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Len,

Do you use any type of uni bushing in the nock end? If so, what type/size?

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gibblet:

The difference between is; XP = .001 Std = .005 or .006
I'm at home so I don't have the catalog in front of me.;)

Antler Eater:

Rhinos are heavier and more durable than the Whitetails. However, I've not received any complaints about the durability of the Whitetails like you've described. I've only been selling them for a year, so there may have been a problem with earlier production.

I have received complaints about durability of another company's products. I've stopped selling them and advised the Rep. I'm awaiting a response and new samplesfrom that company. What I've found over time is that reliability, durability, spine and straightness will change from year to year with certain companies.

Just last year there was one company's product that I found to be horrible for straightness/yield. I checked this issue with some samples given to me by their Rep just yesterday and was delightfully surprised at the turn-around. These are reasons why I keep my mouth shut about a lot of problems I find with established companies' products.

Yes, it's good to let them know where problems exist and it's also good to give them time to correct the problems. If they don't get the problems corrected in a reasonable amount of time, they loose.;)

Dave:

Yes, I use a newer style of unibushing with the G-Nocks. I wouldn't build a set of personal arrows without this procedure.:)

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Len,

Excellent info. Thanks!

What is the newer style/size of unibushing that would fit the Whitetail XP's? I don't like shooting carbons without a unibushing. I don't know why more aren't made with them installed.

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Dave:

There's a newer one that fits tighter than the 3-60s. I'm at home and don't have the correct nomenclature available. I'll have to get back to you on this one.

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so, are you saying everyone could be correct with their personal experiences depending on when the arrows were purchased? that just takes all the fun out of arguing with mildot. (but it makes a lot of sense)

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Thanks, Len, I would appreciate that. Any chance you are thinking of the new CB unibushings?

Dave

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The straightness of the xp is .001
The straightness of the standard is .005

Carbon Tech sells the McKinney nock adapter for use with the McKinney nocks.I might have to get a set of these for my Whitetail XP's.

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Len,

As I’m reading I find that you touched on every comment except wall thickness as compared to strength. Can you please educate me in this area? This is my experience:

I have been in a line of work where a small part of my job was to make composite repairs and that experience has also been involved with flight control surfaces on corporate jets. We add a layer, then add the resin/3M 9309 adhesive. Add another layer and more resin, etc. After the repair is done we hook up a vacuum system to the repaired area to suck down all the layers and to remove any air gaps/delamination pockets for pure strength. What I have learned is that the more layers the stronger the repair. If you don’t add multiple layers of glass/carbon fiber and try and fill the void/contour with just the resin/3M 9309, all you get is a good looking repair, but one that is brittle.

Now when I study arrow wall thickness, it appears that my Carbon Tech Manual shows that the stiffer spine arrows have more layers. As an example comparing apples to apples in spine: Your Rhinos at .300 spine should have 7 layers. My Whitetails at .300 spine should have 6 layers. Your .300 spine Rhino wall thickness is around .069 and mine should be around .059. Your Rhinos are stronger than my Whitetails due to the increase in wall thickness, right? As you go down in spine strength, the layers are less, thus a weaker spine. Their lighter spined target arrows only have 4-5 layers, thus a thinner wall diameter. On the other hand, every layer added makes the wall thickness greater, therefore stronger in my mind. How is it that I have been told that wall thickness has nothing to do with strength when it appears they go hand in hand? My motives for this question are not to attempt to drive my wonderful debater to his knees; I’m looking to understand something that I already thought I had figured out.[:@]

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Dave:

Yes, it's the CB nock adapters. Thank you.

MilDotMaster:

The addition of layers (layering) can and will make for a stronger arrow. The thickness of the layers is a contributing factor in the diameter and the spine. Some companies will add extra layers and then put the arrow through a 'sanding' process to enhance straightness. It all depends on the processes used by the independent manufacturers.

I know that the vacuum process that you discuss is used heavily in theprocessing of resins in the military/PC Board industry. I'm not sure it's used in the arrow manufacturing industry. Someone else may have first-hand knowledge of this. The removal of airfrom the product, just like in the concrete business, makes for a stronger end product.

I don't know if we want to get into a 'right or wrong' confrontation with other forum members. I believe, just as I share limited information with others, that we all stand to gain by sharing some knowledge. When I say "limited information", I must draw the line so as not to interfere with my fellow shop owners to make a living at their profession. I know most understand this about me. Some, however, expect me to disclose all. NOT!;):D:)

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Len,

Thank you. I appreciate it.

Dave