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any good or what?I have never herd anything on them and im thinking of give'n um a shot.

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Great broadhead.

Comes in both 1 1/4" and 1 3/4" for different bow/energy setups.

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http://www.broadheadtests.com/NEWHEADS.html

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Jakhammers ROCK! You hit them where you are supposed to and they will leave a very short and wide blood trail. Check out the below links to see actual blood trails from a couple does I killed this past season.


http://www.huntingnet.com/fieldjournal/fieldjournal_detail.aspx?nID=225

http://www.huntingnet.com/fieldjournal/fieldjournal_detail.aspx?nID=263

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I have taken one deer and one 70 pound pig with them, everything went off with out a hitch, like someone else said very short wide blood trail.

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I shot my turkey with a jak-hammer this last spring. He only got about 30 yards from impact, and was done. The head left a BIG exit hole!!

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Great accurate broadhead!

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JUNK! Don't use it. Any expandable that has to flip all the way back like that, with the blades in frontal fold positon like that are crap (in my opinion). I used it, hit a buck in the shoulder at 20 yards. Got about 2inches penetration and he wasn't killed. Wounded him, seen him two days later limping around. Good thing he lived but these broad heads are dangerous when hiting bone. Im sure they work fine when the shot is straight in. But at angles i don't trust these heads because those blades have to flip all the way back.

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Got to love a "this broadhead is junk" story that starts with "I hit him in the shoulder"...... So what broadheads do you recommend for bad shots again?

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Loner Wolf,

Why would you come on here and say someting so nieve. My point was that I hit a deer in the shoulder and I got zero penetration. I think we all know that you could use the crapiest broad head on the market and kill a deer no problem when hit in the perfect spot. My point was a good broadhead covers all the things that could happen, like hitting bone. I had a bad experiencewith the Jack-hamer andIve heard plenty more form others with penetration problems with thesame head. If we all hit our deerperfectlylikeyoutherewould be no discussion about broad heads.

"Loner Wolf" If you knew anything aboutbowhunting you would know things don't goas planned all the time.Ya don't have to be aF##$$ andcome on heretry to belittle people. Maybethats why your name is"loner wolf" because knowone can stand to by around you

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I've killed about 12 deer with jackhammers.At firstI thought they wereone of the best inventions.However,I soon realized that Icracked ferules almost everytime,either losing blades or having them just hangingthere by a thread.Penetration usually wasn't an issue because I shoot way more than enough KE.My opinion changed in 2004.I shot a nice 9 point at 18yards the first week of october.The shot looked good at first but when he turned to run,I saw almost the whole arrow sticking out of him.I left him go over night and the next morning I found my arrow broken off at the insert without a drop of blood on the arrow.I won't make any excuse for the shot but 1 inch of penetration isunexceptable with my set-up.The story has a happy ending though.I bought a pack of slick tricks that year and used them for the rest of the season.On the last thursday of our season,5 weeks later,I rattled in and killed that same buck with a slicktrick.He has a slight limp but he came in looking for a fight.

I blame the shot more than the broadhead but I have no doubt thatI would have killed that buck with a good fixed blade.A shoulder shot is bad but I've penetrated them 3 other times and killed the deer.That isn't even what bothers me the most.A bad shot is a bad shot but broken blades are inexcusable in my book.Since that year,I've killed 11 deer with slicktricks and never had a deer run out of sight and I never damaged a broadhead.I have a collection of jackhammers and Rockets that have gone through deer.Almost all of themare severly damaged.i'd be more than glad to mail someone a picture to post.

I just see no use for any wide mechanical.Anysharp broadhead will kill a deer in short order if hit well.From my experience a 4 blade fixed head will cause every bit as much damage as a wider 3 blade mechanical.A mechanical may have a slight edge with a gut shot but they lose out when you hit heavy bone.So what really do you gain?

Inever lost a deer for good withany broadhead.However,I just don't see any advantage to a mechanical what so ever.I agree they work if you put them in the right place but so does any head.I just fail to see what you gain.

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I'd comment, but I obviously know nothing about bow hunting. Sorry for wasting everyone's time with this topic, and every-other-topic I've ever written. Maybe I'll just start gun hunting..........

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Gentleman, I never use a broadhead more than once whether its a mechanical or a fixed. I save the arrow and broadheads rather than hang a critters head on the wall. Maybe thats why I think they are so great.

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I came back to this thread to spout off that we are not here to bash anything or any person. If there is something about a product I believe we shouldn't use expressions that end up insulting or bashing. That neither contributes nor does it look good. I only serves to hurt and is uncalled for. Having said that I am neither insulted nor am I convinced that mechanicals are "junk". I do however understand that the wasp mechanicals are weak in the way the blades hinge.

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Exactly,so why use them?Eventually you'll most likely experience a blade failure.With so many much more reliable fixed heads on the market,why take that chance?

I'm not bashing anything or anybody.I'm simply stating my experience with jackhammers.

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Thats all I was trying to do, give an example on how the head failed for me. P3fe was asking about them and I gave my experience with them. I think they are a week head. NOt expandables in general, just this head in particular.

I apologize if I got a little out of hand with "Loner Wolf". Ive read his articles on this site and know that he has a buisness with stands and respected him for what he was doing. But for him to come on here and try to belittle me is disrespectful. Expecially when all Im trying to do was help someone out. You think he would be more respectful being a staffer of this site and owning a buisness in which he wants to make a (good) name for himself.

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tschammel the Lone Wolf brings up a good point though. Doesnt matter what ur shooting if you shoot them in the shoulder your not going to kill them. So to go ranting and raving on him for no reason was unfair. You say it got out of hand yet you still continue to call him LONER wolf istead of his proper name.

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Ive shot plenty of deer with fixed blades that have went through the shoulder like butter. Like a slick trick, shot two deer that had pass throughs going through the shoulder on the exit. It does matter what head your using when hitting the shoulder. These heads that have to flip all the way back when gong through bone are not going to get the penetration needed.

I don't think I ranted and raved for no reason though, but I didtake it a little to far. I apologize.

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tschammel,

I wasn't meaning to attack you personally, so I appologize for frasing it the way I did.

This is only about the one hundredth time I've heard similar comments about heads failing on "poor" shots. You hit bone, you're screwed plain and simple! Yeah, you may have a chance to get penetrate a few inches, but you are shooting a head with a 1-3/4" cutting diameter? It's physics man, you ain't pushing that through bone!

I've had blades shear-off on fixed heads on kills, is that too also considered a failure?

Of all the animals I've killed with the jakhammers, I've only bent the blades a couple times by hitting the opposite side shoulders on hard quartering shots. The blades did not break, as they are .036" thick, which is the thickest on the market I believe. They just fold back slightly and continue to cut. I've never broken a furrel. I'd estimate that I've killed about 11 or 12 animals with my Jaks in the last 4 or 5 years?

Couple weeks ago, we did our own little broadhead test in a buddies back yard. We shot about a half-dozen heads into 1/8" Cold Rolled Steel, just to see the results. The Jak pentrated through the plate with no failure of the furrel. We also tested a Rocket, and the thing essentially crumbled on impact. I've got the entire test on Video, so you may actually see it at some point.

I've had nothing but excellent results with my Jaks. Never had a bad shot with them though, so I can't comment about that. All I know is that it's July 21st, and it's almost time to start the shooting regiment again. Shooting everyday before the season is what I have found to be the deadliest thing a hunter can do. Just wish more guys felt the way I do!

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I'm not trying to be argumentative but my experiences have been much different.I destroyed the jackhammers more than 50% of the time.That's simply unexceptable in my opinion so I have no confidence in them.I never experience a failure with the whole blade.The failures always occured where they where connected to the ferule.That's the problem with mechanicals.Regardless of how thick they are,they only connect in one spot,generally with a ring or small screw,which compromizes durability.You're point about a 1 3/4 inch broadhead is 100% correct.That can happen on occasion so why take the chance.I've busted the shoulder on more than one occasion with muzzy's,wasp bullets and slicktricks and killed the deer.Most of those instances where with the opposite shoulder though.I guess I just don't see the need for such a wide cut.A hit the through the vitals with any broadhead almost always means a deer falling within a sight or at least ear shot.

I'm not bashing your choice.In my experience,big mechanicals have no practicle advantage over a quality fixed head.I think if you use them long enough,you'll experience a negative situation.I'd be glad to mail you a picture of my collection of busted up Jackhammers.There's some rocket steelheads in there as well that are totally worthless in my opinion.

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Lone Wolf,

I feel the same as you do, practice is key. Ive been hunting since I was 12 and am now 27. I shoot my bow all year around and come August shoot it in the back yard every night I can. Ive shot my plenty of deer, two every year since then. And over those 15 years of hunting things don't always go as planned. I've learned over those years that I just can't trust expandables. Ive also learned that you have to limit things that could possibley go wrong and this is one the things that I have eliminated.For example two years ago I started usingthe Tyken II. I shot a doe with it at 15 yards and it didn't open at all.I shot her through the heart so she only went 40yards, But with no blood trail at all.When I gutter her it looked like you shot through the heart with a 22 caliber. What if I would have one lunged her she could have went for a while with no blood trail. Or worse yet what if it wasa big boy that Ive spent allyear going after.I've since moved to slick tricks and theyfly just like a field tip!Plus like I said have wentthrough two shoulders on my last two deer on the exit wound.

From my experience with the Jack Hammers my (opinion) is that they are junk. Not for just one experience but from others. Ive seen the head completely shattered for hitting bone.I really hopethis head doesn'tcostyou abig deer down in Iowa.Shoot a slick trick into a cinder block, it won'teven fold over the tip. Like we've said any head works great though the bread andbutter spot, but not even youcan garantee that thats going tohappen every time, be realistic.

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Everyone is entitled to they're own opinion. I'm telling you about my experiences, and you have obviously had other experiences than myself. I've only broken a furrel on a Jak once, and that was when I missed a ground hog, hit a log with a blade, and essentially "peeled" the back of the furrel open. But it was still not damaged beyond function (if it was travelling through an animal). I've now been using them for like 5 or 6 years, have shot many animals, and spent many hours in the back yard running them through my own cycle tests, in-order to feel confident using them.

I'm an engineer and designer by trade. I only use the products that make sense from the design standpoint, and products I've tested myself, in my own back-yard. I must feel confident if I'm to use them in the field. I've shot a half-dozen brands of mechanicals, and the Jak's have FAR outperformed all of them (if they didn't, I wouldn't be using them). Half the brands of mechanicals won't hold up after a few shots into a block target or dirt, let-alone into a hard bone! In-fact, I've had different heads shear (2) blades on the first shot into a block target. Now that's quality! Of the last 4 or 5 bucks I've killed only one was perfectly broadside. The rest of the shots were hard quartering and I hit the opposite side leg each time, either breaking the leg or bending the blade back. Never once, out of all of these hits has the head failed. I could have simply replaced the blades, and kept using them. I'm using the bucks as examples because some of them dressed close to 250 lbs., and were about a "worst case" in-regard to tough bodies. The buck I killed last year had a massive body, and only made it about 40 yards before piling up, in pouring down-rain, sleet, and snow. The date, November 15th, I'm sure many of you can remember the weather on that day last year. You-bet I want them to die fast, I wouldn't have wanted to try to track that buck if he made it 100 yards, you should have seen the creek bottom he would have gone into!

Why do I like the wide cut? Well, in my opinion, if I get a bad shot, and hit bone it doesn't matter what's screwed into the end of my arrow. However, if I get a shot into flesh (outside of the chest), I want to cause maximum damage from point A to point B. The extra cutting diameter could be the difference between hitting an artery, liver, spinal cord, etc.... I also enjoy killing deer fast, and laying down a trail a blind-man could follow. If that's wrong, I don't want to be right!

They're are several guys each year who tell me "just wait until something happens" in-regard to "mechanical failure". Well, most of these guys wound deer every-year with they're fixed heads, so I kind-of just turn my head and do my own thing as my record speaks for itself. Then again, I'll shoot a few thousand arrows between now and October, and probably another thousand during the season; everyday, before heading into the field. Accuracy is KING, and some people will just never get it! This isn't directed at any "one" person here.

That is my primary reason for shooting a mechanical head in the first place, it surely isn't because I like the idea of adding complexity into anything, as I insist on simplicity in every-other-aspect of my hunting equipment. As soon as someone invents a simpler way to get consistent accuracy, that causes the same type of damage, I'll be using it.

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Actually, we did shoot a slick-trick into the 1/8" Cold Rolled Plate 2 weeks ago, as well as a Jakhammer. Slick tricks tip bent-in, and didn't penetrate as deeply into the plate as the Jakhammer, using the same bow, same arrow, etc.... I have the entire test on-video to prove it......

This will be my last post on this topic. Over the years I've learned these discussions never really go anywhere, so I'll leave it at that.

We all have our own way of doing things, whatever kills em dead is the point! Different paths to that point, so-long as you reach it, that's the key!

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Well i know i will be useing the jackhammers when season rolls around again, of the 4 deer i have killed while useing them not one has gone over 80 yards. I shot thunder heads for 18 years with no complaints but where i feel the jack has a advantage over a fixed blade is when you make a bad shot and everyone does at some point i want that big cutting head. As far as the shoulder blade when i was younger i was shooting 80lbs bows and i have to admitt i only made it through one shoulder blade i ever hit. Now before you go thinking i must not be able to shoot i have over 80 bow kills on deer and shoot year round my self... Walt

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This thread is going no where fast, I admit. But I just want to point out that from an engineer point of view it should be obvious that any expandable that has the blades in the frontal possition that have to catch hide and flip all the way back to its cutting capacity has to slow down penetration.

LoneWolf is right though. Expadables are greatbecuase they fly like a field tip andthis particular headgives a great cutting diameter. I shot expandables for years and loved them untiltheyalmost cost me a couple of deer.My dad had a bad experience before I did and tried to get me to switch back to a durable fixed blade but I was too stuborne becasueI didn't have a problem with them. I hope it doesn't take some of you a wounded deer or a expandable not opening or not penetrating well to reconsider. Why not shoot agood fixed blade like a muzzy, slick trick orstinger and get field point accuracy and not have to wory about contact with bone or quartering away angels. Not to mention good penetration andHuge Holes.

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There's no reason for not getting the same pin-point accuracy with fixed heads.The only time I ever had a double lung shot deer travel more than 80 yards ,I was using a steelhead and two blades completely sheared off.That deer went about 200 yards.

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i used that damn jak-hammeron one deer that ishot at 20 yards quardering away hard. the arrow impacted far enough back to go threw the guts, one lunged it, then cut the heart in half. the doe ran120 yards before she fell in the open field where i was hunting. i get down and look for blood and nothing. not a single drop the entire path of the deer. once i dressed her out i realized that the blades didn't open util the broadhead had penetraded 6-8 inches. Had i shot her in a swamp where i usually hunt i would have never found her. had that been the buck of my dreams i would have sued that damn company for lack of sleep and moderate to severe depression!
i just don't understand why people continue to use expandable blade broadheads when one can achieve excelant arrow flight w/ many of the fixed blade broadheads on the market. those such as wacum, slick-tricks, muzzy, and the magnus stinger are all supiour in strength & durablity and maybe not in cold forged steel, but on real creatures their penetration can not even be compared to a fixed blade. I shot another doe last year w/ amagnus stingerat thirty yards. ishoot 70pounds; i was aiming right behind the shoulder and missed 2" right and endedup going threw both shoulders and my arrow still stuck8" into the ground. the deer looked at me and, i swear togod, winked and took her last breath.
do yourself a favor boys, don't let others failure allow you to fail too. stand up for yourself, shoot everyday, scout smart, and use fixed blade broadheads to bring those beutiful creatures to their greener pastures and hot grills of america!!

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Wow Waltwittman has a little bit of Nuggent in him. He's right though, the mystical flight of the arrow isclearly more mysticalentering the brown beast with a fixed blade.