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Guys - it's a real shame when a lot of really great topics in here degrade into personal attacks and insults and have to be moved and/or locked. We're all hunters and we're all on the same team. I can't for the life of me figure out why we spend so much time fighting amongst ourselves for such stupid reasons when there are organizations out there who are working day and night to elminate our sport. They don't care what type of clothing we wear, what type of weapon we hunt with, or whether or not we hunt over a bait pile or inside of a 10,000 acre high fenced ranch in Texas. In their eyes we are all hunters and we are all wrong, not matter what the specifics of our hunting methods are.

We really need to stop with the elitist, self-righteous attitudes amongst ourselves and start working together if we want to try and preserve hunting - in any form - for future generations.

/steps down from soapbox now.

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Well said Justin.

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Well said Justin, HERE HERE! The majority of the name callers and those who like to highjack threads and turn them into something personal are usually just miserable in their daily lives to begin with. They don't have the means to travel too some of the prime "exotic" big game regions of the world, nor do they have the money (or they simply listen too their wives tell them NO) for first class equipment so they have to make their own miserable little lives seem valid by running down those who, by the grace of God, DO have such ways and means. My kids have friends that are just such the types. When "lil Johnny" comes over and sees one of my kids new XYZ toy that is better than his (or really he wants one but doesn't have one because he doesn't deserve it to begin with!) he starts the name calling, putting down and flatout acts like a lil brat. Unfortunetely many adults never mature above such pre-pubescent levels.

Simple childish jealousy and I agree, we would ALL be much better off without it and standing united against the anti's,
RA

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Well said Justin and I have to agree with you on this matter ,I also agree with Red Allison as well.Inmaturaty is the sum of all eveil's and some just can't help themselve's .I've seen this in the past ,but I must say it's been cleaned up some as well.But we all need to remember we're supposed to all be friend's ,but you'll alway's find one in the crowd.

nubo

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I find hunters in general to be narrow minded when it comes to hunting norms and mores. In other words if the method being discussed isn't the method that they were brought up with, an arguement usually follows. As you travel to different parts of the country you will find different methods used to hunt in that area, which can even be against the law where you are from.
Hunters need to expand their though process before they condem one method over another. We are or own worast enemey that is for certain, and we will more than likely screw around and lose our hunting rights altogetherbefore too long. makes me sad, very sad. [:o][X(][:o]

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Red, while I partially agree with what you're saying I think that this isn't always the case. There are many different scenarios that would cause a person to feel a particular way about hunting. Whether it was the way they were taught about the sport, their experiences both afield and with other hunters in the past, interaction with their friends/family, etc etc.

I believe a lot of the time the elitist attitude comes from those people who have and can afford the best gear, the best pieces of property, and can go on those world class hunts. Now I'm certainly not stereotyping any particular individual or groups of individuals because the bickering comes from all types of hunters.

No matter where you hunt, what you hunt with, how many deer you shoot, how much you believe in QDMA, or how long you've been hunting people need to learn to be more open minded when it comes to the methods other hunters use to persue game and realize that we're all in the woods for the same reason.

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You seem to be contradicting yourself there Red. You missed the point of what Justin said by proceeding to judge all those that disagree as having a jealousy problem, and that sounds a lot like self righteous name calling to me! I am not some pauper with no options, yet I choose not to endorse certain methods or to practice them, and it has absolutely nothing to do with oppurtunity or affordability. I applaud those with greater means than myself or greater oppurtunity. My issue has been and always will be fair chase. A consensus needs to be reached on this and it will be up to us as hunters to determine and to maintain a level of integrity and to keep other negative elements such as greed and pride out of the equation.The concern over the future of hunting lies with the perception of the nonhunter, who is in the vast majority over the hunter and anti alike.There are those of us who care about this perception and I attempt to speak out on this , keeping in mind that the fellow next to me may not a gree, but at some point, all of us have to be on the same page, without starting a feud. That is the kind of maturity that needs to be reached, and therecognition that disagreements exist will not go away on their own. They need to be handled without resorting to childish name calling and threats.

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Well said Justin!! There are alot of thing s that people do when it comes to hunting that I don't agree with but if it is legal likeit of not why shouldI attackand judge them. I just try to find common ground with that hunter and enjoy talking with them, although I may never hunt with them, we are on the same team!

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Here in PA we have a program called SPORT, this stands for Sportsmen Policing Our Ranks Togather. This program points out ways hunters can make a differance in how people veiw ourselves.If we are hunting and find where a "slob hunter" that is what the P.G.C. calls them is baiting we are to make a call and report the site.If we see someone shoot from a car we are to record the licence # make,model & what the occupants look like & report them.Some of you take offense to people that don't believe the killing of a deer by any means allowed is wrong .All of us are differant in one way or another ,some peoples business practices would embarrass even the Ken Lay others say take the money and run.If you can show your deer to a stranger and be honest & proud of the way you killed it great for you.I will do the same in the honorable way I was taught to hunt.

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I agree with each and everyone of you with whats being sead.These type people?There called Arrogant, Selfish, Disrespectful, JURKS!!![:'(]

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You got my vote Justin! Some people really get into some heated debates over nothing at all.

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Great post Justin! Very clear and to the point.

There is nothing wrong with open dialog, exchange of ideas and preferences but I agree that personal attacks and attacks on a specific method of hunting do nothing for our sport. Without a united base we will see hunting disappear in the next few decades if not sooner.

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I was thinking about starting a thread on this very topic the other day. Imagine this scenario:

You and forum user X go back and forth with the name calling and putting each other down, etc.. Basically you start to hate this person even though you have never met them. Then one day you are out hunting and you tag a nice animal. While cleaning it, another hunter comes by and congratulates you and helps you drag it out. He's a really nice guy and you two start to talking and guess what, it turns out to be user X who you hate. Now what do you do?

A lot of people bash other people because they will never see them face to face and I think it is childish. We don't really know who the other user is in most instances. The arguing could ruin a potential friendship. I have met a few people from here that are very nice. I have hunted with one of them also. I am grateful that I was able to meet them.

People live in different ares and have different opinions based upon that. What works for me in the woods here won't work in the praires of the midwest. If I prefer to use a certain method or equipment, why is it wrong if you don't agree. That is what makes America great. We have the option of being different. Who here would have prefered to live in communist Russia and be told what to do and when? We, as a people(Americans) are spoiled. We have always had these rights and we take them for granted. Appreciate the fact that you can choose how you want to hunt and respect another's hunters' choice.

(On a side note, be grateful that you have the ability to go hunting. Be grateful that you can get up out of bed, shower, get dressed and go to work. There are many people with disabilities that can't do these simple things. OK, now I digress)

Bottom line is exactly what Justin said. We need to pull together and stop all the bickering. Use this forum to spread personal knowledge and friendship and strengthen the hunting community as a whole.

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Fark much? ;)

I agree, though.

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Very well said Justin! I really enjoy this site, but it saddens me to see such open hostility towards fellow hunters. Life is too short to be that bitter, and we should thank God we still have the ability to hunt rather than focusing on attacking a fellow hunter because we don't agree with his/her methods.

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I, for one, would like to apologize for the recent threads over activated carbon. Although I felt at the time like I was acting OK, I now can see how maybe I was also being a bit childish at the same time. My apologies.
I agree 100%. I, like alot of people that visit this awesome site, am just a very passionate person about whatever it is I am involved with. Whether it be relationships, my job, or hunting, I feel very strongly about it and am passionate about the same. I think an aweful lot of us here are much the same, but in my case, I need to think a little before I open my mouth...(or fingers,in this case ...;)) and be a little more professional and mature.
Again, my apologies, I hope I have not ticked anyone off, and people don't pass by my posts now because of it.

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For too long, too many hunters are too concerned with the antis. Antis will not be the death of hunting, hunters will. I think it is not only prudent, but morally responsible for hunters to start calling out questionable and unethical hunting, legal or other wise. To say that we are all hunters and should stick togather is nonsense. Many of the practices by "hunters" I will not stand by or stick up for. I think some real positive things have transpired over the last few years. More and more threads are tackling issues like: canned hunts, commercialization, horn porn, and TV shows. In many ways we are privy to seeing trends right here on this board. The fact that more and more hunters are becomming hostile to certain aspects of the modern hunting culture is an early indicator of what's to come. Hopefully, members of this board will continue to voice their opinion in an articulate and respectful manner, and not succomb to the "lets all be one" mentality.

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Nice post Justin. I was going to say that I had no idea how I missed this but then I noticed you only posted it today. ;) Must be a hot topic with so many people commenting.

In the grander scheme of things I agree with you. As a group we need to directly combat those efforts against us by the Antis...but many hunting methods are tough to swallow for most folks. In the end I hope it is not the end for us all.

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I kinda agree with muley on this one. I won't sit back or turn my head when I disapprove of something I feel is wrong. I wasn't taught this by my father nor will I teach it to my son!
But, let's try to be respectful to the persons about it as much as possible.

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Nobody is saying that you should turn your heads to things that are morally or legally wrong in the hunting world. Poachers and slob hunters give the rest of us who are truely passionate and care about this sport a bad name and of course we need to differentiate them from real hunters. I'm talking about people fighting about using crossbows or wearing activated carbon clothing or hunting on a 10,000 acre high fence ranch in Texas. Things that are legal, ethical, and nothing more than a personal preference regarding the way you choose to hunt.

The weapon or methods you use to harvest any game animal does not make you better or worse than any other hunter who persues animals legally and ethically. The person who takes a trophy with a 7mm is just as much of a sportsman as the person who takes their first forkhorn buck with a recurve bow as long as the reason they take to the woods each fall is the same. When are we going to stop worrying so much about finding faults in other people's methodoligy and simply be happy for a hunter who is successful?

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I agree , very good thread, I also would like to apologize for my past threads if they offended anybody, it was not my intentions, well some of them maybe, I will no longer continue to do this I will find other ways to do it such as deer hunting or shooting my bow. I feel that at times we, including myself, get emotional attached to the topic or what someone says about it and act unprofessionally. We are all in this together and even thou we may not agree on everything, I do think we care enough to stop it. You folks have helped me so much over the short period I've been here is awesome. I don't want to ruin it. Let's respect others idea's and perspective tastefully, WE ARE ALL WE HAVE IN THIS FIGHT AGAINST THE ANTI'S. Let's not give them anymore fire power to hurt us. GOD BLESS .lou-lou

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Well said:)
Its about time someone actually noticed this.Lets all get along,we are all hunters no matter what method we use.

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Class act!

I am much like you, I get fired up easy and sometimes my fingersget ahead ofmy brain.

I for one won't passby your posts even if we do get into it on occasions. Debates are healthy and I'd rather you speak your mind than not. I know sometimes they get out of hand but I just chalk it up to the "heat of the moment" and I seldom take anything on line personal.

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I agree with muley69. This lame notion that if we huntersaren't unithinking mindclones of one anotherthat the anti's will win is pure nonsense. Take me down this slippery slope if you will. What am I going to do get so upset at some guy over a particular topic that I what.....join Greenpeace or Peta? Stop hunting? Vote to ban hunting? How exactly does this oft repeated but never explained process work? You guys chant this stuff so often that you got people on here scared to disagree about what brand of arrow to use for fear that a Goldtip vs Carbon Express rift will form in the hunting community and then.....wait for it......THE ANTIS WILL WIN?

News flash. The antis don't outnumber us.Far from it in fact.If they did hunting would be gone now. There is however a large nonhunting public out there that outnumber both us and the antis combined. They aren't in Greenpeace or Peta. They don't hate hunting. They just don't hunt and are for the most part fairly neutral on the subject. These people do however vote on issues that affect your ability to hunt and elect people that make decisions about your ability to hunt. The only hope that the antis have is to sway the opinion of this large group against us. The best defence we have against them doingjust thatis to police our own.

I see things in the outdoor world that even though legal I will not support. Things like canned hunts. Ear tagged trophy bucks being auctioned off on E-bayfor the highest bidderto come shoot it. High fence ranches were the land enclosed is so small and the game packed into it so great that it becomes kind of like shooting fish in a barrel. I know a website that has a forum entitled "Long Range Hunting". These guys sit on hill or mountain sides shooting across canyons at deer often over 1000 yards away. Sometimes they shoot 7 or 8 times before they hit the animal.Well if the distance is so great that you can easily miss 7 times then it's safe to say that this isalso apractice that could easily lead to amaimedanimal with a leg or nose blown off. I think the aforementioned activities and others like them offend that very general public that we need to be aware of and I for one want them to know that these folks don't represent me.

In this "Can't criticise it if it's legal" world that so many of you espouse let me ask the following. What about a guy who admits hehas beenattempting100 yards shots at deer with a bow? It's legal. There's no law that covers that. Should I offer my support to him as a fellow hunter? What about a guy with a 50 lb 26 inch draw untuned bow that announces his intention to use a 2 inch diameter expandable head for the coming season. Again, it's legal. He's not breaking a law. Should I tell him "Go for it Man" "3 inches ofpenetration is great for whitetail hunting, my brother hunter with whom I cannot disagree." What about a kid from a state where it's legal that speaks openly about his plans to use a 22 rifle to hunt deer? Should I say, "Awsome dude, I not only fully support you my hunting brother but for and added challenge waituntil he's facing away from you and go for a Texas heart shot"?

Or maybe, just maybe I should.....GASP! Dare to disagree and tell them that what they are doing is a bad idea. And the animals they are gonna end up wounding and losing are fuel for the anti's to burn us with.

Also if someone here had first hand knowledge or some level of expertise that allowed them to know that some product I was planning to purchase was in fact a worthless scam and a waste of my money,gee, I think I'd want to know that. Isn't the very purpose of such forums to share information and learn from other peoples experiences. That's how I feel about it. But then I guess I'm just weird that way.

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great post!! we should all stick together even if we disagree..there are mature ways that differences can be addressed.

group huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug!!:D

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Hey Todd, Excellent post!!!!!!!!!!!:)

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I agree about the personal attacks but I gave up on the big tent theory along time ago.

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All these posts make sense. Some of the more lively debate is just that...a debate. There are people who argue for the sake of arguing and that is all there is to it. I doubt that many people take it personally and most read the heated responses just for the entertainment value. When the day is done most of us are just plain sportsmen and sportswomen. Different techniques and game but we are all learning from each other.

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your exactly right, this is the purpose of the forum but is not to attack other members. there is a big difference in saying IMHO it is not right to shoot a deer with a .22 and saying for example......Your aplain ole Dumb@$$ you ignorant retard. This is not helpful, just hatefull. we all hafta remember that body language which is how the brain interprets mood cannot be shown in our text(obvious huh but many people forget this) if your going to jokingly tease someone please let them know you are doing so within your post.

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Great post Justin...i agree many of the threads get too out hand with agruments wich just adds more fuel for the fire for the anti's.

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I tell you what the real shame. In my opinion its ignoring problems that arise in the Hunting world in the name of us all being banded together. Its the fear of discussing issues that directly affect hunting because we don't want to hurt other peoples feelings. Its the fear of bringing to light issues that are killing Hunting as we know it because we don't want to rock the boat.

Rocking the boat is good. Asking questions are good. Discussions are good.

Being unable to stabilize the boat, answer the questions or respond to the discussions is what kills us as a Hunting community. We have lost much in the past 20 years as a Hunting community. Bear hunting, cougar hunting, trapping, dove hunting ........... why ? Becuase in large part we as a Hunting society didn't address the glaring issues at hand - and because we did nothing, the other side did. Being inactive in whats going on in the world of hunting is one of the worst things we can do. Its so easy to sit back and say "well, it doesn't affect me " but I'm telling you it DOES affect you, and your children. Rarely does anything happen in this world that doesn't come back to affect you and yours in some way.

Canned Hunting is a huge issue right now. You might not think it is - but it is. PETA and animal rights groups love them because they can sway public opinions by using them as poster child's to represent Hunting. Of course, canned hunting places do NOT represent Hunting ......... but 90% of the population doesn't know that. Sitting back and doing nothing will lead to exaclty the same places that doing nothing to help preserve cougar hunting led, or spring bear hunting, or dove hunting or trapping.

So while I believe in being a close knit Hunting society, I also think there should be some things that are not acceptable. The POD shouldn't be allowed. Night Hunting shouldn't be allowed. Canned Hutning should not be allowed. Deer farms and the transportations of cervids that can spread CWD and other diseases should not be allowed to go unchecked and unregulated.

These things and many more the Hunting Community needs to address, even if it means monitoring our own and policing our own and calling things that are NOT in Hunting's best intrest out for what they are.

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I don't know Justin. I thought you made your purpose for this thread clear in post #20. Obviously some people don't get it. It appears that even this thread is not imune to the very reason of starting it. It saddens me to read some of the posts so I will be clicking the "Remove Subscription" button above. Good luck.

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Allow me to break this down for you, Atlasman-style.

The Goldtip vs CE arguement is extremely off base and a terrible example to use. I'm not talking about, and have never talked about, simply discussing or debating different selections in hunting gear. People have carried on with the Ford vs. Chevy debate for years and we haven't seen the destruction of the automobile industry, so saying that people talking about different arrow shafts or broadheads or brands of bows is going to cause the demise of our sport is ludicrous. I provided specific examples of what I was talking about in all of my posts. Apparently you missed those.

Okay let's assume you're right and the number of anti-hunters don't outnumber us. Take a poll of all the non hunters of the world and see how familiar they are with Peta or the Humane Society versus how familiar they are with organizations like the NSSF. I think you'd be pretty suprised how familiar they are with the anit-hunting agenda while they are either mis-informed or completely uninformed about the benefits of hunting. That's if your claim is actually valid. I'd like to see some numbers put forward before I believe it.

This point was never argued anywhere in this thread. In fact, I explicitely said that slob hunters should be called just that and the public should be aware that people who practice these types of methods should not be included with the rest of the ethical hunters.

I think the train has derailed.

In many of these situations it is our responsibility as informed hunters to help people out when they are put into situations like this. Instead of harping down on someone for making a bad decision, why don't we find out WHY they're making those decisions and see what we can do to help them make the right ones in the future? We were all beginners at some point and we all made mistakes. Without people to help us realize and correct those mistakes, how are we supposed to become better hunters? Turning your back on someone or degrading them for making poor choices is certainly not the proper way to go about helping the hunting community as a whole.

You're right, that is the purpose of any discussion forum. However, when a topic goes from "I don't believe this product works because...." to "You're a complete idiot!" I think we've gotten a little bit off track.

Which brings me back to my original point - discuss and debate all you want, that's great. But when we start this ridiculous namecalling and personal attacks on each other because of our individual beliefs, where is that getting us? The biggest advatage the anti-hunters have over us is that they are united in one single goal - to stop hunting. Hunters are split into all of these different state and local groups, which most of the time are at odds with one another over proper practices to preserve hunting. With funding being diverted into many different specialized interest groups instead of a single centralized organization that works to fight for hunting in all of it's forms we're really doing nothing but shooting ourselves in the foot. While we struggle to raise enough money to lobby local politicians, Peta is out raising BILLIONS of dollars to spend on advertising and recruiting more and more people to fight their cause.

While you may not believe they pose a real threat to hunting, take a look at the numbers. The number of hunters is decreasing year after year while the average age of hunters is increasing. With increased pressure put on people to only shoot big bucks and have absurd amounts of land to hunt on the numbers of deer are increasing every year. When is the point going to come when the public stops viewing hunting as a viable means of animal population control? Right now, we are the the very edge of watching our sport go into a downward spiral from which it may not recover. Preventing that from happening starts right here with hunters realizing how our own individual actions either benefit or harm our cause. Every action we take effects our sport, whether how small or large it is.

Okay - I'm done now. Agree or disagree, at this point if your opinions are already formed there isn't much anyone is going to say or do to concvince you to think otherwise. That's my 2 cents.

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This is a great post and i agree with it 100%. The reason that i hunt is cause i love being in the outdoors, trying to outwit a wild beautiful animal. I dont hunt to just put a set of antlers on the wall or meat in the fridge, if i wanted to do that i could buy a set of antlers or go the thebutcher and buy some meat. Granted they are two great reasons to hunt, but not my driving reason.Its my love for hunting that brings me to this website. I want to be the best hunter that i can be. That being said, i want to learn about every technique there is. Even if it doesnt work where i hunt, it can let me think about a different way to dosomethingthat i havent thought about before. One thing that i do know forcertain is that once you thinkyou know all there is to know about something, you will never get any better. There are multiple ways to skin a cat, and this forum lets us hear about it.I also love to hear about others experiencesout in the wilderness and get excited when i read about it. These personal attacks against each other need to stop. We are all using this forum for our personal enjoyment and i know that these rediculous arguements takes away from that. Yes we can disagree on topics, but lets not forget thatthere are other ways to do things that we may think are the norm and what works in one area might not work somewhere else. In the end we are all hunters who love the outdoors andall that comes with that. Live and let live.

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Let me ask this - do ya'll think that the Hunting Community should all band together and stand up for very important issues that have a direct impact on Hunting itsself ?

If the answer is yes ......... how do you expect to do that without discussions, ideas, thinking outside the box, questioning the way things are done etc etc ?

BTW - just noticed my poll was gone. FYI for eveyone, 80% of those responding said they didn't approve of Canned Hunting.

Should the Hunting community stand against canned hunting then ? Is Hunting.net a part of that big tent idea and is Hunting.net a part of the huting community ?

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The debate can get a little "spirited" around here, but in the end, I think USUALLY the participants are able to take a step back, after the initial heated back and forth and agree to disagree. On the other hand, as "the cat" above said, places like this are great for hunters to meet and to debate (argue perhaps). Where else can this many hunters get together and express themselves and although I know that some (me included) have to be "reined in" now and then, I think if possible, we should let MOST of the debates resolve themselves or run out of momentum (which they will). I think though that we can keep it on a less personally insulting level at times. There are things within the "hunting community" that we should stand against, mainly concerning what is fair for the animals that, although we hunt and kill on occasion, we dearly love and to protect this way of life from those who would try to corrupt it for greed or for their own notion of "the natural world". just an opinion.

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Justin said
Okay - I'm done now. Agree or disagree, at this point if your opinions are already formed there isn't much anyone is going to say or do to concvince you to think otherwise. That's my 2 cents.

The thing with your 2cents is you use your moderator power to delete anyone that does not agree with you.It is always the most active threads that are deleted,Datas thread was a test to see howwe feel about canned hunts,once again your side was a decieve looser so your responce was to delete the thread.If this is done completly for the buisness aspectsofH.I.N. then say so ,Don't give us some line about how we all need to get along.My self and some Texans were having some fun busting each others family trees(and its not my fault that their trees have no limbs)Both sides defended their own beliefs accordingly.Then in you come and delete the thread.If people on this forum do not want to or are not capable of expressing their true feelings let them read a book.To those of us that do enjoy a great debate give us a thread and don't look back.

I will get a blast or banned for questioning your powers but private messaging does not work I sent you three yesterday & one email today.Whats UP!!!!!!!!

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Power is a wonderfultool if used wisely. I see a reoccurring pattern of abuse when things don't goas planned or there are ideas that differ from the norm. Lighten up HNIJ and let some threads run their course. The purpose of this site shouldn't be a power trip whether you are an admin or a contributor.

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I told Justin that I was not going to respond to this thread but here it goes...

What really suprises me is one fact, 95 percent of the people that responded to this thread have not been involved in many of the heated and ugly topics when the finger was pointed South....

BawanaJim and TuffTexan poked fun at each other , yeap even alot of emails between the two of them, but it was all just giving each other a hard time...(Even though they share the same family tree, LOL)


Lets just touch a few probelm topics

High fences
Baiting deer (corn)


It seems that every time one of these topics is brought up Texas hunters are drug into it wether we like it or not, we can even debate about it in all fairness right up until someone from the east pops off there mouth and drags ETHICS or MORALS into the picture, matter of fact this last ugly topic was ALL ABOUT INDIANA and WHAT HAPPEND IN INDIANA till Texas got drug into it, (WHAT THE HELL DID WE HAVE TO DO WITH IT) then it got way off topic in a hurry, Im not innocent in this either I made plenty of replies...

Fact is yeap, we are all hunters...Fact...
We will never all agree ...Fact...
What is SAD is some of you think you are above other hunters because of your personal beliefs, and then you bring up the two worst words to say, ETHICS AND MORALS...

I hunt legally in my state and many other states that I have hunted in, I do whats legal in each state I hunt in and play by each states set rules of conduct, do I bash you for what you do in your state that is legal NOPE, I simply come and harvest your big deer and then make the long trip home after a successful hunt....
But in all fairness I will without a doubt anytime Texas, or Texas hunters are brought up in a bad light ,I will come to there defense as long as what they were doing was LEGAL>>>>>>

Sorry Justin..

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80% of that poll said Canned Hunting is bad for Hunting and shouldn't be allowed

Hunting.net relies soley on those coming here for its backbone and support

Hunting.net uses Canned Hunt sponsors

Now, is it a wonder that Justin kills these threads ? He and others don't want that 80% to find out that Canned Hunting sponsors pay for this site, however small the part might be. Why ? Because we as hunters, we as the 80% in that poll, hate the concept of Canned hunting and don't want any part of it, and that included participating in a site that uses them.

And thing is ......... I do not understand why Hunting.net would even take the chance using Canned hunts to begin with. Its a big black eye that cannot be healed with a cutesy, big hug all pinned thread IMO