Shot an 05 Old Glory..May give up on Oneida's after all....
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Lancaster, Ohio
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RE: Shot an 05 Old Glory..May give up on Oneida's after all....
hay dairy king about ur arm. that probably felt good. but if i had a digital camera i would of took a picture of mine and would of wiped u up with mine. i had one from elbow to halfway to my risk. WITH BLOOD UNDERNEATH IT. it herd SO FLIPPIN BAD. and to top if off i was going over to one of my "girlfriends" house. and it kinda grossed her out. just a little of advice DONT BY TRU FIRE RELEAESES. i was drawing and it came undone. i lost it when i emailed them.
#12
RE: Shot an 05 Old Glory..May give up on Oneida's after all....
I'm not trying to tell you that the proper draw length would correct every single 'flaw' you felt the OG had, but I still say you'd noticea difference. A draw length that's two inches too long puts you considerably out of form, IMO, which leads to all sorts of negatives. (like getting string-whipped in the forearm.) Maybe getting the OG over the 'hump' wouldn't have felt so bad if you didn't have to pull back two more inches than what you're used to.
I've test-shot bows where the draw length was considerably longer than what I'm used to and it makes a difference, IMO. Other people who shot those same bows would tell me how nice they shot, but they felt terrible to me.
But, of course, I'm probably alone on this. Oh well. Enjoy your bow.
I've test-shot bows where the draw length was considerably longer than what I'm used to and it makes a difference, IMO. Other people who shot those same bows would tell me how nice they shot, but they felt terrible to me.
But, of course, I'm probably alone on this. Oh well. Enjoy your bow.
#13
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Memphis TN USA
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RE: Shot an 05 Old Glory..May give up on Oneida's after all....
Not to sound like a jackass, but....How could that have made the draw smoother, less of a hump at let off, and the vibration any different?It may, but I dont see how that would change.
#14
RE: Shot an 05 Old Glory..May give up on Oneida's after all....
The guys at my shop have said that the longer draw length (30" +) do seem to have a somewhat stiffer draw than the shorter draws with the Binary Cams. A friend of mine looked at the Old Glory with his 31" draw and didn't care for it. Hey, you tried it and didn't like it. At least now you know. You mentioned the limb was cracked, did that happen while you were shooting it? That may have contributed to some of the vibration you felt.
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Nontypical Buck
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Roodhouse Illinois
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RE: Shot an 05 Old Glory..May give up on Oneida's after all....
I never bashed the Old Glory, I simply said I didnt like the draw cycle of the bow, and how itfelt.When I asked how could it have changed it any, I was literally, *gasp* asking. I didnt know, so I was asking, and thank you cj, for telling me. The next time I'm up there,which won't be too long from now. I will have them set me up with one just to see if there is a difference.
Silent, Congratulations, your older than me. What? Do you want a cookie? One question, though, When was the last time you shot an Oneida? Please don't tell me back in the Loomis Era.
On to the subject of Monster Bows. The reason they do this with the Stealth is because of Roger "Dodger" Loomis, the previous owner of Oneida. There wasn't enough R&D done on the bow, and it was shipped out before it was totally completed, just to get a few more bucks. Within a year, most if not all Stealths had been returned with all kinds of issues. Being with a life time warrenty, they had to fix the bows. They still didn't fix the bows like they should. So, Mike and Bob saw the potential in this bow and fixed all the flaws that Roger Loomis didn't care to fix. As far as my bow. It was a personal option, the stock Oneida's are perfectly fine.
Silent, Congratulations, your older than me. What? Do you want a cookie? One question, though, When was the last time you shot an Oneida? Please don't tell me back in the Loomis Era.
On to the subject of Monster Bows. The reason they do this with the Stealth is because of Roger "Dodger" Loomis, the previous owner of Oneida. There wasn't enough R&D done on the bow, and it was shipped out before it was totally completed, just to get a few more bucks. Within a year, most if not all Stealths had been returned with all kinds of issues. Being with a life time warrenty, they had to fix the bows. They still didn't fix the bows like they should. So, Mike and Bob saw the potential in this bow and fixed all the flaws that Roger Loomis didn't care to fix. As far as my bow. It was a personal option, the stock Oneida's are perfectly fine.
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Nontypical Buck
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Roodhouse Illinois
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RE: Shot an 05 Old Glory..May give up on Oneida's after all....
Here's a full write up about the Stealth from one my good friends in PA, Jeff.
The Oneida Stealth is different than other Oneida's and is capable of doing things no other bow produced is capable of. The Stealth looks similar to other Oneida's but upon closer examination one will notice that the cams are totally different.[/align][/align]When released to the public, the Stealth had not received the proper testing & research& development and it was destined to fail which it soon did.[/align]Although the Stealth as sold new can be shot, it will never nearly reachits full potential and can even cause problems tothose uneducated to this particular bow and these were the reasons for its short life span and failure.[/align]Performance never neared expectations as advertised and if one adjusts the draw length just a bit too far, the bow CAN lock up at full draw and stay there. It can be released but caution must be exercised during this process.[/align][/align]Recently a solution has been discovered that "UPGRADES" the Stealthand makesit what it was intended to be.The upgrademakes it safe to shoot and capable of doing things that no other bow produced is capable of.[/align]2men have discovered & perfected this upgrade process. Bob Benedreau from Ontario, an Electrical Engineerwhom also operates his own Bow Shop and has for years and Mike Schuch, a Mechanical Engineer from the Detroit area.[/align][/align]The upgrade includes fixing and eliminating the potential for "lock up" using multiple methods. Includes new cables and string per the desired set up for the individual shooter and some other mechanical upgrades as well.[/align]Once upgraded, the Stealth will create speed, energy& power that far exceeds any other bow produced today.
[/align]It will be capable of up to 95% let off.For example, my first Stealth when set at a peak draw weight of 59 lbs, at full draw the holding weight was a mere 4 lbs. This allows the shooter increased stability which in turn improves accuracy &eases shooting among other things.Another interesting thing is that with all bows EXCEPT the Stealth, as you increase let off % you sacrifice arrow speed. The higher the let off the slower the arrow but not withthe Stealth.[/align]Once upgraded, The Stealth will shoot an arrow at the same speed regardless of let off.[/align]My 2nd Stealth shoots my 475 grain arrow at the 260 fps range. I have 2 other Oneida's that at the same draw weight of 65 lbs, these other two shoot the same 475 grain arrow at around 240 fps, over 20 fps slower than the Stealth which is quite a bit.[/align]
The Oneida Stealth is different than other Oneida's and is capable of doing things no other bow produced is capable of. The Stealth looks similar to other Oneida's but upon closer examination one will notice that the cams are totally different.[/align][/align]When released to the public, the Stealth had not received the proper testing & research& development and it was destined to fail which it soon did.[/align]Although the Stealth as sold new can be shot, it will never nearly reachits full potential and can even cause problems tothose uneducated to this particular bow and these were the reasons for its short life span and failure.[/align]Performance never neared expectations as advertised and if one adjusts the draw length just a bit too far, the bow CAN lock up at full draw and stay there. It can be released but caution must be exercised during this process.[/align][/align]Recently a solution has been discovered that "UPGRADES" the Stealthand makesit what it was intended to be.The upgrademakes it safe to shoot and capable of doing things that no other bow produced is capable of.[/align]2men have discovered & perfected this upgrade process. Bob Benedreau from Ontario, an Electrical Engineerwhom also operates his own Bow Shop and has for years and Mike Schuch, a Mechanical Engineer from the Detroit area.[/align][/align]The upgrade includes fixing and eliminating the potential for "lock up" using multiple methods. Includes new cables and string per the desired set up for the individual shooter and some other mechanical upgrades as well.[/align]Once upgraded, the Stealth will create speed, energy& power that far exceeds any other bow produced today.
[/align]It will be capable of up to 95% let off.For example, my first Stealth when set at a peak draw weight of 59 lbs, at full draw the holding weight was a mere 4 lbs. This allows the shooter increased stability which in turn improves accuracy &eases shooting among other things.Another interesting thing is that with all bows EXCEPT the Stealth, as you increase let off % you sacrifice arrow speed. The higher the let off the slower the arrow but not withthe Stealth.[/align]Once upgraded, The Stealth will shoot an arrow at the same speed regardless of let off.[/align]My 2nd Stealth shoots my 475 grain arrow at the 260 fps range. I have 2 other Oneida's that at the same draw weight of 65 lbs, these other two shoot the same 475 grain arrow at around 240 fps, over 20 fps slower than the Stealth which is quite a bit.[/align]
#18
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Memphis TN USA
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RE: Shot an 05 Old Glory..May give up on Oneida's after all....
Silent, Congratulations, your older than me. What? Do you want a cookie?
#20
RE: Shot an 05 Old Glory..May give up on Oneida's after all....
I shoot stuff,Why would you say don't buy a Tru Fire release??I have been shooting a Tru Firerelease for 5 years now and have never had it "come undone".In fact about a month ago i noticed that the head had started to seperate from the glove and Len told me he would sent it back and they would repair or replace.Guess what they have a lifetime warranty anf fixed it for free.Probably if you took your finger off the trigger it would not "come undone"