I hate ranchers sometimes!!!
 

Well I just went to the lease to check on things and put out my game cam and WOW!!!!! 450-500 acres was whiped out , not a single living plant for as far as you could see, the rancher aireal sprayed it with a product called "BRASH" very nasty stuff, it killed all the trees and plants, I know the ranch makes over a quarter mill a year off its cattle , but dang alittle warning goes a long way..... We payed to hunt 1450 acres, not a 1000.... so all six of us that hunt the property are meeting out there fri. night to take a good look at how bad it is and then we are going to get our ducks in a row and have a talk with the ranch manger about a possible cost adjustment of letting us hunt more land to the east..... man this just plain sucks!!

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I cant feel bad for ya, I hunt state land and CFR land and if you think ranchers are hard to deal with imagine going into your stand to find a guy in a orange vest marking your tree (that you have used for 3 years, with some luck) to be cut, not next year but in 4 days. Then imagine what it feels like to haveyour state sell the ground your family has hunted on for years to a sulfid mine. At least you can talk tothe rancher and reason with him, there is on reasoning withGovernment or logers.

Man if people keep buying up this earth there wont be anything left for the little guy to use.
Best of luck in the fall, and hope it all works out.

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Sorry to hear of that.
Reminds me of spending all summer (happened twice) making me a bowhuntinghoney hole in my piney woods lease only to have them clear cut my area in September[:@].

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I dont understand why they would kill all the vegetation ??? What do the cattle eat ?? DUST

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They kill off the undesireable vegetation to make way for desireable forage .

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Sorry to hear that, but he could be putting in something as good or better. See what he has to say. I wouldn't call it fubar yet.:D

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Honestly, we would have to come to an agreement on a cost adjustment that I could live with or I would have to take my own cost adjustment out, one way or the other.

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That really bites. I am clearing a 700 acre ranch near Austin. I use a bobcat with a brushshark for heavy brush, a terminater for larger items. We had a state biologist on this property to advise on maintaining a good environment for wildlife. What did they spray mesquite?

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I doubt he sprayed to produce a good dust bowl. He's going to put something there that'll probably attract a lot more critters your way. Be patient. Look at it this way, he's created a couple temporary bottlenecks for you. I wouldn't get too upset and high and mighty with the landlord over him farming his place. Find out what he intends to do with it. It's possible he'll leave a couple swaths around the edges you could use to plant some sure enough deer forage. It will only get better. 1000 acreas surrounding a nice field is worth the wait. Patience is a virtue Grasshopper. You start having a feud with a landowner over the way he's doing what he wants with "HIS" land...... you're going to loose. I'm sure there are plenty of others standing in line waiting for the lease. If he has ore acreage adjacent you might try for a "temporary swap", but I'd play nice.

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Couldn't say it any better. Just remember, It could always be worse!!!

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Well if he plans on using it for grazing it'll hurt. But, find outwhat he plans on doing with it first. Underbrush, saplings, alpha field, etc,will be a good thing.

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David is right. A lot can happen between now and Oct. in that dirt. A couple of years ago I had a landowner burn some acerage that I turkey hunted 3 weeks before the season opened. It really irritated me, but I found in that 3 weeks, new stuff sprouted, bugs came in to eat it, turkeys came to eat the bugs, and I killed the 2 biggest gobblers of my life with ash all over my boots and butt. I know burning is a different than poisoning, but you might be surprised at what happens with the land.

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All of this has been handled in a very perfessional manner from our end (6 hunters) we are in a catch "22" area, here's the deal Landowner owns around 10-15,000 acres, several ranches that are together. The entire Johnson Ranch little over 5000 acres is leased by a "Day lease outfitter and they offer two season leases on this property, one is 750 (3 hunters) acres and then you have our lease which is 1450 acres (6 hunters)... The rancher used a product called "Brash" which is a really nasty weed and brush killer. It was sprayed to improve the habitat for Cattle not deer the native grasses are the only thing that will not die off so its great from the ranchers stand point...the cattle will be able to graze on the grass, no fields will be planted.. Here's what we are faced with , the loss of 450 acres of our lease, so what we are asking for from the Day lease outfitter is a respectable cost adjustment for the lease, or being able to hunt the adjacent property that is directly east of us to make up for it.. I think it is a very reasonable offer from us ... We will see tonight and tommorrw all parties invovled in the hunting side of it are going to try and work out a plausable settlement to keep everybody happy, and the hunting will go on.

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I know I'm way out of my geographical area here , concerning whats common practice , whats legal , and whats not , but this "Brash" doesn't sound so environmently friendly where local wildlife is concerned. I dont think I'd be wanting to eat any burgers from the cattle that will be grazing there.[:'(]
I take it that controlled burns aren't done in Texas due to the dryness?

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Actually controlled burns are very popular in this part of the country, in fact we burned about 700 acres just this past week. But mesquite and most other brush in south Texas will not be killed with a controlled burn. The trees will green up within no time, or when we get the first big rain. But when we use chemicals like Remedy, the trees are dead forever and we no longer have to worry about them.

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We use remedy for mesquiite, and juniper. If all the vegetation is dead, I doubt anything will grow before this fall.