Shawn Chatam Chasing The Dream JOKE!!!
 

OK this crap is just amazing!!,, They will put anything on tv now.. i just flipped on the tube and this show was on the outdoor channel. Some guy is hunting with a bow out in the open in open timber on the ground not even hiding behind anything, He says hes trying to hunt this "big buck" And lo and behold here it comes right toward him, and its huge and still in velvet, it gets to like 20 yards and just stops and stares at him head on. The guy takes the shot at a head on deer, looked like he hit it in the neck. Next scene is the "hero" scene where he is talking about how good his hunt was at joe blow whitetail preserve. And how awesome it is to kill a deer scoring 222" It really got under my skin to show this stuff on tv, hunting high fence preserves and taking totally unethical shots at deer bigger than most of us will ever get a chance to ever see in our lives. I guess when it is in a high fence enclosure you can shoot it wherever you want since it cant get away! I know this stuff happens all the time, every day in places just like this, but do they have to show it on tv for the people who dont know any better to watch is and think it is normal and ok. Sorry just had to rant a little!![:@]

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Yeah some of these TV personalities should be arrested for trying to impersonate hunters.

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That guy has a ton of fans! :(:D[:@] IF I had a dollar for every thread I've read where everyone was hating this guy! I can't believe he still has a show as much negative feedback as I've read. I'm not sure I have ever seen the guy on a Fair Chase hunt? [:'(] From 400" Velvet antlerd Elk in Canada to RIFLE whitetail hunts in Ohio!

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No problem other than the shot you mentioned. It would be better served on the Farming and Ranch channel. I see nothing unetical about the harvest (other than the shot, which I didnt see). Just needs to be called harvesting. I have noticed that too about alot of the hunts. Guys standing up right, in broad day light getting huge bucks to stand still for them. Its never happened to me that way.

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You ain't kidding...that cocky as* guy and his show are a total joke [:'(]. It's defiantely my least favorite show on the outdoor channel...when ever it comes on...its time to do some serious channel surfing. I absolutely hate those shows that are filmed entirely on fenced in game farms.

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I have even gone so far as to email the people at the Outdoor Channel about how bad this show is[:'(]:([:@]

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I here ya man. How can they even call themselves hunters? Damn Bucks come a running in like they are a family pet. I cut a fart in my area and i won,t see a buck for a week. i guess it wouldn,t be much of a show just looking at trees and critters, but that,s what usually happens.

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Those comments right there say it all. Thats the reason why you can find so many threads like this one on hunting sites............

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Care to enlighten us? Or at least give us a slight clue as to what the heck your getting at?

Working with just that comment , I'm lead to believe that your just angered by folks who dont think shooting deer behind a fence is hunting.

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I have saw the show several times. I am not a fan of that show or the host. I agree with you all from what I have witnessed.

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What I mean is that most people watch a show and jump to conclusions. To most people if the hunting on a show is better then what they are use to, then they start badmouthing the show, the hunter, and the game they kill. They automatically think that the guy must be "cheating" some how, because they are not killing the same size of bucks or seeing the same number of deer that JoeBlow sees on the back 40 or on the over hunted public land that they are use to hunting.

Now I'm not just referring to this show, I cant even remember seeing this particular show. But I see these type of threads over and over again concerning just about every show out there.

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Translation, He hunts alot of high fence ranches in Texas. Nobody said anythying about the game these guys take every week. When your surrounded by book bucks because of game management, high fences, feeders, or what ever who cares. just don,t act like your gods gift to hunting because you shot a brute when there were 8 more standing beside him. I have had the opportunity to see and harvest some nice bucks here in kansas. None were ever easy, there were never a group of monster bucks standing together. Two or three fighting at most, and it took countless hours in the stand to get the chance. Just give us one show that the average hunter can relate to. Would I like to hunt one of those places where big bucks are all over? You bet your arse. But the joe blows that put hundreds of hours in the stands year after year to get that trophy will always be my heros and defination of a true hunter.

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I'm not sure exactly what you are venting about, but is your statement on your signature how you really want people that don't know any better to precieve your hunting skill and ability????

Is it?????? :eek:

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Motownhonky:

Thats the entire point I'm trying to make. What is "normal" to one hunter is not normal to another. No matter what type of hunting shows that are out there, there will always be people complaining because its not "exactly" like they are use to. I could type an entire noval about things that I dont like about hunting shows. Why dont I like them? Because I cant relate to some of it, which is fine, but I'm not generally going to come on a website and whine about it.


I never have. I have yet to ever post a picture of any of the bucks that I have killed, seen, or have trail camera pictures of. Guys like me dont pound our chest, its guys like the one who started this thread that like to pound their chest and claim ''my way is the only way".

Thats called GOOD management. Trust me it takes ALOT more time, money, and restraint to have "8 bucks the same size standing there" then it does for the type of hunting you are use to.

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TXhighrack

you said...

"Thats called GOOD management. Trust me it takes ALOT more time, money, and restraint to have "8 bucks the same size standing there" then it does for the type of hunting you are use to."

How can you say you have more restraint or more time invested then the type of hunting " most " hunters are use to. Some of us don't shoot the first young buck that comes by. We invest a lot of our time in scouting, hunting and passing young bucks in hopes of finally getting a shot at a big buck. Without the high fence or very large tracts of land under complete control, we are lucky to just see 8 170 class or better bucks in our life time let alone standing next to each other. Many of us won't and we are very dedicated to hunting.

Our bucks have to survive rut, harsh winters, hunters, poachers, vehicles and predators. Yours have to survive what exactly other then old age??

We have to deal with many things out of our control where your controlled enviroment doesn't. We compete with other hunters, finding access to good hunting ground, hunt pressured deer and ect...

You might spend more money ( no doubt ) but you are able to manage your area where "most " of the hunters can't. You need 1000's of acres for that which I imagine most hunters don't have . QDM on 100 acres is a farse, you need 1000's to make a difference.

This isn't meant as a cheap shot at high fence nor my way is better then your's... this is just the reality that " most " hunters know and deal with.

Tim

Ps If you have a picture of 8 large bucks, please post it. I won't take it as bragging... I would just like to see 8 big-uns standing together before I die. :)

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TX,

I understand where you are coming from but you'll just have to take my word for it when I tell you that my reasons for not liking Shawn Chatam have nothing to do with jealousy. You may categorize it in any way that you see fit and that is your perogative but you would be wrong. If Shawn Chatam is your hero then that's great but IMO the guy is a snapper head. On the contrary there are some shows that I really enjoy such as Primos, The Drury's, the Wild Outdoors etc where they all kill big deer and I don't have any negatives to say about those shows except when Jay airs footage of his wife not being able to draw her bow and him having to help her and then her still shooting[:'(] but I digress.;) The reason I don't like Shawn Chatam is multifold. For one I just don't like his personality or his protrayal of hunting. Most of his shots are behind high fences where he is hunting animals that he is paying thousands and thousands of dollars for and he exibits little if any skill in doing so. On one of his episodes he sneaks up on a 400 + class elk through the leaves making enough noise that your average grizzly bear would have run away and hid, yet this unpressured high fenced elk just stands there looking at him.....................WTF................ that is not an accurate representation of hunting elk. Any bull that lived in the wild to be a 400 + class bull did not do so by beeing as stupid as this elk was. But then again you aren't going to realistically see 400 class bulls in the wild. The other times you see him he is in a box blind same ol thing he is behind a high fence again and out comes another 180 class buck and he shoots at it and half the time it's a shot that should have never been taken and the next scene is him standing over his trophy class animal:eek: I just think he and that type of show are poor examples of the hunting community. I don't have a problem with the Primos guys and the RealTree guys going to a high fence ranch occaisionally for a hunt. I don't have a problem with it for a couple of reasons. The first of which is that the high fences they hunt are normally several thousand acres not smaller enclosures. The second of which is that they do not spend the majority of their shows hunting high fenced enclosures. The final reason is that even when those guys are hunting those areas I get the impression that they are seasoned professionals doing something that they love and that they are good at. I get the impression from Shawn Chatam that he is a jackleg spoiled little rich kid that decided having a hunting show would be cool so he got his daddy to pay for it and it only keeps his interest if "hunts" somewhere that he knows he can kill a trophy. To him it only appears to be about the trophy. Now these are just my opinions but I don't want him representing me to the non-hunting public. You can try to work that around in your head to try and justify your assumption that all of us that don't like his show are just jealous but it's a bit naive considering there are several other shows that I do truely enjoy where they also kill big deer and elk. I simply feel like they do more to earn them than he does and they are better ambassodors of the sport than he is and I feel like they have more engaging personalities than he does. I know you are a high fence advocate but your blanket assumption and accusation that everybody that doesn't like a show is jealous is just as bad as those blanket assumptions by those that are just jealous.

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Some of these "fake" shows need to just be taken off. I dont see how they even get on the outdoor channel.

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Jimmy Houston and Ronnie Dunn very nearly got arrested in my state for hunting violations including Lacey Act violations , if they hadn't turned on the preserve owner they probably would've been sharing his cell .

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M-O-N-E-Y is your answer , I quit watching the Outdoor Channel because I can't stand watching all those damned canned hunts they televise . [:'(]

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Well i can't say anything bad about him because, honestly i've never even heard of him..who is he?

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Silent:

First let me say that I'm not just referring to the Shawn Chatam show. And no where did I say anything about people not supporting high fences. My point in all of my previous post is that people jump to conclusions when a show comes on that dosent have the guy/girl/kid hunting the exact some way that they do. Alot of people automatically think the show is filmed behind a high fence or some 10 acre pen. And some of the shows are, but alot arent. Now I'll say it right now, I dont support guys killing animals that have lost there natural fear of humans. And I dont support guys who hunt in small enclosures. I personally dont hunt like Shawn, my hunts are more like what you would see on Realtree or Buckmasters where they are hunting in Mexico and on the Tecomate, El Cazador, or the Perlitz ranch etc.

TJF:

I know alot of you guys bust your butt looking and hunting for deer. And I know you guys have alot of variables that come into play that I dont deal with. But what I meant is very simple. My goal is to manage and take care of an entire deer herd and the thousands of acres of untouched brush that they live on. Your goal is to kill a particular deer in a particular area off of public land. It takes alot of time, energy, and money to manage a herd. Being able to sit in a blind and look at several bucks that most guys would drool over, is the result of alot of hard work, dedication, and restraint.

The deer up north have to survive harsh winters, the deer down here have to survive harsh summers. Extreme winters and extreme drought conditions are both deadly to deer and can wipe out alot of them in a short period of time. Our deer also have to survive coyotes and the occasional lion. But honestly the deers biggest threat is themselves. You would be amazed at the number of bucks that are found dead each year because of the rut. It dosent have anything to do with the high fence, it has to do with the tight buck:doe ratio in the area.

I dont have any pictures of 8 large bucks standing next to each other. Even on some of the best ranches in south Texas, finding a true trophy buck (160"+) is a rare find. We have alot of 130-140" bucks, but that number greatly reduces once you move up the B&C scale.
I remember back in college we would go out and do helicopter captures on some of the biggest and most famous ranches in the state. These ranches brought top dollar when it came to deer hunts and they where, and still are, regarded as having some of the best whitetail hunting in the world. Over the 5 years that I attended college we caught 1,500+ bucks off of these ranches. We might have caught 4 dozen bucks that would break the 160" mark, the biggest I remember catching was scored at 197", he was caught on the King ranch. Fifty bucks out of 1,500+ isint much, especially when you consider the fact that we where on premium property and in some cases using 2 helicopters and 2 net gunners at the same time. Big deer are rare, theres no two ways about it.

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TH, I wasn,t referring to you when I said these guys act like gods gift to hunting. I was referring to certain hunting show personalities. I don,t know you and assume you are a supreme individual. I hope you kill alot of brutes. I have been fortunate to take a couple of big bucks in my 20 pluse years of bow hunting. If I had the chance to bag one every time I went out hunting i would quit. After thousands of hours on stand and that monster finally appears, that,s my idea of a great bow hunt. I remember every second of the hunt where I bet these hunting personalities forget about it 10 minutes after the camera is off. Peace!

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I just wonder if when they show people their mounts if they tell them "ALL" the details :i.e how much the animal cost,how high the fence was .... how long they had it for...had it been Vet checked...

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TXhighrack,,, Im the 'guy who started this thread" and it has NOTHING to do with "pounding my chest" It has to do with the fact of a show on tv that I found very unethical and not uplifting to the hunting comunity. I also fail to see where people who post pics of animals which they are proud of taking or animals which they get game cam pics is pounding their chest, they and myself are simple sharing with others who enjoy seeing everyones success and hearing about the hunts, this is part of the reason I come to this site. You also mentioned game management, and your right, it is awesome to put in lots of time and effort into your hunting ground and have pictures and chances at bucks that most of the people in your area would be thrilled to take. I put a lot into our family farm, and like to share any pictures and stories with others who enjoy it as much as me, sorry if that makes you think Im braging or pounding my chest.[:@]

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recurver67,
you said it all

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I'm still wondering who the heck he is

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Back to the original thread, if the show that was referred to was the one hunting on Redmon's Whitetail Preserve in Ohio............I have to agree that the place is a monster buck shooting factory. [:'(]

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......and a high fence!;)

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A high fence dosent hurt, but I have seen the same results while hunting on many different "non-highfenced" ranches.

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As far as Shawn Chatam is concerned, he isn't at the top of my list of "pros" that I would like to hunt with. I have seen several of his shows and they are over the top. To me, hunting is working hard for your animal, not sitting in a tree-top 5 star hotel and picking off one of the 10 monster bucks comming into your corn.

I have no problem with people who mangae their herds and heck, I don't care about high fences (not my cup of tea, but who am I to judge?), I don't care about baiting, ect. My problem lies with his attitude. He simply acts as if he is a whitetail hunting machine where as he is simply put in a spot by some guides.

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Thats one show that if was taken off I would NOT miss at all , way to fake ......

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I haven't seen the show, but I know it would bother me. I enjoy the the hard work I put into my hunting, and I appreciate the hard work others put into their's. It's clear from reading this thread that deer hunting across this country is different everywhere, and that deer hunters and deer herds face different challenges. Living in New England, and hunting deer here is a lot different than hunting in Texas. I know this, if I had 1000 acres or so I too would practice the same deer management as the ranchers do in Texas. But this is straying from the point,

It should also be noted that magazines also promote this unethical practice of shooting "trophy" animals behind high fences and not disclosing the facts of the hunt. Have you ever noticed trophy animals measured, qualifying for P&Y, or B&C, but being labeled SCI? This is because P&Y, and B&C don't recognize animals harvested under less than fair chase conditions, but SCI does.