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ANYBODY HAVE ANY PREFERANCES ON EITHER. ANYBODY THINK THAT CAMO W/ EITHER INCLUDED IS BETTER OR IS THE LINER SYSTEM BETTER. I AM LOOKING AT THE SCENTBLOCKER SYSTEM BUT IT SEEMS EXPENSIVE...... ANYBODY?

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IMO ! I got over $300.00 invested in scent loc ! buy a nice light weight rain gear camo outfit it will be money well spent then.

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My money is in Scent lok, Scent blocker is good too. But here's the kicker our dryers have to reach something like 800 degrees too make the garment scent free. Mine cannot do that. But, spray some fall blend on the outside of the garment and it's good to go. These products do help, but of equal importance is the wind and scent control showers and scent control carrying bags, sorry for the run on sentence.

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Here's my approach. I'm all but done hunting this year and I never washed the stuff, only put it in the dryer when I thought it needed it. Nothing all season, hunting in different conditions and places every busted me while wearing it. Had deer feed very close to me for an hour and never once became alarmed, eye level even. Had three deer feeding under me at very last light. Removed my head covering and instantly they looked up.

Do I think it works? Yes. What does this test do for me? Plenty. It shows me it works and it takes a product that is supposed to be replace every 4-5 years (recommended 4-5 washings a year for a total of 20, the life of the garment) and if I wash it once a year I'll get 20 years. You do the math. I don't wear my scent lok unless I'm hunting and that means removing it when I get to the downed animal and packing it out. If nothing is killed, I'll keep it on till I'm out of the woods.

To tell the truth I don't care for the camo pattern. I also think movement plays a huge role in being busted.

I think the scent lok guy at AT deleted a post I made with these results. If he did I'll be buying the blocker from now on. I think they are the same, but I haven't tested them. I do wear their gloves.

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Save your money; just gimmicks.
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Actually I think it is 1300 degrees.

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Another scientist in the hunting community. If we could just get you guys together and solve some real problems in the world, hunters would never lack for respect.:DYou guys are wasting your talents.;)

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Just test it yourself.

I maybe able to narrow your need for the stuff down a bit. The environment and number of deer per square mile play a big role. One area I hunt is flat, some what open with small wood lots and the wind changes often. Some places it seems the wind comes from all directions. The herd size is 1 per square mile. To kill that 1 deer takes some doing and scent control has to be at it's highest form. If your a very good kiss a$$ you can get a shot at a group of them. If not and you hunt someplace else it could be weeks before you see one. I have hunted with and without the stuff. I recommend doing it with if, you want a shot and maybe your only one all year. I've killed that deer and every one's a trophy in my book.

If you hunt where the terrain is more broken up and the deer numbers are high you can get along without the stuff. I hunt there too, and it is often the reason many guys pooh pooh the stuff. Still I would, do wear mine there. It does help.

As far as the science goes, there are a whole lot of variables that are never spoken about that any real science would have to include. You can find many of them out for yourself. I've given 3 already.

As far as the dog thing goes, I own a bluetick/blood hound. A powerful nose on that beast. He smells more than the scent of the thing he's looking for and scent lok clothes have a carbon smell to them. No one ever said they were without a scent. That test is a, what's the word, oh ya, gimmick, it does help a person find the stuff sitting on the shelves at a reduced cost though.:D

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Let me start off by saying that I own 3 suits. 1- Scent Lok, 1 Scentblocker Ultra Lite and 1 Scentblocker Featherlight. Of the Suits that I own, I like the Scentblocker suits better by far. The Scent lok suit I have is just a basic poly cotton suit so it doesn't have alot of the different features of the others But of all that I have looked at at Cabelas, Gander Mtn. etc I just have always favored the Scentblocker brand.
About 5 or 6 years ago I started using the scent suits. Now, I am one of those scent control fanatics. I take every step possible to remain as scent free as possible ( although I know it is impossible to be scent free, but I try to acheive it as much as I can). I have always taken pride of being able to have deer very close to me without busting me. This is my 23rd year of bowhunting by the way.
I truly beleive that the scent suits do what they say they do. But in the past few years, the question that has bothered me was how long? Of course , like most of you guys, I started reading the posts on here and other forums and the different reports out there that kind os started shedding doubt on the life of the suits and the effectiveness of reactivation of the suits. Of course some of these posts were by people in the scientific feild, engineers etc. I really started to have my doubts.
Then I had something happen that really made my mind up for me.
I work as a Chemical handler at a manufacturing plant for a very large and well known corporation. I work alot in a seperate building by myself where all of our chemicals are stored. My boss is the Environmental Health and Saftey Coordinator for not just our plant but also a few others. Beleive me, this guy is brilliant. He really knows his stuff. Anyhow, this past summer he was over in the other building talkining to me and he saw one of my hunting magazines laying there. This guy is not a hunter and knows nothing about it. But he suddenly took an interst in the magazine. Then he pointed out why. It had an article about Scent suits, and he saw the term activated carbon, and got all excited!!:DHe asked me what it was all about. So I explained in great detail what the suits are, how they work, how you reactivate them etc. He asked me if I had one. I said I have 3 of them. Then he he said, "Well, I sure hope you didn't pay much for them." I then grabbed my Cabelas catalog out of my drawer and showed him the prices of the different suits, and he just laughed and said " Well, not to mean, but these guys are getting rich off of you guys ignorance of the use of activated carbon". Then he went on to tell me alot of stuff that confirmed my suspicions and that were exactly like the things that I had read. Now remember, this guy knows nothing about the hunting industry so he has no axe to grind against Scent Lok or Scent blocker. This stuff just came from a casual conversation and the fact he saw an article in my magazine. Here are a few things he told me. Abd also remember, this guy works with carbon for various water and air filtration systems in out plant and others, so again, he knows his stuff.
1. He said that the carbon will absorb the scent molecules just as advertised, but he estimated that the suit would probably be full in 10-12 hours of usage, depending on the amount of scent that each individual person emits.
#2. First of all, he said that there isn't a comercial dryer made that will get near the heat needed to reactivate the carbon. He also said that a temp of 12-1400 would be needed.
#3. He said that it was possible that the outer most layer of the carbon may be cleaned up with the release of the molecules, but would fill back up within the first hour of wearing the suit again.
#4. He also said that after repeated use and washings that the carbon particles could break apart.
He told me some other stuff about the carbon, but these items were what concerned me. He basically said that after 10-12 hours you were basically left with a regular camo suit, that cost you lots of $$$$$.
He said that the suits will actually do what the manufacturers advertise, but only for a short period, so there is no real way for them to get in any trouble for false advertising. They just don't give you the limitations involved.
After that, I decided that I would not spend more of my money on them. I actually was excited to go back to my good old Predator camo again. The way I saw it, and my buddies ( who also have the suits) agreed with me, was that all those years before I used the scent suits, I was still just as close to just as many deer as after wearing them. I killed deer at close range without them just as I did before.
This year I went back to my Predator. I do wear the X-Scent stuff underneath. I take all the steps that I always have. Guess what. I had deer after deer around me, lots of them within spitting distance. On Nov. 17th, I killed a really nice 9 pt. at 14 yards downwind of me. So from now on, I will just keep doing what I do every year, keep taking nice deer, and use the scent suit money to buy more ladder stand ( like I really need more of those) and other gear.
Beleive me, I am no scientist, and I didn't play one on TV last night!!:DBut the guy from work is, and a brilliant one at that. What he said made up my mind for me.
I beleive that if you use the suits and like them, and have the utmost confidence in them, that is great. I will never slam you or ridicule you for using something you like. I jsut know that for me, I have decided to put them away and go back to my old way, because it works for me, and it is alot cheaper!

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I don't own a scent suit and most likely never will. To me, its a gimmick and I have better things to spend my money on.Before season I wash all clothing in scent killer andair dry on the clothes line for a few days. Its then placed in a scent tight containers. I take a scent killer shower before I dress in the mornnig. I hunt a lot and wash my undergarments about every two weeks during season. I don't put my outers on until I get out of the truck and dress on the tailgate before heading in. I use scent killer to spray myself down before leaving the truck as well.

Now, here's the kicker. I chew snuff on stand and spit on the ground. I have had numerous deer come right under my stand and I know they smelled the stuff. Never once spooked. I also just spray my boots with racoon urine before heading out. I can honestly say in my 12 years of bowhunting so far, have never had a deer come across where I walked and became alarmed.

In my opinion its not about scent being in the area, its the amount of scent that spooks or alarms them. Think about it. All year long deer smell human scent in one way or another. Whether its drifting from a nearby house or camp, farmers tending to their business, hikers, bikers etc, deer learn to differentiate whether or not there is enough scent to believe a human is nearby. Keeping this scent to a low level usually does the trick.

I guess I'm saying the scent lok and the such will help. But why spend the money? Its already been proven that the claims of reactivation is false. And the suits will usually be pretty much worthless in a few years because you can "regenerate" the carbon like they state.

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Like I said, where and how many deer there are is a determining factor in it's usefulness. As far as hunting being cheap/inexpensive, yea. There is no such thing in hunting. All good camo is expensive.

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Ilayer undermy bug net camo with the leaves sown on it,washin water no soap,use scent blocker deoderant,and spray my camo and boots with scent blocker .Last thanksgiving day,I saw 2 deer under a fallen white oak(feeding of course) they saw me first and ran,I hunkered down just past the oak off the trail,thinking they might return down the same trail.10 minutes later a doe came down the trail just as I thaught and slowly walked right up to me,I mean 2-3 feet away from me,I could hear her breathing and she never did see me or smell me,there was no wind to speak of,she passed and 5 minutes later a shooter 8 pointer came down the same trail turned broadside 45 yards away and looked behind him so I took the shot and harvested him with my bowtech old glory.I agree that the expensive suits are a rip off gimick.

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THANKS FOR THE INPUT GUYS, I DON'T THINK I'LL BE PURCHASING ANY SUITS THIS YEAR.......BUT I DO HEAR THAT THE X-SCENT LINER IS GREAT BECAUSE OF NEVER HAVING TO REACTIVATE........

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I have three suites and then read this article,All three are going on ebay.GO to WWW.TRMICHELS.COM you will see part way down the page the article on carbon suites.

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I don't care for the guy myself and have had some conversations with him recently. Just got the feeling he was trying to sell something. He is and was. Just saw he's selling a book. He's also apromoter of the competetions products.

2 things he's talked about recently and claims to be the utmost authority on, carbon clothes and moon phases. 2 things that are hard to prove either way for most guys and he puts in a kicker, he has Gods backing. :eek:I hear harp music. Who's playing the harps? TRMICHELS (even has a tv preachers ring to it) or scent lok-block, or both. I'll do my own thinking.

To bad your selling them on ebay. Not suprising though. Have you seen the ebay thread in the bowhunting forum?

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Forget the wind and hunt! he he he....

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I use Scentblocker. Better protection. Only the deer know if they really work but I am confident in the product because I never get busted.

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Hey guys, I might actually be interested in some of that no-account scent holding clothing that you want to get rid of. Of course since it's not any good, I'm sure you would sell it really cheap. You wouldn't want to sell that stuff to an unsuspecting hunter that actually believes that it might actually work to some degree. Why, that might be dishonest or unethical. I need pants withwaist of 30-31 and shirts/tops/jackets in the Med-Large size. Send me some pictures and/or descriptions of that no good stuff and be sure to quote the measly amount that you would want for it (I'm sure shipping would be more than the garments but be sure to quote that too zip 73521). I know that there are lots of hunters out there wanting to unload this stuff cheap so I'll try to get to the many emails as soon as I can. Thanks

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i would go with scent blocker...check ebay....they seem to carry more grams of carbon per square inch then does scent lok to give you a longer lasting suit.....not going to get into whether or not it actually works cause everyone is a scientist.....just throw in my twocents and say i would buy scent blocker before scent lok.......X-scent technology in my opinion does not work to what the product says it is suppose toand when i put it to the test if failed...just my other two cents..

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I have some swamp land in Florida if anyone is interested?

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I hate to tell you but here that's a good thing.:D

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I can tell you from first hand knowledge that Scent-Lok is more effective.
I am a Scent-Lok distributor and know from testing that Scent-Lok's amount ofadsorbancy is greater in terms of time between reactivations and the type of carbon used.
Keep in mind that Scent-Lok liscenses ScentBlocker.
I have been wearing Scent-Lok for 10 years and never been busted.No kidding. I never worry about swirling winds.
I have both systems and use both in addition to the BaseSlayers. the camo duds are more convienent but if you already have a bucket of camo start with the liner. AND WEAR THE HEADCOVER...OR YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT WEAR IT AT ALL.
Also make sure when you activate your suit that you wipe out the clothes dryer w/ a scent killer and clean out the lint screen before hand. Store the suit in a scent-lok duffel or storage bag and place that in a plastic bag. If you don't the Scent-Lok will adsorb any airborn odor and use up the available carbon. This will make it necessary to reactivate sooner.
You will never know if the suit is not effective til you get busted and that's the wrong time.
I will be glad to answer any questions on use any time.

I'm not saying Scent blocker in no good ...I just know HOW good Scent-Lok is.
Once you try it it will change the way you hunt...guaranteed.

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Hey, I see suggested to spray a suit with fall blend.
THATS A BIG NO-NO. The suit will suck up the scent and use the available carbon.

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Wear what you want, if a deer is down-wind of you're scent, it will smell you. Anyone who says different either doesn't know when they are being winded, are lying, or don't hunt much. Depending on where you are hunting (pressure related), the deer will act differently.

If there was a way that I could be 100% scent-free, believe me, I'd be using it, and killing way more big bucks because of it!

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i wonder what debate will go down in history as the most argued, the best bow or scentlok versus scentblocker? nomatter what you choose nothing keeps you 100% scent free, i use scentlok personally because the garments are more durable and last longer but you still need to mind the weather, hunt the wind first and mask your scent with whatever you can and remember when using any scent control clothing you need to layer them to be most effective

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No, You may never be 100% scent-free. your boots, fanny pack ,bow and everything else you use needs to be considered. I can only tell you what I have expierenced over the last 10 years and thousands of hours in a stand. If you wear the headcover,don't contaminate the suit or wear it in the truck on the way to your spot,( dress after u get there.)wear scent-lok gloves too , you won't get busted. Period.I see scent killer ads saying they kill 99% of all REPLICATED human odor , and I use Scent Killer on my boots and equipment but how can a spray of ANY kind penetrate every fiber of all your clothing?
I'm not telling you you won't kill deer if you don't use a Scent-Lok suit, that would be just stupid. But I can tell you before I used them I got busted ,and I was very careful about my scent and the wind.
I will say this...Many of the major retailers offer a 90 return policy. Get a suit and try it and if you aren't convinced return it.
Just follow my activation and storage procedures and make up your own mind.

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"You won't get busted, period"..... I could tag 2 or 3 B&C's a year if that were the case!

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If u have that class of bucks maybe u could.
They have to be up and walking around during shooting light.
Don't knock it until u try it.

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That many and more deer bust you? The suit may not help.

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NO.. I don't ever believe that someone can be 100% scent free. Nearly impossible!

BUT.. doesn't it make more sense to eliminate as much scent as possible than just to mask it?

Assuming someone hunts the right winds (which I do 100% of the time) it just seems to make better sense to eliminate as much scent as you can. Otherwise your just covering up your scent with another.. mature bucks are nearly never fooled. And since I have done this (used no scent products with good winds) I HAVE seen more mature bucks and ALOT more coyotes within the past 2 seasons. (I use the coyote as an example, since I consider them to be more efficient even than whitetail at using the wind!)

I only wish the no-scent products came in better camo patterns..!!:D

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You make an excellent statement about covering your scent with another.
A whitetail can detect about 10 seperate odors at one time. So cover scents just add to the human odor.
I do everything the same as any other scent conscious hunter does and that includes showering w/ scent killer soap prior to the hunt, spraying my boots,bow,pack and the rest of my equipment w/ scent killer. I try to get every advantage I can and the Scent-Lok suit adds to the regement.
It may be the difference between that buck coming in from downwind when I rattle to him. The point is, you may never know if a buck picks you off from downwind , Scent-Lok suit or not, but its added insurance I won't go without. I've had numerous bucks down wind that never reacted in the least ,once in my scent stream. so again I say...Don't knock it until you try it.

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I have both a Scent-Lok liner suit and a ScentBlocker jacket and pants suit. I can't say which one works better because they are both great products. As far as hats and gloves, I have found that ScentBlocker has the best products out there. The big thing that I do is during the colder hunts is I layer w/ Scent-Lok liner and use the ScentBlocker Pants and Parka for my outer layer along w/ the ScentBlocker gloves and hat w/ head mask. Since using both of these products, I have had several closer encounters w/ large bucks and deer in general. The deer come downwind and have no clue that I'm there. I am also very particular about keeping my clothes as scent free as possible. I seal all my stuff up in toats, I dress in the field, I spray down liberally w/ Scent Killer, I wash my under garments and liner suit frequently, I also shower before my hunts w/ Scent Killer soap/shampoo. I have found since using these steps along w/ my ScentBlocker and Scent-Lok gear that I have become even more successful in the woods. The biggest thing that I can recommend is check out the camo and material options between the two and go with what best suits your needs.