gaurdian compared to the black ice
01-29-2008, 02:07 PM
#3
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Oct 1998
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RE: gaurdian compared to the black ice
To be honest, it's hard to compare the Black Ice with the Guardian. The first thing you'll notice, as smooth as it is, it will be slightly harsher than the Black Ice being the Black Ice is a single cam. Pound for pound the Guardian may pull slightly harder over through the draw cycle but in terms of shock and noise, (virtually none) only the General compares to it.
01-29-2008, 02:44 PM
#4
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jun 2007
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RE: gaurdian compared to the black ice
I have owned and shot both a considerable amount. I prefer the Draw on the Guardian personally and would label it as Smooth. I have shot mostly an Allegiance the past few years with Speed mods. The Draw cycle on a bow is the last thing I consider when purchasing a new Bow, as long as it has a nice valley and anchors solid for me. 60# is 60# and your body/muscles soon become accustomed to variances in a draw cycle. Reasons I prefer the Guardian is the slightly longer A to A and the lack of noise and hand shock is Awesome. The Bow seems to be very forgiving which may be due to the deflex riser design. I mean it just will flat wad arrows very effortlessly.
Both are nice Bows!! The Guardian would just be my personal choice
Dan
Both are nice Bows!! The Guardian would just be my personal choice
Dan
01-31-2008, 08:14 AM
#5
Spike
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NNY
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RE: gaurdian compared to the black ice
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
I have owned and shot both a considerable amount. I prefer the Draw on the Guardian personally and would label it as Smooth. I have shot mostly an Allegiance the past few years with Speed mods. The Draw cycle on a bow is the last thing I consider when purchasing a new Bow, as long as it has a nice valley and anchors solid for me. 60# is 60# and your body/muscles soon become accustomed to variances in a draw cycle. Reasons I prefer the Guardian is the slightly longer A to A and the lack of noise and hand shock is Awesome. The Bow seems to be very forgiving which may be due to the deflex riser design. I mean it just will flat wad arrows very effortlessly.
Both are nice Bows!! The Guardian would just be my personal choice
Dan
I have owned and shot both a considerable amount. I prefer the Draw on the Guardian personally and would label it as Smooth. I have shot mostly an Allegiance the past few years with Speed mods. The Draw cycle on a bow is the last thing I consider when purchasing a new Bow, as long as it has a nice valley and anchors solid for me. 60# is 60# and your body/muscles soon become accustomed to variances in a draw cycle. Reasons I prefer the Guardian is the slightly longer A to A and the lack of noise and hand shock is Awesome. The Bow seems to be very forgiving which may be due to the deflex riser design. I mean it just will flat wad arrows very effortlessly.
Both are nice Bows!! The Guardian would just be my personal choice
Dan
01-31-2008, 11:32 AM
#6
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Indiana (southern)
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RE: gaurdian compared to the black ice
I also cannot make a direct comparison, I bought a Guardian last summer after shooting a Patriot for a few years. Mine has the smooth draw cams and my old bow was a single cam. I went up 10 pounds on draw weight and other than the valley being narrower it feels about the same as the Patriot. I shot several bows before deciding on the Guardian but no Diamonds, I really wanted a Hoyt but after shooting the Guardian, nothing else really compared to in as far as lack of hand shock and noise, at least it seemed that way to me.
01-31-2008, 11:43 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: gaurdian compared to the black ice
ORIGINAL: Tuco
Mine has the smooth draw cams and my old bow was a single cam. I went up 10 pounds on draw weight and other than the valley being narrower it feels about the same as the Patriot.
Mine has the smooth draw cams and my old bow was a single cam. I went up 10 pounds on draw weight and other than the valley being narrower it feels about the same as the Patriot.
Before it the Allegiance was my go to bow, and I shot it with the Speed mods. The Guardian is available only in the one mod no Speed or Smooth, but to me it is smoother than my Ally was with thespeed mods.Dan
01-31-2008, 12:09 PM
#8
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
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RE: gaurdian compared to the black ice
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
The Guardian is available only in the one mod no Speed or Smooth, but to me it is smoother than my Ally was with thespeed mods.
Dan
The Guardian is available only in the one mod no Speed or Smooth, but to me it is smoother than my Ally was with thespeed mods.
Dan
01-31-2008, 12:18 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: gaurdian compared to the black ice
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
On the Bowtech site for the 2008 guardian and commander (general too)they give the speed mod IBO speed. Do the 2008 models have smooth and speed mods?
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
The Guardian is available only in the one mod no Speed or Smooth, but to me it is smoother than my Ally was with thespeed mods.
Dan
The Guardian is available only in the one mod no Speed or Smooth, but to me it is smoother than my Ally was with thespeed mods.
Dan
Dan
01-31-2008, 12:25 PM
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Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
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RE: gaurdian compared to the black ice
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
Bruce, according to the last spec sheets I got the General has both smooth and speed mods, but the Commander and Guardian do not.
Dan
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
On the Bowtech site for the 2008 guardian and commander (general too)they give the speed mod IBO speed. Do the 2008 models have smooth and speed mods?
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
The Guardian is available only in the one mod no Speed or Smooth, but to me it is smoother than my Ally was with thespeed mods.
Dan
The Guardian is available only in the one mod no Speed or Smooth, but to me it is smoother than my Ally was with thespeed mods.
Dan
Dan
Speed MOD IBO: 310-318 fps "for the commander"
if they only had one type of module. Will they be coming out with smooth mods in the future? It is kind of confusing.