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Does anybody ever had any issues with the rage broadheads ?
I don't see a lot of people voting for them in the favorite Bhead thread......

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Come on...you are joking right? Can't wait to see where this is going to go........

Yea,
First let me say,I HAVE NEVER USED THEM,but they look like a very well made broadhead!
I have thought about trying some,but haven't made up my mind yet!
But to the problem I have with them,Its there marketing that I have a problem with,they pay big name hunters to use and endorse them,and then tell you to EXPAND you kill zone,there like throwing an ax through a animal,ect.
Well they may cut an impressive hole,leave good blood trails,ect. but so will many other good broadheads on the market.
But,I feel there ads are missleading, and have even heard a few newbee's to bowhunting think that, the RAGE will make up for there lacking in accuracy and skill.
And I don't think there is ANY product that will ever replace,dedication and practice,practice and more practice!
That is why not everyone bowhunts they don't want or have the time to dedicate to it.

it's not going anywhere, I just have my own opinion and want to compare it with others.

So what's the fuss about mechanicals, I think like many others that shotplacement is the keyfactor.

Had a 3 blade that didn't open last evening, wasn't impressed.

I have used them and have blown huge holes through deer. My Lady uses the Rage 40KE with good success as well. I personally get a better blood trail with Rage 2 Blade than anything else I have tried over the past 32 years. Losing deer or not getting a pass thru is usually not the broadheads fault it's shot placement.

Well I think the 2-blade would be better than the 3-blade I'm using now. I understand the importance of shot placement and I've had one not open up and it wasn't because of poor placement.

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I have shot 4 deer and 6 turkeys with the Rage 2 blade head and have never had a failure. These are quality heads that perform as advertised. Huge entry holes and huge blood trails. If they don't work for you, shoot something else. My 2 cents and I am thankful to have a place to discuss such matters.:rock:

hahaha...well there is only 2 ways it can go.
way #1. your the biggest fan of rage and think they are the best broadheads on the market.... or
way #2 you freakin hate rage and think they are the biggest pieces of sh** on the market
thats how it has ended up on all the 1billion rage threads posted on this site :lmao:

I am neither, I just noticed that most people in the favorite Bhead thread mentioned fixed more than mechanicals...
So....

thats because a lot of hunters dont place a good shot, they will shoot a deer in back,angled etc.some even shoot deer up the backend.
dont laugh,more than you think.
a lot of hunters have lost respect for the deer.they will shoot a deer between eyes if that is only shot.
using expanding points they will not open if shot placement is not ethical.
i have friends that road hunt.
hundreds of them.
they jump out and the deer is looking at them,they pull up and shoot with expanding point.

then they wound the deer and wound a lot of bucks this way.
i sit in my stand, i let buck turn BROADSIDE,then i shoot my expanding point, NEVER LOST BUCK.
last year i let go a huge 8 point at around 33 yds because i could not get broadside shot.he stood there for 5 minutes. i had shot from the top of shoulder and neck.

MOST WOULD HAVE SHOT AT THIS BUCK.not sproul. i believe in kill not wounding any deer.
people who dont think this way will shoot angled shots or any shots.
is this normal, YOU BET IT IS.out of say 10 hunters i know in my area, myself and 1 more are ETHICAL HUNTERS.we are dieing breed,fossil waiting to go.

now its BROWN ITS DOWN hunters and with it comes expanding points not opening.this is why some are going back to fixed points.these are hunters mostly that dont wait for broadside shot,some just feel more comfortable with fixed but i feel its ANGLED SHOT HUNTER that uses them.
i shot spitfire into 50 targets ,we tested the spitfires on fake deer too,not 1 time did they not open, not 1 time.
these were all broadside shots.
then i took ANGLED SHOTS,out of 9 shots 5 glanced off the fake buck and did not open.
LISTEN TO WHAT I AM SAYING,did not open.throw in a live deer withFUR/RIBS/BONES and that could be even worst .

IF I WAS ANGLED HUNTER i would never use a expanding point ,NEVER.

SPROUL HAS SPOKEN!:deer:

I just started shooting the 2 blade Rage this year and so far I'm extremely impressed. The holes are huge and the blood trails are insane! The first deer I shot only went 30 yards so trailing wasn't even an issue. I have heard negative reports about the 3 blades not opening, but I haven't heard of a 2 blade not opening. I really don't see how it could not open unless you were reusing a head with bent blades or something.

This is from the last doe I shot last week.



Below is a picture from a Buck I shot last year.

I am a new bow hunter but have hunted for all my life. This weekend I shot 2 does with rage two blades equipped with lumenoks. 1st doe comes in, with a good broadside shot I draw. I'm over 6 foot with a long draw length in a tiny blind. Lots of noise. Her head whips up, arrows going down range, she turns tail and hauls butt. It went in one shoulder and exited by her hip. Perfect penetration. Opened perfect. THE PICTURE IS BELOW. How bout them RAGES.

2nd doe comes in. Good broadside, lots of noise, arrow down range. She's slower. It goes in back of rib cage exits front of rib cage. Cut both main arteries and both lungs. As she runs away blood pours from both sides like Niagara Falls. Doesn't go 20 yards.

Simply put not the most impressive mechanical bhead, havent had the greatest luck, just my opinion hope it helps!!!

When it's all said and done, you can think what you wanna think about the Rage, fixed vs. mechanical or any broad head...but SPROUL really has hit the nail on the head here.

For what it's worth, as of this year, I am now a Rage shooter and haven't had an opportunity to take a deer with one yet. I will share the results when I do!

thanks for good words.
back when we only had like fred bear points,they were shaped like a zewicky hunting point.they had razor you put in middle.

believe this,I SAW THEM GLANCE OFF MANY A BUCKS SHOULDERS AND FLY DOWN INTO WOODS.this was ANGLED SHOTS.

now today we have the mechanicals.just think how they will glance off a front shoulder if a point like i mentioned would glance off.

I've also had great luck with Rage 2 blades. Consistent and effective with good shot placement. I hit an 8 pointer 2 years ago, good shot placement but hit the opposite shoulder and didn't pass thru...deer dropped 20 yards from the shot. The pic's above from LKNChoppers tell it all, if you can get a 2-3 inch hole with any broadhead in the lungs odds are good for recovery.

My 2 cents on Rage and mechanicals in general is that if you have a fast bow with 400g + arrows you will be fine.

If you are shooting less the 250fps you should prob stick with your favorite fixed blade.

Bottom line is no matter which you use shot placement is the real key.

The problem I have had with the four deer I have killed with a 2 blade Rage this year is this huge bloody spot right in the middle of my hunting area where that rage cut that massive swath in them. Four deer shot, 2 DRT and the other two went about fifty yards with great blood trail. All blades opened and none broke on any of the shots. I shoot a Z7 30" 70# with CE Maxima 350 at about 310 fps. I am gueessing arrow weighs around 380ish grains.

Some things I noticed about mechanicals
 

Some archers are successful with them, or they wouldn't be selling them for so long.

Some hunters will always have problems with mechanical difficulties, when it comes to something mechanical.

Some archers will expect any product to work perfectly, every time, even if they never study how the product is suppose to operate.

And some folks will always blame the product and never blame themselves for any contribution to the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZRzBYuBIc4


all you need to know about a Rage is the above

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvdq-c_2pJE

4:32 into it ... Rage didn't make it all the way through and BROKE

if you take a big fat nail and hit it with hammer on that same wood,it will go in a little.

take a small dia nail and it will go right thru.

same in that test.
the rage has that big fat head slowing things down going thru and the slick trick has thin pointed head that slides like butter.

this is why i like the NAP SPITFIRE 100,that pointed sharp tip .
i would bet that SPITFIRE would have gone right thru.
rage head is just to fat.

i really like the SLICK TRICK 100 very much.it flys very well too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc-sr...eature=related

4:30 into it, the Rage failed to open shooting into a cantelope !

look at how the 4 blade Whack 'Em did ...

But that Slick Trick magnum has 11% more cutting ability than the Rage 2 blade. It isn't the pointed tip that slows it up. Instead it's the wide cut that hinders penetration.

Any broadhead, regardless of who manufactures it, that has super wide cutting diameters will penetrate less than a broadhead that has equal cutting surface but a smaller diameter. Such as the Rage and Slick Trick. The Rage has a super wide cutting diameter but actually cuts less than the ST but the ST will out penetrate the Rage in every testing medium I have tested them in.

The biggest problem with these super wide heads is that they all require massive amounts of energy energy to push them through the animal and even more to push them through bones. If you don't have the energy and momentum to push these types of broadheads through then absolutely stay away from them.


IMO the other problem with Rage heads stems from their irresponsible and wreckless advertising campaign.

*Get your game or your money back. SERIOUSLY????? Has anyone tried this?
*It's like throwing an axe through the animal. Really Chuch Adams???? Just like a 6" wide axe blade?
*Expand your kill zone. Really? Just how much does my kill zone expand with a rage?

Down right irresponsible advertising. It's one thing if you are young and brand new to the sport, don't have a clue, and have no one to guide you on your way and you take the word of these so called "experts" because they are suppose to be trust worthy and not a bunch of product whores... but if your an experienced bow hunter and you fall for the down right reckless marketing hype then you have no one to blame but yourself if you don't get the BS results that they claim on television.

inpart yes


Rage swears a 3 blade will outpenetrate a 2 blade. Aint that funny?


have you tested Razortricks?


what % would you guess of bowhunters that shoot too light an arrow to carry the momentum to shoot the Rage?




one thing you didn't mention in your well thought out post was the potential for a mechanical to fail

i shot my first with a rage last saturday, the wound channel was almost gross. and my arrow was stuck 7 inches into the ground. ima believer

use the 2 blade :)
cant beat 2" cutting diameter

Well....finally tried out a 2blade rage for the 1st time. Im not sure what to say. I had a 25 yard broadside shot on a big body spike yesterday morning. Let me 1st say I'm a huge fan of mechanicals but this is the 1st time I've had a shot with the Rage head.

I shot a tad high and hit the lung area on the deer, this deer was pretty much 100% broadside not quartering either way. The arrow did not pass completely thru but was sticking out of the deer about a foot on the opposite side, so the broadhead passed completely thru but not the arrow. I got a very clear view of the deer after the shot. It ran towards me a bit and then turned and went up into the woods. It was shot in a grassy field. I waited about an hour before I got out of the stand.

I use a 335FPS IBO bow. I have a 30" draw/70lbs and my arrows weigh close to 500grains. This is the 1st time I havent had a complete pass thru with this bow using mechanicals, some of which have larger cutting dia. then do the rage.

Here's were things get fishy.....like I said I saw the arrow was sticking out about 12" on the opposite side of the deer(broadhead went thru deer but arrow didnt completely pass thru) but I got almost zero blood for the 1st 50 yards or so walking over to the woods. At that point I stopped called buddies on the radio and waited another hour or so to start tracking in the woods. 1st 50 yards was in the field.

I got guys rounded up and we started tracking the deer. (apprx 2.5hours later from when I shot) about 50 yards in the woods of where I thought he ran we finally started seeing blood. About 200 yards in, we found my arrow and blood all over the sides of saplings. We then started tracking good blood on ground and on sides of trees. We tracked pretty good blood for another 1000yards or so up and down ridges. We were taking breaks along the way, the blood trail finally went away and we never found the deer. I've never seen so much blood come out of an animal witout dieing. He must have stopped for an IV or something.

Odd things were...no real blood trail for the 1st 100 yards or so, Arrow didnt pass thru and it was a pretty good(not perfect) lung shot. Like I said I clearly viewed both sides of the deer after the shot.

So IDK was this a rage thing or just bad luck or what. Im not going to say a bad word about the broadhead cause frankly I don't know for sure. Part of me really wanted to find the deer not just because of the obvious but to see what the entrance and exit holes looked like.

I will be back in the woods and will have another rage on my arrow but may be second guessing myself when I draw....IDK honestly. Im heading back over today to again look for the deer. It was warm here yesterday so its ruined by now but I really want some answers to what really happened.

Not really. That's basically what he was saying. The wider diameter broadheads don't penetrate as far as a smaller diameter broadhead. The 3-blade Rage has a smaller cutting diameter, hence it penetrates more.


The arrow was probably preventing the blood from coming out. Basic first aid says if you are impaled on an object, do not pull it out because it could be plugging the hole preventing you from bleeding out. The arrow sticking in the wound is the same basic principle.

Possibly the arrow was...except a 2.5" hole around the arrow on both sides(if BH opened properly) of the deer should still drop a good bit of blood.

Well, another person decides the rage is hype. The guy who runs our lease had a shot on an 11pt that we all have been fighting to get. 35 yards, a little high, quartering away shot, and only got 2-3" of penetration and broke off the arrow. Never could find em. All our fighting and argueing about short standing and all of us putting pressure on one set of woods, came down to this.

I have yet to see a thunderhead, magnus, G5, muzzy fixed do this. But it seems very common place for rages and even spitfires. He says he is changing next year.

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Here's one for you, I shot a buck in KS. last Thursday with a 2 blade Rage quartering away at 20 yards and hit him right behind the right rib cage. The arrow exited out of the left side of his neck complete pass through. Massive blood trail and he only went 80 yards. How's that for penetration? By the way the only deer that I have ever lost was with a Muzzy, so maybe it is not the broadhead but the shot placement.:bash:

bad shot placement and shooting a spike is wrong.

Yep and if you never done either, then you probably not hunted long.

Not shooting a Spike? What planet are you from? It was a few year old large body deer. Not all folks hunt for wall hangers....I actually like making Jerky and Bologna so unless its a monster Im looking for how much meat he has on the bones more then anything.

Is a lung shot perfect..No...but bad shot? Whatever you say...

I found deer yesterday afternoon, from the wounds on either side of the rib cage the BH never opened on either side(entrance--exit) of the deer. So of course Im sick over it and guess I will go back to what I used to use that worked.

Got a complete pass through with a rage 2 blade on this big bodied 10 pt and every other deer we have shot with rages. Watched him tip over, went maybe 35 yards. Dad only shoots 58 pounds and still gets pass throughs every time except a high shoulder blade shot where no broadhead will penetrate unless are shooting at least 85+ pounds.

you are right too.

That about sums it up.Not saying a rage won't kill a deer but they offer no advantage over a slick trick or other similar fixed blade.

The advertising they do is completely irresponsible.