all distances.

IT's simple, take the test, you'll be surprised.

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<font color=red>Rob</font id=red>

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Hate to say that my success this evening was due to ASAT, but it really helped.

My 3D suit really breaks up my outline.



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My biggest thing was that it was only $80 and I can wear anything I want underneath it. I talked to them on the phone for a while and they assured me that if I did not like it for any reason, to send it back. I was looking at the big chain camo's and for my first year, I am on quite a budget. I could not get a cheap jacket for what I paid for this entire suit.

Just my thoughts. I'll let you know how it is when it comes in the mail.

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A couple of my buddies wear ASAT camo and several wear Predator and i admit that they are both good patterns. I personally use NATGEAR which i wouldn't trade for either one. Natgear has been working for me for a long time and it doesn't have the blob effect from a distance either. It blends well with any terrian. I think camo is like anything else it's personel preference. Doesn't matter what you wear if you move your gonna get busted.

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I used to be a big proponent of predator camo. I still think it works if your in the right enviroment. I aggree with the blob effect of realtree, heck you may as well wear gray coveralls. Mossy oak isn't quite as bad but is still on the dark side.
Now that I think of it I had a buddy who wore the stuff, he said it works best at 20 or more yards. I may try some out this year the only problem I have is I spent $300 on a 4 in one mossy oak parka so unless it will fit over it my camo will stay Mossy oak at least in the cold.
I looking closely at NATGEAR mykey mentioned. It looks like some good stuff.
The buddy of mine who wore ASAT claimed to have guys stand next to him and never know he was there so maybe the stuff does work.

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My name is Jerry Kiger I am the ASAT Hunting Advisory Board, I have used ASAt for many years, believe me it works. I have kill animals from Grondhog to ELk. If you have any questions about ASAT you can e mail me at [email protected]. I have some 3d suits in stock. Everything will be coming out in 3-4 weeks. Good Hunting, but you can make it better with ASAT.

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study the deer, pops always got a deer with the old red black checkered wool stinky coat,, its way overrated!!

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MOSSY OAK BRAKE UP IS THE BEST CAMO I HAVE EVERY USED ..
CHECK IT OUT IT IS GREAT ....





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Well, I just got my suit in the mail last week. I washed it half a dozen times and all of the &quot;factory imperfections&quot; are gone. As far as I can tell, I could have not spent a better $80. It will go over anything I want to wear, or tuck in for the warmer weather. Breathes very nicely and very well constructed.

Next test will be in the woods in about ten days!!!!!

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I guess I have kind of an opposite view on photos of camo than Cabelas4Toys has. I'm always skeptical when I see only close-up photos of camo clothes patterns. I wanna see what the pattern is gonna look like from 10,20 and even 30 yards or more, too. Most camo patterns out there are designed by artists who try to match a photo of leaves or trees. And, that's pretty and an eye catcher when we see it on the clothes rack - but I'm skeptical about the effectiveness of most of those patterns - cause when you back off 10 or 20 yards and look at them - the patterns just turn into dark human shaped blobs. When that happens, what do we suppose critters see from those distances. You can tell from my handle that I'm an ASAT lover. I've used it for years. I've tried lots of other camos and havn't found anything that outperforms concealment better. Years ago, I sat in on a seminar at a sports show where the inventor of ASAT told the story behind it's development and the scientific rearch they did with whitetail hunting to finally end up with the ASAT pattern. I don't remember the whole story, but some of the things he said made sense and have stuck with me for years: If green were such a good color for camo, then why are bear,deer,turkeys,elk,etc. green?, The ASAT pattern was developed to decieve the vision of animals and humans by destroying the image of a human body., The colors used by ASAT are the same colors found on most game animals - and they seem to be able to hide pretty well. Hey, there are a lot of camo patterns out there for us to choose from. Some are pretty and some aren't. Some are more effective than others under varied conditions. Some are a waste of money because of poor quality. It's great to have such a wide selection to be able to choose from. As for me - after having spent mucho on camo stuff over 35 years+ of huntin whitetails, I've never found anything that outperforms the concealment abilities of the ASAT pattern under so many different seasons and backgrounds. I also use it for doves, ducks and geese - good stuff! Welcome to the brotherhood of ASAT wearers, if you have experiences similar to mine while wearing it - you'll never switch unless something even more effective is developed.

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ASAT Guy,

The url I posted had the story on it from their website.

&quot;Size may not matter but it sho IS nice!&quot; [/quote]

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AO, I would suggest just getting a loose fitting non-insultaed coveral. That way you can add layers as needed for warmth. The camo pattern is really just a personal choice, and I would be hard pressed to say one is better than another.

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That has to be one of the stupidest things I have heard on this board. If that logic held true than why would wot wear a solid brown suit like a deer. &quot;Hell, just wear your brown Carharts they'll never see you.&quot; Or solid black like a black bear? Two tone tan like an elk? Deep brown like a turkey? What could possibly be running through your mind that you are going to try to convince people green is a BAD COLOR for camoflage? Somebody call the Army because we gotta get all those uniforms changed ASAP!! Paint them damn vehicles too, green ain't no damn good for comoflage!

I agree with several of your points and the points of others on this thread. Camo is more of a gimmick or a fashion statement than a cure all. Any company out there can show you a picture of somebody in their camo hidden in the trees and make it look like their camo will make you invisible. I've seen realtree and mossy oak both come out with ads that make you look twice and think damn that hunter is hard to pick out. The reason I want a close up picture is that I want to see how it is constructed, how it might fit, what does it look like. I can get a pretty good idea of whether it will hide well or not by seeing it up close. You don't need to put your boat in the water for me to know if your duckblind will work well and you don't need to climb a tree in it for me to know if your camo will stand out or not.

With any camo I just want something that will break up my shape and make the deer unsure of what they might be seeing. After seeing the close-up picture of ASAT I have no doubts that it would be just as effective as a 3D suit in any of the camo patterns on the market. My only concerns would be about the quality of the construction, which may be excellent for all I know. Unfortunately I do not know of their product being available in any stores to check it out before buying so I'd have to buy on faith and hope that it meets my expectations. Again, I am not saying that it wouldn't meet or even exceed them, just that I do find them interesting and would like to see it firsthand but am a little apprehensive about ordering it. If the people on this site seem to agree that the product quality is good and the customer service is good then I may end up trying it.

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ASATGuy, that last post was not meant as an attack on you but rather to point out that the manufacturers of ASAT are just as full of sh*t as any other camo manufacturer out there and willing to make obviously ridiculous claims in order to sell their product.